Bye Bye V! Hello Prius!

[cireecnop1]

So yesterday I traded In my SL for a Touring Prius. Dang this car is sweet!!!, it has everything the V should have had including the hybrid drivetrain!. The dealer ship screwed up on my appraisal and gave me $16,000 that about $300 more than I paid for it new!!! I could not pass up this screw up, I also got the Prius for $1,000 below MSRP and a free year of Oil changes. Boy do I feel like a fat a** rat right now. Hope everyone has fun with their V's, I'll still be checking bak inhere everyonce in a while to see if anyone has bought that cool sport package.

peace out!

[proxim2020]

Man, I have to admint that's a pretty sweet deal. I'm happy you got what you want, plus a little bit extra

[BBISHOPPCM]

Why did you dump the Versa?

[cireecnop1]

Thanks Proxim,

bbishopcm, the V didn't meet my new found needs of lower emmisions, Im lately trying to reduce my impact on our planet.The V only had a ULEV emmisions rating, which was Tier2,Bin5, thats significantly higher emmisions than the Prius wich is PZEV rated In Tier2,Bin3. although the Civic Hybrid had PZEV ratings in Tier2,Bin2 which is GREAT, but the civic didnt offer traction nor any of the "goodies" the Prius did. also the V just seemed like it couldn't deal with the way I was driving it, the engine seemed to get louder and louder with the miles that i put on it. and I never really liked the Manual trans with its "hanging" rpm's.

[Nismo V]

Glad you got a Green Machine someones got to help our ozone My friend bought one a year ago for his wife they love it to here in the Bay Area they're everywhere Eco-Friendly

[Slither]

In a few years time who will want to chance buying the P off you with the expired OEM warranty and residual battery life?

[tama48]

Yeah,I am thinking about unloading my SL also. Nissan lied and mislead the public including me about the mpg on this car. I would have never bought it had I known.

[Ever Victorious]

Yeah,I am thinking about unloading my SL also. Nissan lied and mislead the public including me about the mpg on this car. I would have never bought it had I known.

And how many times do we have to tell you Nissan only posted the figures that the EPA, a GOVERNMENT agency, gave them?

And if you think the Versa's fuel economy is bad compared to its so-called advertisement (after all, they are ESTIMATES), then wait until you DO get a Prius and find out just what "misleading" means.

[Bubs daddy]

Quote »I am thinking about unloading my SL also. Nissan lied and mislead the public including me about the mpg on this car. [/quote]Tama, no matter how often you say something, it won't make it true. Nissan didn't lie about anything. As stated quite a few times, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY called the EPA states mileage figures, not Nissan.

[BBISHOPPCM]

Brian the Dog from Family Guy drove a Prius, and apparently Stewie Griffin drove it through a wall and was still drivable. Not bad.

[Bubs daddy]

Impact on the planet? LOL. What's going to happen to those batteries in five years? You can't recycle everything.

Please. Tell me you don't believe in that hysterical myth called man made global warming.

In 1980, Mt. St Helens blew her top. Ever see how much crappola was spewed from that volcano? My point is, mother nature has cooled and warmed this planet for millions of years. If it makes you feel better to drive the Pious, er Prius, go ahead.

The earth has had warm and cool periods for tens of thousands of years. There were no SUV's, no fossil fuel burning, no factories 5000 years ago. Or ten thousand. Or a million.

Enjoy your Prius but spare me the "save the planet" mantra. Cars have been over 99% clean for years. We're splitting hairs between a Prius and Versa. Really care about the environment? Walk.

And economically, the Prius doesn't make sense. A base Prius is $22,175 MSRP. A base Versa is $12, 550. You save almost $10,000. At $2.20 a gallon, $10,000 buys 4545 gallons of gas before you even turn the key of the Prius for the first time.

If your Versa even got only 28 mpg, that's 127,260 miles. Mine gets 30-31 mpg combined city/highway so that's 136,350 miles.

