Cavalier vs s14?

[komete]

A friend and I are going to do a little racing against one another on a streight road behind an Office building on the weekend. The spot is compleatly deserted on teh weekend and hidden from the main road. We should be able to hit about 90 or so before having to slow down. My question is what car do you think will win..

Both are auto 4cl.. his is 140hp and mine is stock so around 155.. I'll be getting a new muffler next week so hopfully that will add a few more ponies. Don't know if I'll be able to get the short ram air intake intime for the race. Not sure of teh exact weight but I think his si a little lighter.

So drivers being the same who will win?

[Ramius83]

S14.........

[Bruno240]

i would say s14 also.

but then again, driver is a lot of it too, for two cars that are rsomewhat equal.

[komete]

Any tips?

[1991S13]

Driver doesn't come in to play as much when they are both driving automatics...

Im going with S14 too. I beat a Z24 Cavy in my S13 - the only mods we both had were intake and exhaust.

[D1SR240]

S14

[yessir240]

if you cant beat TEH cavy you are TEH suck TEH new muffler is TEH word whatTEH kind, Yea TEH new muff muff will add atleast 20 hp and give you teh nos, now get to TEH racing...................................WHAT THE HELL IS TEH??????????????????????????????????

[komete]

You're too funny man.

[ON3_T1M3]

S14 unless for some reason you power output is way down from stock, at stop lights i've never lost to a cav......did lose to a civic once, it was turboed made 200+ hps, i found out when he shifted into 2nd and heard his blow off lol

[Vkoslak]

140hp? must be a early 90's model with the v6. That also means it only has 3 gears, so they are very tall gears. You should win without even trying.

If its a newer model cavalier, they had 150hp and 4 gears with the auto. also much lighter, dohc 2.4l. that would be more evenly matched. that cavalier tends to run out of steam up top.

Ive owned both kinds before I could afford something I really liked.

[xekushnr]

getting just a muffler is going to do nothing but change the noise that comes out the *** end. that said, i think you should be able to pull at least a half car on him.

[naed240sx]

Damn, im gonna be really dissapointed in you if you dont win. An s14 vs a crappy 4-cyl american pos shouldnt even be close. My car is nearly stock and ive pulled on mustangs

[ETTInnov04]

+1 S14

[Riceless]

if you cant beat TEH cavy you are TEH suck TEH new muffler is TEH word whatTEH kind, Yea TEH new muff muff will add atleast 20 hp and give you teh nos, now get to TEH racing...................................WHAT THE HELL IS TEH??????????????????????????????????

LOL!

Please don't put a muffler on an auto. The car will never be FAST naturally aspirated/auto, so don't give us nissan owners a bad (worse) name. If you must do something maybe a drop-in air filter, Z32 fuel filter and a good set of plugs and wires. Then manual swap, then turbo, THEN full exhaust. I'm sure you are on a budget, but anything else is a waste. I don't mean to flame, just saying it like it is.

You should beat him regardless.

[InsanityInc]

LOL!

Please don't put a muffler on an auto. The car will never be FAST naturally aspirated/auto, so don't give us nissan owners a bad (worse) name. If you must do something maybe a drop-in air filter, Z32 fuel filter and a good set of plugs and wires. Then manual swap, then turbo, THEN full exhaust. I'm sure you are on a budget, but anything else is a waste. I don't mean to flame, just saying it like it is.

You should beat him regardless.

Your name is ironic considering you think that "good plugs and wires" are a useful modification.

[Riceless]

****ty ignition will screw you over. Good luck going anywhere with old wires and antique plugs.

[Sil40_Mayhem]

Having owned both an S13 and a Crapalier (excuse me, "Cavalier") I can only say that there should be S14 ownage all day, all night, and twice as much on Sundays. Try not to hurt him too badly.

[yessir240]

I think that plugs and wires are a useful mod.

[jt15833]

ya $8 dollar plugs and $30 dollar wires can do quite a bit for a motor that has been deprived of good ones... anyway, how are you going to launch? hold brake and gas and let go of brake?

[grimple1]

stock for stock.. Srt-4, hands down. But, you better watch your arse with a decked out Ecotec. Lisa Kubo, anyone?

As for the RS camaro.. they're jokes. v6 in that heavy car? LS1 camaro is another story.

You see, the thing that Chevy, Ford, Mopar people have (that is still somewhat lacking in the import scene) is that they have tried, tested and true results. The import crowd is working with more variables (ie.. constantly changing engines, transmissions, suspension) Many of the same parts first used in the 70's are still being used today on American Cars (for better or for worse). You're lucky to have the same motor for more than 4 years in the import scene.

Don't believe me? Lets do a test. We'll take automatic transmissions for example, here's the Level Ten Transmission page for the 93 and up Camaro/Firebirds.

http://www.levelten.com/store/...P.htm

Now here's the Honda List:http://www.levelten.com/store/...c.htm

just my thoughts on it all.

[InsanityInc]

****ty ignition will screw you over. Good luck going anywhere with old wires and antique plugs.

OE replacement plugs and wires are just fine. You don't need some ridiculous $200 plug wires and uber platinum iridium x4 plugs of doom!

[GEO]

LOL!

Please don't put a muffler on an auto. The car will never be FAST naturally aspirated/auto, so don't give us nissan owners a bad (worse) name. If you must do something maybe a drop-in air filter, Z32 fuel filter and a good set of plugs and wires. Then manual swap, then turbo, THEN full exhaust. I'm sure you are on a budget, but anything else is a waste. I don't mean to flame, just saying it like it is.

