Cadillac CTS-V
Cadillac CTS-V
Anyone driven a Cadillac CTS-V? With 400hp and a six speed stick in a roomy 4 door it sounds like a 90 Q for this century.
I havent, but I will sing its praises.
It is DESTORYING the competition in the SCCA Speedvision world challenge.
Pummeling Vettes, Audi RS6s, Porsches, etc etc
Unbelievable car for 50k..
Hand tested by one of the C5R lemans drivers, at the nurburgring..
It's simply incredible.. If you have the money, get it!
It is DESTORYING the competition in the SCCA Speedvision world challenge.
Pummeling Vettes, Audi RS6s, Porsches, etc etc
Unbelievable car for 50k..
Hand tested by one of the C5R lemans drivers, at the nurburgring..
It's simply incredible.. If you have the money, get it!
1992Q45A wrote:Bleh. Let this car run it's course. I think the quality will suprise you.
like every other GM product? according to consumer reports owners surveys,cadillac has been much worse than average as the years and miles add up,much less subject to boat loads of recalls and tsb`s to fix problems-the only surprize will be to your bank account after the warranty expires!
I saw one here in Miami....it was pretty damn tough sounding. I have to agree with the crappy build quality of Caddy. My parents just bought a Caddy EXT half truck/SUV and the fit and finish for a $50+K truck really sucked. I could not believe all the rough edges, difficult to read speedo, and other things that just were not there that were found on thier Lexus RX330 that is $20K less. They bought the Caddy due to the tax write-off of 6,000lbs vehicles, but I don't see the fit and finish quality lasting much beyond 60K miles.
Yea, the escalada and it's variants are crap
Look at the new SRX however..
It has exceptional build quality, and is dominating in comparisons.. Even against the FX
Knock on the dash on the escacrap, nothing but hollow plastic.
Not fair to judge caddy by that ute.. it doesn't have the new interior
The SRX does
Look at the new SRX however..
It has exceptional build quality, and is dominating in comparisons.. Even against the FX
Knock on the dash on the escacrap, nothing but hollow plastic.
Not fair to judge caddy by that ute.. it doesn't have the new interior
The SRX does
Brand Problems per 100 vehicles
Lexus 162 Buick 187 Infiniti 189 Lincoln 194 Cadillac 196 Honda 209 Acura 212 Toyota 216 Mercury 224 Porsche 240 Chevrolet 262 GMC 262 BMW 264 Saab 265 Saturn 267 Industry Avg. 269 Ford 276 Nissan 280 Chrysler 285 Mazda 285 Subaru 288 Plymouth 289 Audi 295 Pontiac 297 Dodge 298 Jaguar 310 Jeep 314 Oldsmobile 314 Mercedes-Benz 327 Mitsubishi 327 Volvo 346 Suzuki 365 Hyundai 375 Volkswagen 386 Isuzu 393 Daewoo 411 Kia 432 Land Rover 472
Isuzu is on its way out, and while it hasnt worsened, it doesnt look good against competitors' improvements. Its GM's forgotten truck brand, starved for new investment, and will most likely be relegated to commercial products.
GM's new Cadillac factory is currently the top-rated in the world for quality control. Lincoln is up there, partly because of a complete lack of new products -- rebadged or enhanced old models on old platforms with incremental improvements -- there isnt much room for mistakes.
Sorry, but continually bashing on GM for old mistakes is ignorant. Qship you can have your opinions, but the facts speak for themself.
"GM's new Cadillac factory is currently the top-rated in the world for quality control"
Keep on bashin...
Nothing like worthless hating.