Look at it another way. Owning both cars for six years.

45 mpg average (the Prius does NOT get 60 mpg) over 100,000 miles at $2.20 is $4888 dollars in fuel cost.

Versa at 30 mpg average over 100,000 miles at $2.20 is $7333 in fuel costs. So you save $2445 in fuel costs driving the Prius over 100,000 miles.

But you spent $10,000 more to buy the vehicle. You're going to spend another what, $3000 for new batteries? So subtract that $2500 you saved in gas and add $13,000 in additional sticker price and batteries and now, after about six years of driving, you've spent $10,500 more for the Prius.

Gasoline prices can fluctuate but even at $3.00 a gallon, you're going to spend $6667 for the Prius in fuel and $10,000 for the Versa. So at $3.00 it's $888 more for the Versa so now you're paying a bit over $9500 for the Prius over a six year period.

Even if you add the federal tax break you receive with a Prius, you'll spend thousands more owning it than you would a Civic, Corolla, Versa or similar car. The emissions ends up being the law of diminishing returns. It's not like you're comparing a 1970 Impala to a 2005 Civic. The difference between a Prius and a Versa emissions, when you add the cost of battery disposal and installation and manufacture of battery replacement is negligible.

It may make many people ease their conscious to drive the Pious, er Prius but in the end, it's like the Hollywood celebrity that preaches enviromentalism and then burns up 1000 gallons of fuel and various emissions into the atmosphere to take a private jet to get interviewed on the other coast. Then takes another private jet back. Burning 1000 more gallons of fuel.

Then drives home in their Prius to their 10,000 square foot mansion which uses enough energy for five homes.

All because they're SO socially and environmentally concerned.

[Cowboys Fan 87]

Agree with most of Bubs.....you are trading one pollution for another. Why not take public transportation? Electric car???.....gotta burn something to make the juice, coal, oil, or uranium (I know you don't burn uranium, but you know what I'm saying.) because you can't dam every river or put a wind mill on every hill. Solar power....to few watts for the money required.

Power cells....make a car that produces water as a by product, costs around 25 grand, and that it as safe to drive and fill up as my car and I'll buy two of them.

[marleyfan]

Bubs, Of course you are right and all those scientists are wrong. The 7 billion or whatever people on the planet (more than double what is was 40 yrs ago) couldn't possibly be affecting anything. All those climate changes (which took thousands of years by the way) happened without our help. The fact that the climate is changing dramatically over the past hundred years has nothing to do with industrialization or the pollutants we spew by the kiloton into the atmosphere. I agree with your math and the economic sense of the Prius but it IS his money to spend has he sees fit. And if everyone has your attitude about the human impact on this planet then God help us.

[Ever Victorious]

Marley - Although I disagree with Bubs re: global warming, I do have to warn you on the tone you are starting to take in your response. Please keep things civil here.

Bubs - you have stated yourself eloquently and in a very calm manner. However, you must realize how polarizing an issue this is, especially on the forum dedicated to a fuel-efficient subcompact. Further antagonization may not work to your benefit, so I would also advise you to watch it as well.

Everyone - keep it civil and scientific. Nothing wrong with having a global warming discussion, but antagonizing and name-calling will not be tolerated.

[Bubs daddy]

Understood, EV.

Marley, I never said human activity doesn't impact the planet. I'm saying that man isn't the reason the earth is supposedly warming.

How many studies confirm a food or drink is bad for you and then two years later another study refutes the former study?

Here's some more reasons:

The United Nations is anti-American and anti-Capitalist. In short .. I don't trust them. Not a bit. The UN would eagerly engage in any enterprise that would weaken capitalist economies around the world.

Because after the fall of the Soviet Union and worldwide Communism many in the anti-capitalist movement moved to the environmental movement to continue pursuing their anti-free enterprise goals. Many of the loudest proponents of man-made global warming today are confirmed anti-capitalists.

