Budgeting A Build, A Few Q's

[Patrick_S13,5]

for 300bhp you dont even need to bother to open the engine..
if the engine has decent milage and is healthy just leave it as it is.

some parts i can recommend for your use:

- nistune ECU
- garret gt2860rs or gt2871r ar64
- sard 800cc injectors
- exhaust cam on the intake side
- some random exhaust manifold, just check that the welds are good before you put it on
- xtreme / act clutch

if you do need to rebuild the engine, you can just use OEM parts like new pistonrings,waterpump,oilpump, and MLS headgasket 1mm is good. you can also change the mainbearings and rod bearings to acl or similar. no use in wasting money on expensive pistons, rods etc when you only run 300bhp, the stock internals can handle up to 400bhp+ it all depends on how you treat your engine!
remember oil changes, check the oil level, oilcooler and warm it up good before you push it.

[s13drifter88]

^^^^^ ^^^^^

for 300 a small turbo upgrade with fuel/maf/tune is all thats needed. a manifold is actually not required either but can help flow on top where the CA gets happy. CA16 cams would rock with a t28 turbo too, im sure you could find a set pretty cheap and they drop right in

[dash]

I've done my research so don't knock me like that, it's very ignorant of you.

is it ? the mere fact that the 'truth' about gt bb turbos "annoys" you, implys u r a fanboy.
Research would've told u that. If u find anything I've posted inaccurate, untrue or misleading, please correct it.

If you would have read my post, I said I agree that t3 turbos are very good and easily produce that power, but why go through all that trouble if ts not needed

All what trouble ??? ....he mentions he's locked into a T3 flanged xs mani in 1st post.

I can't say exactly because there's so much custom work in all the swaps the people do, not only in the motor swap, but in the suspension and steering modifications done. However, most of turbo swaps I've seen documented are top mount.

[dash]

where did he say he had a top mount mani? 2, how is going top mount budget friendly

and you r ensuring him as FACT, that a bottom mount will clear in a 510 ?
I have a 1976 left hand drive datsun b210, and a big ol steering box say otherwise. Nightmare

Screw hype? I think waaaaaayyy to many GT28xx's sell to just be hype. and dont tell me they cost more either. the turbo does yes (speaking in terms of new 2860 or 2871) but to move to t3 no. whats a good mani cost, $500ish? turbo, $700? wastegate, $250ish? throw away your perfectly good 3" O2 housing and downpipe? unless your going for 400hp or more it honestly sounds stupid to me to do such.

yes, "hype" targets mindless sheep. ez pray. Bolt-on T2 convenience is what sold em. Good turbos
Many r fine with $100 manifolds. He can run a $150 used T3 with int gate/300hp. He doesn't have any 3" O2 to throw away. Where r u gettin these crazy numbers$$$ ?

I dont see the need to go thru all that just in case the hp bug ever bites. I like dogs, but Im not going to buy dog food just in case I get a dog.

because u r narrow minded and short sighted. Read my evoIII 16g comment below

Rom tune - JWT or Enthalpy = $4-500

Several members posted their negative experiences with JWT "mail order" tunes, and here you are recommending he gamble $4-500 on one ? After all these years in business, why doesn't JWT have the CA18 tuning game on lock ? figure that out. Think! can u ?
...and who the hell needs "enthalpy" to tune their CA18. Silly fanboy
My suggestion; search for various 'proven' CA18 chip sources, buried in threads on this forum.

Injectors - Deatschwerks or RC 550's = $350

For years, the vast majority of us CA owners been enjoying dirt cheap/free used injectors;
444s/rb26 or gtir, 450s/dsm, 550s/rx7, 510/evo, and so on
Appropriate for a "budget" build.... but nooooo, u suggest he 'wastes' $350

You always talk about sxoc, so much. Why the hell are you on here??

err... because its a gold mine of quality information ? .... with most of the sharpest minds, best, most versatile, most powerful CA18 builds.... not to mention the longest production run of ca18det powered cars. Of course, an idiot will find no value in any of this

What people do with their ford's and dsm's is of little concern to the majority of us.

a testiment of pure ignorance.
Miata BP turbos perform excellent on CA18s... but noooo, better to chose a CA18 turbo because of "my best friends 700hp twin turbo V6"..... and you're giving advice on nico ??????
Years back, I suggested an evoIII 16g for CA18. Since then, more than a few have posted their excellent feedback. Perfect responsive 300hp turbo, but has hit 400hp cranked up. At under $500 brand new, int wastegate included... it costs half of your overratted overpriced gt28xx. A fanboy will never realize or understand this.
Ideal for a budget build u reckon ? I do. I chose one for my ca18 ae86 corolla

For my tuning; SAFC II + z32 afm + used 450/DSMs, on stock ecu, will do fine initially
I'll make a short runner, steampipe manifold... = superior performance, from experience

