CAR WONT START! PLEASE HELP!

[mudvayne9790]

I really think you should try bypassing your Clutch interlock relay (Clutch switch) I had this happen to me last week. Good battery, wouldn't start with a jump, starter was good. I got the one click when i turned the key.

http://nico.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=470094

Good Luck

just got a call from the mechanic he said it was this ^^^ might want to try it since it seems we have the exact same stuff happening

[charat]

just got a call from the mechanic he said it was this ^^^ might want to try it since it seems we have the exact same stuff happening

omg i will try this.

[krash]

the click is coming from the relays and NOT the starter itself? Sounds like your clutch switch. Go under the dash and look up on the clutch pedal for a switch. Make sure its tight and that the pedal touches it when pressed in.

If it is tight and the pedal touches it, then unplug it, jumper the plug from the harness, and try starting. If it starts, you need a new switch.

[charat]

the click is coming from the relays and NOT the starter itself? Sounds like your clutch switch. Go under the dash and look up on the clutch pedal for a switch. Make sure its tight and that the pedal touches it when pressed in.

If it is tight and the pedal touches it, then unplug it, jumper the plug from the harness, and try starting. If it starts, you need a new switch.

i noticed you could just soder the two wires together in the link above... coudl i replace that system with a flip switch instead? would i need a fuse or anything?

[krash]

yes, you could make that a kill switch if you wanted to. Just be sure NOT to start the car in gear unless the clutch pedal is down.

[charat]

yes, you could make that a kill switch if you wanted to. Just be sure NOT to start the car in gear unless the clutch pedal is down.

so if i made that part a kill switch, would i have to keep the switch in the "on" position whenever the car is running ro can i turn it off once the car is started? would i need a fuse of any kind since the relay is essentially a big fuse? and why is it bad to start the car in gear like that?

[krash]

yea you should always put inline fuses on any wiring you do. And I'm pretty sure the switch would just have to be on for ignition.

It would be bad to start the car like that because if its in gear, and the clutch is not depressed, the car will move. Thats why the switch is there, so that people don't forget to hold down the clutch while they're starting the car. So just make sure its in neutral or the pedal is down when you're starting

[charat]

yea you should always put inline fuses on any wiring you do. And I'm pretty sure the switch would just have to be on for ignition.

It would be bad to start the car like that because if its in gear, and the clutch is not depressed, the car will move. Thats why the switch is there, so that people don't forget to hold down the clutch while they're starting the car. So just make sure its in neutral or the pedal is down when you're starting

what size fuse should i use? the relay is probably a huge 25-50 amp fuse... dont think they have that size of inline fuse for that. so if i started teh car in gear, it would just jerk the car and stall it right? no serious or long lasting damage right?

[krash]

I don't know what size fuse would be best.

If you start it in gear, the car will move. So if you're parked behind someone or something, it could definitely cause some damage. Just make sure its in neutral. Basically, you don't want the trans telling the wheels to do anything.

[Dill_XD]

My car always started without the clutch, which is weird. As long as you solder the wires, heat shrink and electrical tape and make sure it won't short you don't really have to put a fuse. If you start the car in gear it will just jerk and stall, and you'll know as soon as you do it and you wont go far at all, maybe 4 inches. It wont be hard on the transmission, if anything it would be hard on the starter but nothing huge. So I would first check the switch, and if you can just fix it do that, but if not just bypass the relay. It takes about 5 minutes nothing major.


Modified by Dill_XD at 5:43 PM 1/29/2010

[hilux30]

My god! One guy with the battery thing then the starter then the "neutral SAFETY switch" and now doing a rewire on it. It is for sure not the battery, and you can't find the starter, and you have no Idea where this and that, may I suggest, for entertainment purposes only, that you seek professional help on this, and you can sit there and observe that professional, ask questions and learn from him so when this happens next time... you know. Or get a manual from the parts store and work your way.The most common mistake in automotive repair is that the owner will over-think and over-diagnose the problem and later finding out it was something so stupid "why didn't I think of that first".I'm leaning towards starter, if it was the clutch switch then there would be no clicking anywhere! But you can guess all day with this... just get help. DO NOT rewire that switch so some moron might start the car from the outside with it being in gear then all chaos from then on…

[Dill_XD]

Actually there is a quiet click with the neutral safety switch issue. making a simple jumper will test that, you don't have to cut wires to test that. Considering that is easier than starter removal try making a jumper. And since it is a common problem with 240's it isn't that far off of a guess.

