Carbon Intake Manifold

[MagikDragon]

Well Guys AS Opportunity has it I work at a Carbon Shop, and we make loads of things involving Carbon Fiber. One thing we sell is a Honda H22 Carbon Fiber Intake Manifold.

These bad boys retail for $1200 and they are simply amazing.

Now my question is, I can push the the production of an SR Manifold and possibly others, I want to get an Idea of who would be interested in these if they came into production.

Any questions, feel free to ask.

[Hijacker]

Sean, that's a wonderful idea. However, $1200 is a lot to stomach unfortunately. If I were building a full race motor, I would consider it.

[Fenvy]

even a full race motor would be too much

[Hijacker]

I saidconsider, not that I would definitely get it.

[95silvia14]

even on my track car i wouldnt thats just way too much

[CoupedUp]

Without flow bench numbers. Id have to take a pass and do a custom sheet metal manifold with velocity stacks.

[MagikDragon]

Alright well you guys have good points, but let me reassure you that we are not a mickey mouse shop. Even though I have only been there a short time I can tell you that we have the experience it takes to make a quality product. We are the same company that made the carbon parts for Moroso, NX Purge Caps, etc.

This Intake Manifold was designed around an H22 and there will be revisions or a full rework to make it work with the SR20, The Manifold of past was flow benched, and Dyno tested.

All of the specifications are in this PDF.http://fiber-tuned.com/Fiber-T...t.pdf

This thing only weights 5.5 POUNDS!

If you guys are at all interested, maybe not in the price, but seeing this come into production, let me know.

If not for the SR, what engine do you see it making good potential for?

[otterman]

Ehhh. The problem is most 240/SR owners are cheap as hell man. They'll go for a Greddy/Freddy before that because of price. It would have to be around the same price or cheaper then the Greddy and Freddys.Looks good though

[MagikDragon]

well I figured we needed some other choices than the greddy. Greddy is also a cast piece and pretty heavy for what it is, with really short runners and a small plenum. Is everyone just happy with 1 intake Manifold and thats it? Seems kinda boring to me..

[otterman]

Yeah it sucks to only have one choice but I mean $500 VS $1200 isn't much of a choice. No offense or anything.

[MagikDragon]

well the price is steep, but i can't change that, Wish I could, but I wish people wold be willing to buy a quality part, Prices aside... I think it has the potential to really improve the SR flow characteristics. Maybe this would be best discussed in the RB forum, where people actually pay $1000 for an intake manifold.

[Hijacker]

Sean, I would see what it would take to get a preprod model made and look into getting dyno numbers and flow characteristics.

Justification of cost is important. If the market can't justify spending extra on minimal gains, then the product is less likely to sell. But if the gains are greater than expectations, and can be proven, you could have something.

I'm not a big fan of the Greddy intake. It has a massive plenum, short runners that really frak with the torque curve and it sacrifices low end for dyno numbers. I'd rather use a stock SR manifold extrude honed instead.

[HPR]

I would definately consider this. If you could possibly come up with before & after dyno charts, flow tests and actually pictures of it installed into S13 and S14/S15 motors, I could possibly justify spending the $ on one. Possibly a group buy if you can gauge enough interest?

[Fenvy]

I paid about 1000$ for my exhaust manifold and I am probably willing to pay the same for a well built intake manifold backed by realistic dyno gain.

I think one of the issue here is that people believe they're paying 1200$ for carbon fiber. Sorry for my ignorance but I fail to see how CF would help performance.

[slik_s13]

i think its a good idea. the price idk/???? and im sure people are going to be willing to pay a pretty penny for it though. looks like alot of time and skill goes into making something like that, i can see why they have a price tag like that.

i would concider it if i had the money.

[xsublimefrekx]

if you need a test car i also live in ct and i would be willing to let you use my car as long as i get something out of it. lol. Im kinda interested in it.

[Hijacker]

I paid about 1000$ for my exhaust manifold and I am probably willing to pay the same for a well built intake manifold backed by realistic dyno gain.

I think one of the issue here is that people believe they're paying 1200$ for carbon fiber. Sorry for my ignorance but I fail to see how CF would help performance.