Lexus 162 Buick 187 Infiniti 189 Lincoln 194 Cadillac 196 Honda 209 Acura 212 Toyota 216 Mercury 224 Porsche 240 Chevrolet 262 GMC 262 BMW 264 Saab 265 Saturn 267 Industry Avg. 269 Ford 276 Nissan 280 Chrysler 285 Mazda 285 Subaru 288 Plymouth 289 Audi 295 Pontiac 297 Dodge 298 Jaguar 310 Jeep 314 Oldsmobile 314 Mercedes-Benz 327 Mitsubishi 327 Volvo 346 Suzuki 365 Hyundai 375 Volkswagen 386 Isuzu 393 Daewoo 411 Kia 432 Land Rover 472
Isuzu is on its way out, and while it hasnt worsened, it doesnt look good against competitors' improvements. Its GM's forgotten truck brand, starved for new investment, and will most likely be relegated to commercial products.
GM's new Cadillac factory is currently the top-rated in the world for quality control. Lincoln is up there, partly because of a complete lack of new products -- rebadged or enhanced old models on old platforms with incremental improvements -- there isnt much room for mistakes.
Sorry, but continually bashing on GM for old mistakes is ignorant. Qship you can have your opinions, but the facts speak for themself.
"GM's new Cadillac factory is currently the top-rated in the world for quality control"
Keep on bashin...
Nothing like worthless hating.
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you guys have NO IDEA what the CTSv is like until youve sat in one... NO IDEA AT ALL!!!!!
Theres a recall on them, there is a faulty oil temp sensor for like the first 1000 off the line...
This is the highest quality Ive seen in a car (in person) besides the G50. The dash is solid, plastics feel nice, the leather is VERY high quality (better than any infiniti leather Ive sat it) and its even got suede... You can see the stitching, and wehre you can its very close and high quality..
I thikn you all will be eating your words on this later... The CTSv is as good as any expensive car Ive been in.. its really has a special presence, its a special car...
Ive posted this a lot, but I dont think the numbers really mean anything..... I think the cadillacs are just as good quality as anything, ESPECIALLY the new ones... I run a cadillac forum, I know my cadillacs...
You have to ask yourself, if they were as bad as Qship96 says, then why do people keep buying them. People arent idiots, if a car is terrible they wont buy it.....
You all need to realize that our cars ARENT THE BEST... We like to be in our hooty tooty group and say we're best, but I think the CTSv is going to be a real classic...
I can tell you one thign, it will be worth more (to a collector) in 30 years than say any of our Q (G50, Y33, F50, Y34)... If it wasnt for the extreme discounts, Id get a CTSv over an M45 any day.....
Theres a recall on them, there is a faulty oil temp sensor for like the first 1000 off the line...
This is the highest quality Ive seen in a car (in person) besides the G50. The dash is solid, plastics feel nice, the leather is VERY high quality (better than any infiniti leather Ive sat it) and its even got suede... You can see the stitching, and wehre you can its very close and high quality..
I thikn you all will be eating your words on this later... The CTSv is as good as any expensive car Ive been in.. its really has a special presence, its a special car...
Ive posted this a lot, but I dont think the numbers really mean anything..... I think the cadillacs are just as good quality as anything, ESPECIALLY the new ones... I run a cadillac forum, I know my cadillacs...
You have to ask yourself, if they were as bad as Qship96 says, then why do people keep buying them. People arent idiots, if a car is terrible they wont buy it.....
You all need to realize that our cars ARENT THE BEST... We like to be in our hooty tooty group and say we're best, but I think the CTSv is going to be a real classic...
I can tell you one thign, it will be worth more (to a collector) in 30 years than say any of our Q (G50, Y33, F50, Y34)... If it wasnt for the extreme discounts, Id get a CTSv over an M45 any day.....
1992Q45A wrote:yea and some magazines have bashed the interior of all current Infiniti cars
So what
well,after your post of INITIAL quality,lets look at the facts as reported from actual OWNERS of several brands,as they age-which is what my original comment clearly referred to---------taken from April 2004 Consumers Report syrvey
Problems with 1 year old brandslexus............9Infiniti..........10Cadillac........25
and as they age...........3 year old problemsInfiniti.........21Lexus.........23Cadillac......91 {at the VERY BOTTOM of 29 brands surveyed,includingHyundai!
