can i win?

[dickie]

if they are so great, trade your 240 for a tiburon.

you cant argue with facts, and stooping to accusing me and others who dont appreciate the poor build quality of certain cars (that includes more than the chassis, last time i checked) only shows who the real ignoramus is. im not saying that every korean car is bad simply because it comes from korea. that would be pretty stupid. im saying that that regardless of the cause (at this point i dont even care what causes it) their cars leave the factory with more flaws than your typical japanase or european-built car. i would rather drive a leganza or a spectra than a cavalier, neon, sunfire, etc... so tell me please, how am i being racist? am i being racist towards white people that assemble those cars in detroit? what about the gm plant in mexico? am i racist now for refusing to drive a gm car that was assembled there? your arguments are complete nonsense.

[masticatingcow]

d!ck, quit while you're ahead. All you're doing is pissing other people off and making yourself look like a fool.

To be fair, this thread was poopoo before you got to it, when s13rb25det started in about Korean convicts building the cars. At least he acknowledged he was "a little sidetracked." Then you came in and complained about how Korean cars made it into GT4 (LOL ) and how

they are fine for cruising the ghetto, where most of them live.

What did you mean by that? Who is this "them" you speak of? Of course you meant Koreans, because everyone knows that cars don't live in ghettos or anywhere else.

Now that we have that racism thing cleared up, we should speak towards this idea of relevance. The thread's topic is "Can I win?" and the poster asked if he could win a race against a Tiburon. Now, where does the "built by convicts" and "good for the ghetto where they live" and "I'm still pissed that there was Korean stuff in GT4" help answer this question? You see that none of it does. Your bias, justified or not, is not helpful... or RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.

Then you get 5th-grade defensive and challenge your "opponents" to trade out their 240SXs for Tiburons, much akin to the "if you like it so much why don't you go marry it?" bull that we all dished in elementary school. Arbitrary Honda haters do this... you shouldn't.

All that said, I'll explain one more thing. In any thread where I have gotten into the semantics of discussion with a fellow member, especially if that member was relatively new to the boards, the thread got locked by a mod, or worse, deleted... so don't reply with nonsense to try and boost your post count. If you think I have you pegged wrong and you want to clarify what you were trying to say in a mature way, then fire away. I'll read it. Otherwise, just read what I said, understand that it is an issue of common courtesy, both to the original poster who wanted some basic information, and more importantly, to the ethnic community you have perhaps accidentially offended. DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY.

[VinceSez]

LOVELESS IS MIKE JONES MIKE JONES!!!!!!!

[dickie]

wow, thanks for pointing out one thing to me:

i DID say that most of THEM lived in the ghetto, but by THEM i meant the cars, NOT the people.

all kindsa ppl live in ghettos, and, lets face it, a korean car is the most affordable new car you can buy, thats all that i was trying to infer by that. i think that everyone that needs a car should be able to have one that will at least get them where they need to go. korean cars are a good alternative to running a cheap-secondhand beater that will break down, pollute, cause safety issues etc...

i dont think that with the current quality offered by korean marques that they should not be "modified" or used for performance applications. aside from being pointless from a performance perspective, it can cause some problems that shorten the car's life considerably. i agree with kenrik, they are accessable and cheap and after a hundred k can be thrown away or traded towards another car.

sorry for the confusion i probably caused with that comment earlier. as i have explained, i am about the farthest from a racist person you will find.

[Fenvy]

LOVELESS IS MIKE JONES MIKE JONES!!!!!!!

[s13rb25det]

hey guys! Im sorry I started this whole thing! I think there is a misunderstanding about what I said, I stated that these cars are built by convicts and some people will not buy them because of this. the reason these people will not purchase them is because lots of these prisoners are in the pen because of political or religion reasons! its not because there korean! again Im sorry about this whole misunderstanding.

[JimmyMethod]

The reason I wouldn't drive a Tiburon is that they are ugly as hell and don't have that great of performance numbers.If you like the way they look and/or plan on dropping a grand or two into it, making it badass, then go ahead. It's just not my cup of tea.

P.S. As for the reliablilty thing, they have really really long warrenties... I don't know.I have a couple friends who work at GM and say that in a few years Korean car makers are going to do what Japanese car makers did in the 80s-90s: out do everyone in making cheap, safe, daily drivers that most people need.

[johndabrit]

YOU CAN WIN WITH JUST THE WIND PUSHING YOUR CAR SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SON NO WORRIES!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN WIN BY JUST PUSHING YOUR CAR TO THE FINISH LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN WIN BY USING A LITTLE GIRL'S BOMEX BICYCLE AGAINST A TIBURON! YOU CAN WIN JUST CRIP WALKING THE WHOLE WAY TO THE FINISH LINE! YOU CAN WIN IN A DAMN WHEELCHAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you are my new role model. all your posts crack me up man..

[lee.]

Well Ford is not known for quality... just look up info on the 6.0l Powerstroke.. most don't make it over 10k before the engines blow...

The 6.0 is being replaced with a new 6.8. All manufactures have made mistakes or are making them. Ford did the wrong engine with a solid truck. Dodge did a solid engine with **** everything around it. It doesn't take long to see (go google) Dodge is making the same mistakes it did in the 80's with frame and suspension components. "new ram problems", 3rd link down and a friend in the landscaping business traded his 03 ram for a 05 150 for similar problems listed in the site.http://www.minerich.com/dodge_ram.htm

Moral of the post: All manufactures screw up, it's how they correct them that sets them apart.