Because the sun is warmer .. and all of these scientists don't seem to be willing to credit a warmer sun with any of the blame for global warming.

The polar ice caps on Mars are melting. How did our CO2 emissions get all the way to Mars?

It was warmer in the 1930s across the globe than it is right now.

It wasn't all that long ago that these very same scientists were warning us about "global cooling" and another approaching ice age?

How much has the earth warmed up in the last 100 years? One degree. Now that's frightening.

Because that famous "hockey stick" graph that purports to show a sudden warming of the earth in the last few decades is a fraud. It ignored previous warming periods ... left them off the graph altogether.

The infamous Kyoto accords exempt some of the world's biggest CO2 polluters, including China and India.

The Kyoto accords can easily be seen as nothing less than an attempt to hamstring the world's dominant capitalist economies.

Because many of these scientists who are sounding the global warming scare depend on grant money for their livelihood, and they know the grant money dries up when they stop preaching the global warming sermon.

Because global warming "activists" and scientists seek to punish those who have different viewpoints. If you are sure of your science you have no need to shout down or seek to punish those who disagree.

What happened to the Medieval Warm Period? In 1996 the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued a chart showing climatic change over a period of 1000 years. This graph showed a Medieval warming period in which global temperatures were higher than they are today. In 2001 the IPCC issued another 1000 year graph in which the Medieval warming period was missing. Why?

Why has one scientist promoting the cause of man-made global warming been quoted as saying "we have to get rid of the medieval warming period?"

Why is the ice cap on the Antarctic getting thicker if the earth is getting warmer?

In the United State, the one country with the most accurate temperature measuring and reporting records, temperatures have risen by 0.3 degrees centigrade over the past 100 years. The UN estimate is twice that.

There are about 160,000 glaciers around the world. Most have never been visited or measured by man. The great majority of these glaciers are growing, not melting.

Side-looking radar interferometry shows that the ice mass in the West Antarctic is growing at a rate of over 26 gigatons a year. This reverses a melting trend that had persisted for the previous 6,000 years.

Rising sea levels? The sea levels have been rising since the last ice age ended. That was 12,000 years ago. Estimates are that in that time the sea level has risen by over 300 feet. The rise in our sea levels has been going on long before man started creating anything but natural CO2 emissions.

Like Antarctica, the interior of Greenland is gaining ice mass.

Over the past 3,000 years there have been five different extended periods when the earth was measurably warmer than it is today.

During the last 20 years -- a period of the highest carbon dioxide levels -- global temperatures have actually decreased. That's right ... decreased.

Why did a reporter from National Public Radio refuse to interview David Deming, an associate professor at the University of Oklahoma studying global warming, after his testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee unless Deming would state that global warming was being caused by man?

Why are global warming proponents insisting that the matter is settled and that no further scientific research is needed? Why are they afraid of additional information?

On July 24, 1974 Time Magazine published an article entitled "Another Ice Age?" Here's the first paragraph: "As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."


Modified by Bubs daddy at 1:22 AM 2/5/2007

[MinisterofDOOM]

Sounds like you came out on top all around, Cireecnop! Glad to hear it.

I hope you don't disappear completely just because you ditched your V. In fact, I'd be interested in hearing your impressions of your new car--I don't know anyone with a Prius, so the only comments I've heard about the car is from magazines (most of whom I tend to disagree with more than agree with).

[cireecnop1]

Impact on the planet? LOL. What's going to happen to those batteries in five years? You can't recycle everything.

Please. Tell me you don't believe in that hysterical myth called man made global warming.

In 1980, Mt. St Helens blew her top. Ever see how much crappola was spewed from that volcano? My point is, mother nature has cooled and warmed this planet for millions of years. If it makes you feel better to drive the Pious, er Prius, go ahead.

The earth has had warm and cool periods for tens of thousands of years. There were no SUV's, no fossil fuel burning, no factories 5000 years ago. Or ten thousand. Or a million.