[charat]

My car always started without the clutch, which is weird. As long as you solder the wires, heat shrink and electrical tape and make sure it won't short you don't really have to put a fuse. If you start the car in gear it will just jerk and stall, and you'll know as soon as you do it and you wont go far at all, maybe 4 inches. It wont be hard on the transmission, if anything it would be hard on the starter but nothing huge. So I would first check the switch, and if you can just fix it do that, but if not just bypass the relay. It takes about 5 minutes nothing major.

Modified by Dill_XD at 5:43 PM 1/29/2010

knowing me. itll take me liek an hour. i liek to make everything look SUPER clean. ill like use fmale/male conectors and soder everything and like mount a switch to my dash... etc.

[charat]

Actually there is a quiet click with the neutral safety switch issue. making a simple jumper will test that, you don't have to cut wires to test that. Considering that is easier than starter removal try making a jumper. And since it is a common problem with 240's it isn't that far off of a guess.

is that the same as the relay?

[Dill_XD]

They are both part of the same problem. The relay is the the blue box under the fender, the switch for the clutch relay is mounted on the clutch pedal assembly. It may very well be that that little switch isn't getting pressed. Check that first, if everything is fine, move to the relay. Jumper the Brown/White and Brown/Yellow wires, if it works than it is your relay. from this point you have two choices.

1. Bypass the relay and solder. =0$

2. Replace the relay. =24$

P.S. The link I posted shows all of this. Read it thoroughly and you'll be set.
Modified by Dill_XD at 6:51 PM 1/29/2010

[krash]

I'm leaning towards starter, if it was the clutch switch then there would be no clicking anywhere! But you can guess all day with this... just get help. DO NOT rewire that switch so some moron might start the car from the outside with it being in gear then all chaos from then on…

its not the actual neutral switch, its the relay clicking. He's just planning ahead, he needs to jumper the relay first and make sure he has the correct diagnosis. Always check to see that the cheap parts are good first, then go and check the expensive parts. If it was his battery, all the lights would dim when he tries to crank it.

[ChampionSound]

it could be anything

i had a similar problem also, with the clicking and stuff. it turns out it wasnt the battery or starter or anything like that

its my ignition switch that the key turns. for some reason mine is on its last legs. search the forum, theres a thread somewhere on replacing yours

[rz350ypvs]

I may have missed it as I didn't read all of the thread, but have you even tried jumping it off another car? Or putting in another battery that is known to be good? It's probably just the starter solenoid clicking/completing the circuit but there isn't enough power to crank the engine over.

[hilux30]

That's why he needs help with basic rules of electrical dianostics, and his best friend right now is a test light. Working his way from the clutch switch upwards, then testing to see if the starter is getting a signal, then the relay for constant, ground and then the signal terminal when the ignition is clicked from the ignition switch. If nothing there THEN must test the ignition switch itself. Remember, the test light is grounded to the body, it will light up when touching a power wire, but you must always follow by testing the ground, and that's done by hooking the test light wire to a power source... but to do that you have to know which one is ground, thankfully nissan's is mostly black, but not for all...

OH yes, I'm assuming that the little piece of plastic on your clutch pedal is there, not fell off or broken and its pushing the switch in, right?

[slow40]

HIT THE STARTER WHILE SOMEONE TURNS THE KEY!!!! 2 SECONDS WORTH OF EFFORT!!!

[charat]

That's why he needs help with basic rules of electrical dianostics, and his best friend right now is a test light. Working his way from the clutch switch upwards, then testing to see if the starter is getting a signal, then the relay for constant, ground and then the signal terminal when the ignition is clicked from the ignition switch. If nothing there THEN must test the ignition switch itself. Remember, the test light is grounded to the body, it will light up when touching a power wire, but you must always follow by testing the ground, and that's done by hooking the test light wire to a power source... but to do that you have to know which one is ground, thankfully nissan's is mostly black, but not for all...

OH yes, I'm assuming that the little piece of plastic on your clutch pedal is there, not fell off or broken and its pushing the switch in, right?

i acutally know all that electrical crap. im just too lazy to do all the work XD. if its a mechanical problem i would probably need mroe help. my dad is an electrician.

you guys were all wrong btw.

i established that the electrical wire that ran to my fuel pump or whatever was severed... just ran a new wire. fixed it rigth up.

[mudvayne9790]

lol sometimes you never know whats wrong owell