Can a 90 Stock 240sx win?

[FrEaK]

My friend also has a 90 stock 240sx.... some guy in a Plymoth Laser around a 90 - 92, wants to race him.... but the Laser is factory tuboed... My buddies car is a 5 speed, and the Laser is auto.... any thoughts on who would end up smoking pole...

[blink0r]

The laser should win, unless there is something malfunctioning with the car or your friend's 240 is extremely modded.

[FrEaK]

Extremely?

The guys got an auto... im sure moderatly modded he'd take him...

[S14aMike]

What the heck is a Plymoth Laser?

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

The lazer would win easy. the transmission doesnt make that much of a difference in those stock cars, and the auto prolly shifts smoother that your friend does =\

a lazer is a knock off dsm

[FrEaK]

I guess your right... the Laser looks like a Talon... i guess he's gonna need a turbo of his own LOL

[UncleBen]

go sabatoge the laser, then race : )

[eniety]

The laser will win, ESPECIALLY with an automatic transmission. A friend of mine has one. With an automatic transmission, shifting error is pretty much eliminated. "The guys got an auto..." was a terrible remark. No offense.

[FrEaK]

That "remark" was for knowledge, and in most cases it does make a difference because power is lost in the auto transmission... in some cars they loose speed when shifting because the car trys to make the shifting comfortable.... im sure a good standard drivier in the same car with a 5 speed would rape the auto....

[Good240]

I drove a 95 GST Eclipse with an auto and the difference was tremendous. The GST manual would run side by side with my 91 240SX that ran 15.2 last time out but the auto wwould be behind by a respectable amount. It felt like it was just sulking with the extremely wide gearing of the auto. and you didn't get the rush going into the next gear. We didn't get a chance to race the GST automatic next to my eclipse but we did with the manual. I can honestly say GSX automatics are a complete waste though. The GST wouldn't even chirp a tire even under full throttle taking off with the wheel slightly cranked.

[FrEaK]

Thankyou for proving my point....

[APEXi240]

The 240 would get hurt, whether it be auto or stick. SOME cars are actually faster when they are turbo automatic... Plus with the auto he can brake while revving, so when he launches he'll already be in boost.

[Chris69427]

Most people don't realize that an auto's torque converter unlike its manual counterpart (the clutch) actually multiplies torque a very small amount just like the gears in your rearend.

If the auto has a good TC matched to the engine's powerband (or torque-band, rather) it won't have that "lag" while shifting... add a shift improver kit and you'll chirp every single gear like a manual; and speaking of manuals you can also convert an automatic valvebody to full manual... which makes the only advantage to driving a manual the close ratio between the gears (less rpm drop in manual trannys), but factor in that no one can shift their manual as fast as the improved auto I described above, an automatic could whoop a manual!

Why do you think most drag racers run autos? I know a lot who run two speed powerglides, in fact; talk about rpm drop... These are sub 10 second cars, I'm talking about!

Later,

[1991240xs]

ya...other than launch..the big advantage of a manual is downshifting around a turn and power****ing out of it...just keep in mind our car is not a dragster..it's best point isn't speed(not stock atleast)...it's the wicked handling-

[eniety]

Freak -- Good240 didn't prove your point; all he did was say that the GST with an automatic transmission that he drove wouldn't keep up with a GST with a stick, or a S13. First, a GST is not a Laser. Second, I haven't driven an automatic where I don't feel a "rush" going into next gear, unless there is a problem. Maybe the auto GST wasn't running right. Maybe Good240 is right, GST auto trannies do suck. I can't say one way or the other because I haven't driven one.

[1991240xs]

we have some pointless arguments..just let us know what happened man-

[FrEaK]

Your all getting away from the post... but i think that my friend is ****ed... meh... good thing it aint me.... maybe... he should challenge him to an auto cross race?:)

[s14=pimpin']

from what i know about lasers, they have alot of problems with their turbos. If your buddies Laser is in good working order, then the 240 will get spanked, regardless of the transmission. The autocross is a good idea, the laser is FWD, right?

[FrEaK]

im assuming so... well no the dood has something to work for..

[WAbernethy]

If it was anything like the Laser I used to have, it would burst into flames and have to pull to the side of the road. (Had a mid 80's Laser Turbo, Auto. Fuel injector seal gave out and sprayed all over the exhaust manifold and ........):angryfire

[FrEaK]

well... i hope if they ever race the dude blows a gasket... the car sounds less than par already

[95_240sx]

Yeah, also take into account how good of a driver is in the 240. I raced a Mitsu GST on 15lbs of boost, and i beat him by about 1.5 carlengths. The reason I beat him was because I was a much better driver in my 240 than he was in his GST. He didnt know how to shift and be able to keep it spooled up. That GST is probably running about a 14.9 seeing as I can run a 14.7. However, if it would have been any longer of a race, he would have won because he was really catching me at the end.

Rick

[FrEaK]

I hope it was on the track... what kind of idiot runs 15 psi on the street

[InstantRice]

95_240sx hangs his head in shame because he was racing down main street. This post is pretty much answered so its time to whore

[FrEaK]

Amen to that...

[S13Fastback]

Actually all auto DSM's have a switch for sport shifting or economy (1st gens anyway) I dont know if it really works but its something to consider before you race.

[looksLikeA240]

15 psi on the street is nothing on a dsm. The second gens ran stock 14lbs of boost although the stock 2nd gen BOV would only hold 12psi. The t25 on a second gen only flows 15 psi top end, and many people run that amount becuase the turbo wont flow more. Dsm internals are good for 20 psi on a 16g turbo on street use. Most people at the track run 20-22 psi on stock internals with a 16 or 20g.

On the topic of auto dsms. Since it is a laser; and they never made a 2nd gen laser. It is a first gen laser which means that if its auto it has a 13b turbo which was way smaller than the 14b turbos on all 5 speed 1st gens. The autos are way slower than the 5speed dsm's. Unlike supras, the dsm auto transmission blows. There are very few fast auto dsms. 5 speed pulls hard till redline on the dsms.

[FrEaK]

Thanks... what does DSM stand for exactly?

Man car's that are factory tuboed are foriegn to me.... but i've gone on a turbo learning experience... hopefully i do learn something...

[s14=pimpin']

Yeah, also take into account how good of a driver is in the 240. I raced a Mitsu GST on 15lbs of boost, and i beat him by about 1.5 carlengths. The reason I beat him was because I was a much better driver in my 240 than he was in his GST. He didnt know how to shift and be able to keep it spooled up. That GST is probably running about a 14.9 seeing as I can run a 14.7. However, if it would have been any longer of a race, he would have won because he was really catching me at the end.

Rick

mind me asking who honed your block? Did you do it yourself, or pay, and was it worth it? Looks like you'll have quite the beast once the turbo is installed, keep us posted

[redrocket]

Thanks... what does DSM stand for exactly?

Diamond Star Motors it is the name of the factory they are built at some where in Illinois I belive and the eclipse, sebring, stratus and the old talons and lasers were built there........ oh get this I got witness to prove it and need to check my time slip to see if it says I won but saturday night I beat an S2000 can you say someone didn't know how to drive plus I ran a 16.1 on that run so anything is possible so your boy might have a shot at that turboed laser

Robbie