At 5 years old....Infiniti...24Lexus...32Crapolac..82
You are talking out your a**
elwesso wrote:But we're not talking about old cadillacs, this is a NEW one.. YEah, the older models raent the best, but the CTS, CTSv, XLR and SRX are the best caddys the brand has made since the old school RWD big blocks.....
This is the NEW one! Boy,GM keeps finding suckers to remain in business......... a fool and his money........We have been hearing all the lies about the NEW ones for over 30 years! how about a short trip through history.....Cadillac had lots of NEW ONES..........remember the cimarron? the v8-6-4,the deisel?,catera?history has a way of repeating itself,and based on the figures i quoted,cadillac is still producing crap,as recently as last year..........mark my words,next years survey,and the year after will reflect the same substandard quality.
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I may be inexperienced, but I do know my cadillacs....
Ok, so they have had some bad moved, but OVERALL its been good... For a car company that old you have to expect osmething to go bad.. Hell INFINITI our brand couldnt put metal timing guides in their first car.....
In 1998 the 1988 cadillac sedan deville was named the worlds most reliable 10 year old car, by car a nd driver I THINK.....
The northstar is a great engine, despite what you haters want to think.. Its smoother than the VH45DE (IMHO)..... These cars hold up not as well as ours do, but overall much better than anyhting else.. Sure there are the bad models, but you have to expect it.... It may not have the technology than the VH45DE has but its not as expensive...
I dont really want to go on because I feel like Im spinning my wheels here.. But I think GM is really making a comeback...
Ok, so they have had some bad moved, but OVERALL its been good... For a car company that old you have to expect osmething to go bad.. Hell INFINITI our brand couldnt put metal timing guides in their first car.....
In 1998 the 1988 cadillac sedan deville was named the worlds most reliable 10 year old car, by car a nd driver I THINK.....
The northstar is a great engine, despite what you haters want to think.. Its smoother than the VH45DE (IMHO)..... These cars hold up not as well as ours do, but overall much better than anyhting else.. Sure there are the bad models, but you have to expect it.... It may not have the technology than the VH45DE has but its not as expensive...
I dont really want to go on because I feel like Im spinning my wheels here.. But I think GM is really making a comeback...
Yep. Chipped northstars push 340+ hp...
We wish our VH was pushing that hp..
It's ok, there will always be naysayers.
In 1990, most people wouldn't consider owning "japcrap" luxury cars.. Oh how times have changed..
Nobody thought a caddy would be dominating on the track either.
With every new car, they leave the naysayers scratching their heads.. All they can say is well wait 10 years...
We'll see.
Go caddy, I'm proud of ya
400 HP 6 speed 50k sedan... thanks caddy, I appreciate it
We wish our VH was pushing that hp..
It's ok, there will always be naysayers.
In 1990, most people wouldn't consider owning "japcrap" luxury cars.. Oh how times have changed..
Nobody thought a caddy would be dominating on the track either.
With every new car, they leave the naysayers scratching their heads.. All they can say is well wait 10 years...
We'll see.
Go caddy, I'm proud of ya
400 HP 6 speed 50k sedan... thanks caddy, I appreciate it
wes,I agree Cadillac has some interesting product on the street,now and in the past{ my father bought a new one every year for over 30 years} the best being the 1970 eldorado..at 8.2 liters,it was the largest engine EVER put in a modern automobile,and with front wheel drive,smoked the Vogues down to the cords if you kept your right foot in it,its their long term durability that needs attention..........the fit& finish of materials are beautiful,but history has proven long term they have quite a ways to go to catch lexus and infiniti in the reliability department.
1992Q45A wrote:Yep. Chipped northstars push 340+ hp...
We wish our VH was pushing that hp..
It's ok, there will always be naysayers.
In 1990, most people wouldn't consider owning "japcrap" luxury cars.. Oh how times have changed..
Nobody thought a caddy would be dominating on the track either.
With every new car, they leave the naysayers scratching their heads.. All they can say is well wait 10 years...
you my friend have missed the point! We'll see.