Enjoy your Prius but spare me the "save the planet" mantra. Cars have been over 99% clean for years. We're splitting hairs between a Prius and Versa. Really care about the environment? Walk.

And economically, the Prius doesn't make sense. A base Prius is $22,175 MSRP. A base Versa is $12, 550. You save almost $10,000. At $2.20 a gallon, $10,000 buys 4545 gallons of gas before you even turn the key of the Prius for the first time.

If your Versa even got only 28 mpg, that's 127,260 miles. Mine gets 30-31 mpg combined city/highway so that's 136,350 miles.

Look at it another way. Owning both cars for six years.

45 mpg average (the Prius does NOT get 60 mpg) over 100,000 miles at $2.20 is $4888 dollars in fuel cost.

Versa at 30 mpg average over 100,000 miles at $2.20 is $7333 in fuel costs. So you save $2445 in fuel costs driving the Prius over 100,000 miles.

But you spent $10,000 more to buy the vehicle. You're going to spend another what, $3000 for new batteries? So subtract that $2500 you saved in gas and add $13,000 in additional sticker price and batteries and now, after about six years of driving, you've spent $10,500 more for the Prius.

Gasoline prices can fluctuate but even at $3.00 a gallon, you're going to spend $6667 for the Prius in fuel and $10,000 for the Versa. So at $3.00 it's $888 more for the Versa so now you're paying a bit over $9500 for the Prius over a six year period.

Even if you add the federal tax break you receive with a Prius, you'll spend thousands more owning it than you would a Civic, Corolla, Versa or similar car. The emissions ends up being the law of diminishing returns. It's not like you're comparing a 1970 Impala to a 2005 Civic. The difference between a Prius and a Versa emissions, when you add the cost of battery disposal and installation and manufacture of battery replacement is negligible.

It may make many people ease their conscious to drive the Pious, er Prius but in the end, it's like the Hollywood celebrity that preaches enviromentalism and then burns up 1000 gallons of fuel and various emissions into the atmosphere to take a private jet to get interviewed on the other coast. Then takes another private jet back. Burning 1000 more gallons of fuel.

Then drives home in their Prius to their 10,000 square foot mansion which uses enough energy for five homes.

All because they're SO socially and environmentally concerned.

*********************************okay i stopped reading after your first (incredibly wrong) sentence!

If you dont believe that we are causing problems with the planets atmosphere, intern creating warmer summers and oh gee what was it i think two days ago a TORNADO!!!!! in Florida! then you have other issues.I bought a Prius to reduce the emmissions from my driving to Denver and back! I live 2 blocks away from my job, guess what I ride a bike, even if my job was 20 blocks away I would. I recycle what I can and get as many other people as I can to recycle also, So lets just say that I am doing my best to save OUR Planet as I can! so, you're welcome! dont worry about I'll just cut back on my Thermostat to slightly off-set the emmisions that you are obviously spewing into OUR PLANETS ATMOSPHERE!

Hysterical MYTH , HA!!!!! let me guess you have stock in EXXON, or perhaps youre a politician?

Thank you for anyone on this forum that might actually understand what I am talking about.
Modified by cireecnop1 at 7:53 AM 2/5/2007

[cireecnop1]

And how many times do we have to tell you Nissan only posted the figures that the EPA, a GOVERNMENT agency, gave them?

And if you think the Versa's fuel economy is bad compared to its so-called advertisement (after all, they are ESTIMATES), then wait until you DO get a Prius and find out just what "misleading" means.

EV is right, the estimates for the Prius are higher than what it gets, I bought this car In Springs, its about 50 miles north of my town, on the way back at about 70mph, I averaged 51 mpg. supposedly on the other Prius forums they state that they get MPG boosts after the initial break in which is 600miles then another boost after the 6000 miles point. Its about 3x's as much as a Versa but its good looking too! I'll post some picks here in a bit.

[versainchicago]

Congratulations on dumping the Versa SL!!!!