You should beat him regardless.

Your seriously stupid if you think an auto can't be fast.

[grimple1]

autos can be quick if they can hold up to the hp/torque. the 240 auto is almost not researched. I think Ivan at PHAT-K is the only one doing anything remotely close.. and he's using a Z32 auto.

Not to get into the whole manual vs auto debate but autos are more consistent.

[komete]

Well the guy I'm racing is a good friend of mine. We compeat in a lot of things. We are both married with the expenses of a home and all that goes a long with it. I would love one day to do an auto to manual swap but the only way I could ever do one is if I bought my wife an auto 240. She likes to drive it too much.

I don't see what the big deal is about me swapping out the muffler. It's my hard earned money It's not like it's going to sound like a honda. Less restrictive exhaust equals a few more horses right?

MY upgrade path is muffler, air intake, z32 fuel filter, headers, test pipe, and sometime after xmas new camshafts.. then I'll start working on rims, suspension and paint.

BTW the car has new plugs, wires, cap and roter, fuel filter, air filter, has been seaphomed to death, transmission fluid change, and cooling changed. Oh and a new water pump.

All in all It's driving just as good if not better than when I got it back in 96.

[komete]

how are you going to launch? hold brake and gas and let go of brake?

That's exactly what I was thinking about doing. I tried it at a few red lights today on the way back from work. It seemed to get over that initial hesitation of being floored and shifted to secound faster. It's just a weird feeling when you feel the back end push under and the brakes making that clinking noise. Not somthing I wanna do on a regualr basis.

[naed240sx]

Swapping out the muffler wont make but maybe 1 pony. Plus, it will sound like #### because the rest of the piping will be stock. I reccomend buying a cheap straight-through muffler, and getting a exhaust shop to custom make you a system. I would go for 2.5 inches, high flow cat, and a new header if you want. DONT use a test pipe, it will be loud as hell, and you will be sure to lose some low end. For the whole exhaust system, you could either go custom and spend around 300 dollars(just make sure they hardly bend the pipe, because they wont use mandrel bends) or go with a premade brm system.

BTW, what your wife cant learn to drive stick?5-speed swap would make a world of difference

[dfw240_EE]

My wife also refuses to learn stick and drive it daily. Something about "auto is easier so why not use it?". One of our differences

[1991S13]

Please don't put a muffler on an auto. The car will never be FAST naturally aspirated/auto, so don't give us nissan owners a bad (worse) name. If you must do something maybe a drop-in air filter, Z32 fuel filter and a good set of plugs and wires. Then manual swap, then turbo, THEN full exhaust. I'm sure you are on a budget, but anything else is a waste. I don't mean to flame, just saying it like it is.

You should beat him regardless.

A z32 fuel filter will get you nothing when it comes to performance. Also, it is not impossible to have a fast NA car with an automatic transmission. You are afraid he is going to give Nissan owners a bad name, but by giving him wrong information you sure aren't helping very much...

[komete]

Swapping out the muffler wont make but maybe 1 pony. Plus, it will sound like #### because the rest of the piping will be stock. I reccomend buying a cheap straight-through muffler, and getting a exhaust shop to custom make you a system. I would go for 2.5 inches, high flow cat, and a new header if you want. DONT use a test pipe, it will be loud as hell, and you will be sure to lose some low end. For the whole exhaust system, you could either go custom and spend around 300 dollars(just make sure they hardly bend the pipe, because they wont use mandrel bends) or go with a premade brm system.

BTW, what your wife cant learn to drive stick?5-speed swap would make a world of difference

Thanks for the good advise man.. I've learned a lot about my car in the few weeks I've been a member. I do however have to get a new muffler since my current one has rust holes and sounds loud as can be. Wont pass insepection as is. What I'll do is talk it over with my local muffler guy and tell him I plan to upgrade to a 2.5inch exhaust an put it on with that in mind. I'll slowly start ordering the rest of the exhaust with that in mind and have it ready for when I drop a new header in or have it installed before.

My wife has said the only car she will learn to drive a stick for is an old VW Carmagia (sp).. Infact she has said it over and over. I'm kinda thinking it would make a nice 10 year aniversery presant. So who knows in a couple more years she may just get one or an auto 240.. muhahahah

I feal your pain Dfw240_le

[grimple1]

That's exactly what I was thinking about doing. I tried it at a few red lights today on the way back from work. It seemed to get over that initial hesitation of being floored and shifted to secound faster. It's just a weird feeling when you feel the back end push under and the brakes making that clinking noise. Not somthing I wanna do on a regualr basis.

Just don't neutral drop it. If you plan to continue to footbrake it, you'll definately want to upgrade the torque convertor. I'm not sure what the stall speed of the stock convertor is but I wouldn't rev it too high. (I'd play it safe and say no more then 1k to 1.5k rpms)

"Higher stall speed is the key.A higher stall converter allows the vehicle to accelerate better from a dead stop. Strength and durability is an additional benefit if the converter is properly engineered.

What Is Stall Speed? Stall speed numbers (2000, 2400, 3000 etc) let you know what to expect from the converter. If a 2400 is selected, you should be able to footbrake stall the converter to about 2400 RPM. This should provide anywhere from 500 to 1000 more RPM to launch the vehicle from a dead stop, as compared to the stock converter. This increase should substantially improve your acceleration capability."

Also, an auto trans cooler is one of the best investements for your auto trans. Keeps it nice and cool. B&M Racing make some of the best transmission coolers on the market. http://www.bmracing.com/index....at=28