If my understanding is correct, the carbon fibre resists heat soak into the intake stream more than metal. And you get a smoother finish inside the plenum as well as the added benefit of being very light and very sturdy.

A properly made CF mani isn't for looks. BMW used it on the old Evo M3s back in the day.

Here's a link I found from a google search on the benefits:http://www.advancedinductionresearch.com/faq.htm

Here's some performance charts from AIR showing off the power gains and performance benefits of the CF manifold for its Honda application. You can also take a moment to laugh at the Honda's inability to make torque >.>http://www.advancedinductionre...a.htm

I'm not trying to pimp out Sean's idea. I'm just simply showing the other side of the argument of "that costs too much". I think what would really help is if we could get side by side dyno comparisons of the CF mani and a real Greddy mani. Of course, that's not quite as likely to happen if Sean doesn't get some interest in the piece to warrant the R&D needed to make it.

On a side note, I noticed AIR's Honda intake mani looks strikingly similar to Fiber Dynamics'.

Sean, I added a middle of the road option for the poll. Seemed a bit unfair to have just the yes or no.

[MagikDragon]

thanks Bart!

All the above information is true.

We put in many hours of R&D into the original manifold design, the same would go for the next one. I just need intrest and support to make it happen. Thanks for all your input guys!!

[redtop91]

Price is a huge factor and like otterman said most S-Chassis owners never spend $1200 on anything for their car. Looks good though.

[CoupedUp]

Especially not ones that own Twin Turbo Supras that could beat a Lambo easy.

[afracer]

Dude seriously... forget about making something like this strictly for American SR guys, most are cheap skates that have a hard time coughing up $500 for a real Greddy manifold, let alone $1200 for a piece of art like that. If you made this, I believe you would make a lot more money selling it internationally. American, carbon fiber, and for the SR... I think would sell like hotcakes in Japan, especially if you advertise the difference it makes in horsepower/ps compared to the stock manifold and the Greddy. Just my thoughts. I'd LOVE to have something that beautiful strapped to the side of my engine, but don't think I could ever afford it (too many other projects).

[redtop91]

Especially not ones that own Twin Turbo Supras that could beat a Lambo easy.

Hater.

[Coolwhip]

the RB guys chuck out $1k+ for intake manfolds some times. Might wanna offer it up to us as well if its possible. Less of a market but priced around us as well. Greddy Manifolds go for $700+ and ECrap sheet metal ones go for $800 after shipping. RB20 guys pay well over $1k to get a quaility sheet metal manifold made from over seas. As well, since we are talking about weight savings, we can never pass up that idea now can we? lol

Anyways, good luck with it all looks nice. But as everyone has stated. 240 guys are cheap, and if they are spending the money #'s will have to prove worth while.

[S14-KOUKI-MONSTER]

Not really interested in the manifold, but do you currently make any s14 pieces?

Also, how's the nico project car going? I bought a .64 off of the group buy, but apparently it's on backorder and I'm supposed to get it soon.

[MagikDragon]

well actually we don't actually make many car parts, we make bullet proof helmets and chest plates. and we deal with some other stuff like parts for sikorsky helicoptor parts. but i can look into making small parts first and then more to come maybe....

[Morph]

Sean, that's a wonderful idea. However, $1200 is a lot to stomach unfortunately. If I were building a full race motor, I would consider it.

I gotta agree on this one. For a street car its utterly useless, how ever if i did get the track sr off the ground then probally but 1200 for an intake for a DD is insane.

[Kalypso]

Make it out of something else, dont us CF.

people will buy good intake manifolds for about 180 - 250$ if they can compete with bigger brands like greddy.

make one of out aluminum, simple design, beefy welds, keep the cost low but make it durable. and ill buy one for sho.

most SR owners are still using the stock IM but if something reliable and affordable comes out then we will eat it up.

[ivantk6]

why pay so much when there are not even ITB's? rather spent my money on ITB's then a carbon intake mani why ?spent the $$$$$$$$$$$

[Nismosport_]

well if we weren't trying to make cheap power here and were all rich we would just buy fararri's but some of just cant.

[inkslingers13]

bad *** intake mani, but WAY to much money unfortunately... come down to about 600$ and ill take one