Go caddy, I'm proud of ya
400 HP 6 speed 50k sedan... thanks caddy, I appreciate it
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I have a 170k mile Ford. No rebuild, looks to still have the crappy factory head gaskets...
runs great. the rest of the car however:D it's got typical Ford build qaulity everywhere but the engine it seems, though the 3.8 has been a tough sucker. Perhaps why there's so many V6 Mustangs?
what's this have to do with the Caddy? Beats me....but like the Z06, that car is still a lot of bang for the buck.
runs great. the rest of the car however:D it's got typical Ford build qaulity everywhere but the engine it seems, though the 3.8 has been a tough sucker. Perhaps why there's so many V6 Mustangs?
what's this have to do with the Caddy? Beats me....but like the Z06, that car is still a lot of bang for the buck.
elwesso wrote:y People arent idiots, if a car is terrible they wont buy it.....
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OH REALLY?!?!
I going to respectfully disagree- people are idiots.
I think it is very tough to get good satisfaction numbers on what happens to these cars (really any marque) as they age. Nobody keeps cars past the end of the lease these days- or at least there are so few that there really is no meaningful data. I'd bet less than 20% of cars costing 50k are owned by the original purchaser after 36months...
IMHO
Ard
Well my friend(18) just bought an Escalade and put 22 in. rims and an alpine flip out TV in the dash 2 more Alpine TVs in the head rests, and a PS2 under the rear seat. Now when you look at it, It looks nice as hell IMO, but when you sit inside, you wonder "A luxury car maker couldnt do better than this." My moms 04 Murano has better quality and better a looking interior then that and it only cost us $33K after taxes. It makes you wonder. I do however have to respect the CTSv for what it is. A nice *** car for a nice *** price. As far as how long it'll last? Who knows. Lets just wait and see. If anything just take out an extended warranty or trade it in for a new one.
I took a 2003 Escalade for a brief drive. I was pleased with but not blown away by the interior. Its definitely good enough, but not great and not on par with its sticker price. It was a nice ride, however. 
Okay, back to GM bashing...
Now, I agree that reaching successful numbers on customer satisfaction surveys is very difficult. But Consumer Reports and NBC News have been proven fraudulent. CR (Consumers Union) has a clear, blatant anti-automobile "greenie" left-wing agenda. Have you read their commentaries in Consumer Reports on "quality" healthcare? Or the SUVs flipped on purpose by NBC and CR?
Please, in this discussion, so not use that rag as a reference point.
Now, Strategic Vision, JD Powers, and Consumer Guide have untarnished reputations (so far) and can offer some credibility to some claims made here.
Cadillac's CTS plant getting top honors:http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/...04045
Cadillac's Malcolm Baldridge Quality Award, 1990:http://www.quality.nist.gov/Cadillac_90.htm
JD Powers Dependability, 2004:Lexus 162 Buick 187 Infiniti 189 Lincoln 194 Cadillac 196 --Note that among the top five are three domestic brands (two GM, one Ford) and two Japanese brands. Porsche would be listed here too if not for the Cayenne.
And here's brands ranked 5 through 10:Honda 209 Acura 212 Toyota 216 Mercury 224 Porsche 240 --Porsche would be in the top five if not for the Cayenne. Chevrolet is 11th right under Porsche. The last generation Malibu (yeah, the one only rental fleets bought) scored highest in 2003 initial quality. The new Malibu ranked at the top for 2004.
This is JD Powers, from July 2003:J.D. Power long-term quality surveyProblems per 100 vehicles Manufacturer Score Porsche 193 Toyota 196 Honda 215 Nissan 258 BMW 262 General Motors 264 --6th, which is 6 points behind Nissan, is a good place to be.
Here is JD Powers initial quality leaders for 2004, based on 90 days of ownership:
->Compact Car Toyota Corolla Hyundai Accent Chrysler PT Cruiser (tie) Honda Civic (tie)
->Entry Midsize Car Hyundai Sonata Oldsmobile Alero Chevrolet Malibu (Wheres Camry and Accord?)