[cireecnop1]

In a few years time who will want to chance buying the P off you with the expired OEM warranty and residual battery life?

The battery has a 8yr 100,000mi warranty and I got a deal on an extended bumper-to-bumper warrant from a Prius forum, it was $850 for a 7yr 70,000 mi warranty from Toyota. that works for me, besides in 09 the Prius will switch to a Lithium Ion battery pack, its supposedly lighter and interchangeable with the Old Nickel ones.

[proxim2020]

I have to agree with everyone (way to sit on the fence huh). The earth has been heating and cooling for 4.5 billion years. But we are doing our part on this heating cycle. I think it's just the new hot topic in the media. It's a strong horse that they can ride until it falls dead. Other horses that were ridden include stem cell research (still alive), Monica Lewinsky scandal (C'mon the most powerful man can't get any on the job ), and save the rain forest campaign of the 80's (the media would have you believe that were all air generates from). The problem is that most people get their information from the media who are no where near experts. They are the ones promoting what you can call hysteria. If I remember correctly, there was an Ice Age. If my memory of science class serves me well, there have been 4 separate Ice Ages. We know the earth heats up and cools off. Check the stats from the geometric south pole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...t.png

Now on the flip side, we are doing our part to help the heating, but so is nature. Cows turn almost 10% of everything they consume turns into methane gas from burping and farting (I live in Texas, you learn these things). Our cars, factories, refineries, energy use produces greenhouse gases. The more that's there, the warmer we get, the bigger the hole in the ozone stays. So we do our part, but to say that it all humans (the media) or all natural would be faulty at best. We can still do our part though. Using less of everything will help out. Everything needs to be truck, shipped, or railed across the country. It was probably produced in some factory. In theory, by reducing how much we consume, we reduce the amount of waste in the form of pollutants and general trash.

On another topic, NASA reported last year that the hole in the ozone will stop growing sometime between 2010 and 2020. After that, it will begin to repair itself. It should be closed and returned to it's pre-1970's level by 2050.

*I'm no expert so fell free to rail me if you find something wrong.

[versabundus]

I think we need to put things in perspective. The scientists are saying that people are ACCELERATING Global warming, not causing it. Hard to argue with that.

[cireecnop1]

I agree with versabundus, we are accelerating it alright and at a rapid pace.

proxim2020, I appreciate you supportive input however on the fence it may be, I think there were 7 iceages, but the planet has NEVER in 600,000 years, had as much CO2 in the atmosphere as it has had in the last 50 years. And good point bringing up the cows thing, they do create methane gas from their manure, but think about how many cows there are out there now just to feed the Billions of people that are on this planet, as well as the Automobiles,Tranes, Ships, and Planes there are just to keep us moving on this globe. I have always ,to the best of my financial ability, been eco-friendly, but I recently watched the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" and it just put every thing I already knew into perspective. and I think now that we drastically lowered our use of CFC's the hole in the OZONE is no longer as big an issue as it used to be. Now the focus is Pollution in the form of greenhouse gases and smog.

"shooting star, and the more you know"

[stevenjb]

I drove a Prius for 2 days as a loaner. It is a nice car.

I am on the fence about any car being friendly to the environment. Whatever fuel it uses (gas, hydrogen, electric) there is an environmental cost in producing that fuel.

On the hybrid (gas-electric) options, I tend to lean towards the partial-hybrid system (used in Saturn Vue Greenline and Honda) - where the car uses a small electric motor to spin the engine while the car is idle. This idle time has been known to be the big producer of pollutants in the environment.

I don't see the need for a full hybrid system in the lessening of pollutants in the environment. Plus the added cost ($5,000-$7,000) for the full hybrid system does not justify the benefit.

Cars need to be lighter. More fuel is used to push the car than the occupants inside.