->Premium Midsize Car Buick Century Chevrolet Monte Carlo Mitsubishi Galant (tie) Toyota Avalon (tie) (The current Buick Century dates back to 1997, so its had seven years to work out any bugs. The Galant, however, is brand new.)
->Full-Size Car Mercury Grand Marquis Buick LeSabre Ford Crown Victoria
->Entry Luxury Car Acura TSX Ford Thunderbird Cadillac CTS
->Mid Luxury Car Lexus GS 300/430 Cadillac DeVille Lincoln Town Car
->Premium Luxury Car Lexus SC 430 Lexus LS 430 Cadillac XLR
->Sporty Car Dodge Stratus Coupe Toyota Celica Ford Mustang
->Premium Sports Car Porsche 911 Honda S2000 Nissan 350Z
->Compact Pickup Ford Explorer Sport Trac Ford Ranger Toyota Tacoma
->Light-Duty Full-Size Pickup Toyota Tundra Ford F-150 light duty Cadillac Escalade EXT (tie) Ford F-150 Heritage/Lightning (tie)
->Heavy-Duty Full-Size Pickup Dodge Ram heavy duty GMC Sierra heavy duty Chevrolet Silverado heavy duty
->Entry SUV Honda Element Hyundai Santa Fe Honda CR-V
->Midsize SUV Toyota 4Runner Honda Pilot Mercury Mountaineer
->Full-Size SUV Chevrolet Suburban Chevrolet Tahoe Toyota Sequoia (GM's big winner. Sadly, sales are turning into a big loser.)
->Entry Luxury SUV Lexus RX 330 Mercedes-Benz M-Class Infiniti FX-Series
->Premium Luxury SUV Lexus LX 470 Lexus GX 470 Cadillac Escalade/Escalade ESV
->Compact Van Honda Odyssey Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan Toyota Sienna
There is clear evidence that GM quality is improving. There is an obvious history of Cadillac moving forward, first in the early 90s with compelling designs and the Northstar and now again with compelling designs, unbeatable performance, much improved dependability, and incredible value.
And GM knows now that it cant rely on trucks to keep it going:http://www.detnews.com/2004/au...0.htm
Business is sink or swim, and I think we can see from GM's new products and an even greater focus on quality that drowning clearly isnt an option. Tidbit: GM recently hired a former Toyota quality chief who is partly responsible for these recent developments -- looks like a commitment to changing car culture at The General.
-Jesda
Okay, back to GM bashing...
Now, I agree that reaching successful numbers on customer satisfaction surveys is very difficult. But Consumer Reports and NBC News have been proven fraudulent. CR (Consumers Union) has a clear, blatant anti-automobile "greenie" left-wing agenda. Have you read their commentaries in Consumer Reports on "quality" healthcare? Or the SUVs flipped on purpose by NBC and CR?
Please, in this discussion, so not use that rag as a reference point.
Now, Strategic Vision, JD Powers, and Consumer Guide have untarnished reputations (so far) and can offer some credibility to some claims made here.
Cadillac's CTS plant getting top honors:http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/...04045
Cadillac's Malcolm Baldridge Quality Award, 1990:http://www.quality.nist.gov/Cadillac_90.htm
JD Powers Dependability, 2004:Lexus 162 Buick 187 Infiniti 189 Lincoln 194 Cadillac 196 --Note that among the top five are three domestic brands (two GM, one Ford) and two Japanese brands. Porsche would be listed here too if not for the Cayenne.
And here's brands ranked 5 through 10:Honda 209 Acura 212 Toyota 216 Mercury 224 Porsche 240 --Porsche would be in the top five if not for the Cayenne. Chevrolet is 11th right under Porsche. The last generation Malibu (yeah, the one only rental fleets bought) scored highest in 2003 initial quality. The new Malibu ranked at the top for 2004.
This is JD Powers, from July 2003:J.D. Power long-term quality surveyProblems per 100 vehicles Manufacturer Score Porsche 193 Toyota 196 Honda 215 Nissan 258 BMW 262 General Motors 264 --6th, which is 6 points behind Nissan, is a good place to be.
Here is JD Powers initial quality leaders for 2004, based on 90 days of ownership:
->Compact Car Toyota Corolla Hyundai Accent Chrysler PT Cruiser (tie) Honda Civic (tie)
->Entry Midsize Car Hyundai Sonata Oldsmobile Alero Chevrolet Malibu (Wheres Camry and Accord?)
->Premium Midsize Car Buick Century Chevrolet Monte Carlo Mitsubishi Galant (tie) Toyota Avalon (tie) (The current Buick Century dates back to 1997, so its had seven years to work out any bugs. The Galant, however, is brand new.)
->Full-Size Car Mercury Grand Marquis Buick LeSabre Ford Crown Victoria
->Entry Luxury Car Acura TSX Ford Thunderbird Cadillac CTS
->Mid Luxury Car Lexus GS 300/430 Cadillac DeVille Lincoln Town Car
->Premium Luxury Car Lexus SC 430 Lexus LS 430 Cadillac XLR
->Sporty Car Dodge Stratus Coupe Toyota Celica Ford Mustang
->Premium Sports Car Porsche 911 Honda S2000 Nissan 350Z
->Compact Pickup Ford Explorer Sport Trac Ford Ranger Toyota Tacoma
->Light-Duty Full-Size Pickup Toyota Tundra Ford F-150 light duty Cadillac Escalade EXT (tie) Ford F-150 Heritage/Lightning (tie)
->Heavy-Duty Full-Size Pickup Dodge Ram heavy duty GMC Sierra heavy duty Chevrolet Silverado heavy duty
->Entry SUV Honda Element Hyundai Santa Fe Honda CR-V
->Midsize SUV Toyota 4Runner Honda Pilot Mercury Mountaineer
->Full-Size SUV Chevrolet Suburban Chevrolet Tahoe Toyota Sequoia (GM's big winner. Sadly, sales are turning into a big loser.)
->Entry Luxury SUV Lexus RX 330 Mercedes-Benz M-Class Infiniti FX-Series
->Premium Luxury SUV Lexus LX 470 Lexus GX 470 Cadillac Escalade/Escalade ESV
->Compact Van Honda Odyssey Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan Toyota Sienna
There is clear evidence that GM quality is improving. There is an obvious history of Cadillac moving forward, first in the early 90s with compelling designs and the Northstar and now again with compelling designs, unbeatable performance, much improved dependability, and incredible value.
And GM knows now that it cant rely on trucks to keep it going:http://www.detnews.com/2004/au...0.htm
Business is sink or swim, and I think we can see from GM's new products and an even greater focus on quality that drowning clearly isnt an option. Tidbit: GM recently hired a former Toyota quality chief who is partly responsible for these recent developments -- looks like a commitment to changing car culture at The General.
-Jesda
I won't quibble with any of these numbers.
Any data PAST 90 days???
Like 5 years. Or just TWO?
I, for one NEVER intended to keep my Q for 15 years... it just keep drving great and EARNED it's place. I dumped a Dodge and Ford in that period. Anybody think a caddy would have made it?
It is more cost effective for Cadillac to spend $50 million to change our PERCEPTION of their quality, that to actually change the quality. And they know that it is the quality in the first 90 days that matter to the surveys....
Ard
Any data PAST 90 days???
Like 5 years. Or just TWO?
I, for one NEVER intended to keep my Q for 15 years... it just keep drving great and EARNED it's place. I dumped a Dodge and Ford in that period. Anybody think a caddy would have made it?
It is more cost effective for Cadillac to spend $50 million to change our PERCEPTION of their quality, that to actually change the quality. And they know that it is the quality in the first 90 days that matter to the surveys....
Ard
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