[Bubs daddy]

Quote »If you dont believe that we are causing problems with the planets atmosphere, intern creating warmer summers and oh gee what was it i think two days ago a TORNADO!!!!! in Florida! then you have other issues.[/quote]LOL. So Florida has never had a tornado? Last year everyone was screaming about global warming causing so many hurricanes. How many hurricanes hit the US this year? ZERO.

Let me get this straight. You think the tornados that touched down in Florida are proof that man made global warming exists.

I got news, tornados have been present for longer than cars have been on the earth. Much, Much longer.

I don't even know where to begin to dissect your misinformation. How do you know what the CO2 level was 600,000 years ago? How can you determine what CO2 is emitted from cars and from nature?

You've bought into the man made global warming myth. It's a theory. Do you believe the CEO's of the tobacco companies when they say smoking doesn't cause cancer? They testified to that before congress.

And I don't believe a bunch of professors with a socialist anti capitalist agenda.

Quote »okay i stopped reading after your first (incredibly wrong) sentence! [/quote]So that's how you form an opinion. You believe just what you want to hear. I can say pigs fly but it doesn't make it true.

[Bubs daddy]

Quote »I have always ,to the best of my financial ability, been eco-friendly, but I recently watched the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" and it just put every thing I already knew into perspective. [/quote]So you just listen to one side of the story. No wonder you're misinformed.

[versabundus]

So you just listen to one side of the story. No wonder you're misinformed.

You ,as well, seem to be stuck on your slant. It's good that we have people who are over zealous. It kind of makes up for the do-nothings. Balance is the important thing. Moderation in all things. Nice thought , but don't see that happening.

[Robi]

We will see what you get for your Prius when you trade it in and then add that to the loss which one forum member outlined in a most verbose way. It's gotta hurt but then you must have deep pockets.

[cireecnop1]

We will see what you get for your Prius when you trade it in and then add that to the loss which one forum member outlined in a most verbose way. It's gotta hurt but then you must have deep pockets.

I don't understand what you mean, The Prius holds its value great! alot better than the V, all the other dealerships in town and out of town wanted $10,000! for trade. this one dealership I got lucky with and they gave me $16,000 oh well their loss. besides, I will be holding onto this car for a very very long time.

hasn't anyone ever told you that cars are a losing game, if you expect to make a profit on cars then I think you are the one that should expect some pain.

[cireecnop1]

LOL. So Florida has never had a tornado? Last year everyone was screaming about global warming causing so many hurricanes. How many hurricanes hit the US this year? ZERO.

Let me get this straight. You think the tornados that touched down in Florida are proof that man made global warming exists.

I got news, tornados have been present for longer than cars have been on the earth. Much, Much longer.

I don't even know where to begin to dissect your misinformation. How do you know what the CO2 level was 600,000 years ago? How can you determine what CO2 is emitted from cars and from nature?

You've bought into the man made global warming myth. It's a theory. Do you believe the CEO's of the tobacco companies when they say smoking doesn't cause cancer? They testified to that before congress.

And I don't believe a bunch of professors with a socialist anti capitalist agenda.

So that's how you form an opinion. You believe just what you want to hear. I can say pigs fly but it doesn't make it true.

okay for one,.... If you read a previoous thread I agreed that we are accelerating the problem not just causing it.

and two,.. I think that we will be here arguing till we die, since obviously you seem to be more on the religous end of this. with the planet being billions and billions of years old (or so a bunch of professors with a socialist anti capitalist agenda tell us) we can analyze the Ice that formed on this planet 600,000 years ago. And in response to your statement about the difference between natural CO2 and "Man-Made" CO2 is that we know how many cars there are on this planet and we can measure the amount of CO2 each and everyone of them emits. I think its this new thing that the scientists created called Adding and Mulitplying.

Just to get this straight, you know that cars are not the only thing that emits CO2 right? there are factories, Powerplants, nearly all forms of transportation, Heating your home. None of those are NATURALLY ocurring, therefore its something this planet, (AKA mother NATURE) <-----notice the root word spells Natural, can't fix.