In fact, this is a very capable budget friendly 300hp CA18 recipee that would rip in a 510.
Does it work ?
A member runs a very similar setup ....read his feedback on how it performs in a heavier S12.
Also, a while back, I posted a link to street ae86 tuned via same hardware.... goes nuts with a small T04e. Says car is insane @22psi, so turned down to 10psi on the street

Soooooo many proven ways to setup a "hot" CA18. Knowledge is the key

[sjbsuperman1425]

alright "dash" listen..

you can sit here and try and make yourself seem "big and bad", but you are just making yourself look ignorant. Plain and Simple.
I can't read anywhere where I've said "ball bearing" turbos were just the best and can't really read where your argument to make t3 turbos better is. The simple fact is they are both good setups and both streetable. The T28's are a easy and relatively cheap bolt-on turbo that utilize the factory manifold. Its not a bad setup. FACT! How me liking an easy, proven setup makes me a fanboy is beyond me, but whatever makes you e-pen15 feel larger I guess..

and the OP didn't really specifiy he needed a top mount turbo setup to clear any sort of steering box in the 510. I live in the "great state of Michigan" and I will tell you, there are few to any 240's and even LESS Datsuns in this small city, so forgive me if I dont know everything about this car.

I could sit here and thrown down on you, but I'm not going to. Just share the info you have without trying to insult people and making yourself look like a dumbass. Its really quite pathetic. Have a nice day..

BTW - I got my Ball Bearing T28 for $300 which is under (according to you) what I'd pay for a EvoIII 16g. Plus, from looking at this thread, it seems that a evoIII 16g isnt a bolt on affair like SOME OF US LIKE.

So where can you get a "real" big 16g?

they used to offer them ~$460 2 years ago. $545 nowhttp://www.turbochargers.com/s...id/68

big-16g-or-20g-t345782.html

[cdkilla]

These arguments are quite amusing...

[sjbsuperman1425]

I dont find them amusing or really worth my while so I'm done with it...but the OP did get the info he wanted didn't he? haha

[s13drifter88]

Well Im assuming numbers from the vast majority of swaps done and while they are all not done the same as we all kno but there is still a simple set of procedures that are commonly followed when doing one. The throwing away a 3" dump is an Illustration of: Hey I did and SR swap in my 240, when i did it I went ahead and got a megan, cx or wtf-ever you bought O2 housing and downpipe. It was to give an idea of going from one to the other, I AM NOT SAYING EVERYBODY HAS ONE. The rest of my numbers come from fact of unit cost.

Im not going to get to heavy into bb vs jb with you... again... seeing as how Ive already said what IS PROVEN F**KING FACT you ignoramous. But here is an idea for you since I could care less to try to convince you of truth but rather keep you from posting garbage, misleading information. GTBB IS NOT HYPE. I dont care if its a 2871, 3582 or GT60. 90% of the top performing turbo kits out there utilize a ball bearing setup. Several dont but we already know this. I have personally had the luxury of being able to compare a jb s14 t28 to a bb s15 t28. it was about 300rpm sooner on base wastegate pressure. it really began to shine and make itself apparent when boost was increased. the bb t28 made 20psi about 400rpm faster than the jb 28 made 16psi. not a big diff until you take into consideration the additional time it would have taken the jb 28 to reach 20psi had the car been equipped to run such boost pressure. the cars these were in was a 96 s14 240sx with of coarse the s14 sr swap and the I even got the luxury to drive the beatiful s15 that afternoon after riding in Jacobs in s14.

Now to make myself clear, I have never once disagreed with you that the t3/t4's dont perform, they do. They rip unholy hell. But as far as the effort to make the move from t2 to t3 for a simple 300hp is not justifiable, in labor or price. These 16g's you continue to masterbate over in half of all your posts, show me one that will bolt up directly to my t2 manifold, for the price you stated above and dont send me the ebay link for that t2 20G for 700 int w/g. I want to see this 16g that is DIRECT BOLT ON for this price, cause I dont think it exists but I kno my 2871 and my S15 t28 (gt2560r) do exist and with a little clocking will bolt on to my stock manifold.

Now for my buddy Chris's 300tt. Where the hell did you get the idea that I recommend using CA turbos exactly? Those poor little things are so anemic that they barely break 200whp. I would have sworn, as I spelled it all out in dumbass for you, that there is a PAIR, meaning 2, gt2871's on that vg30. 700hp is nothing to scoff at and with a z32 there isnt much space to work with so going big nasty hockin hair dryer there takes some serious shoe horning. Again, the bolt on affair was chosen for results.

I suggest he spend $350. Your d*mn right I am, cause when you do you get a nice pretty flow report with a warranty and great customer service. If i buy a set of rb26 injectors from billy-joe-bob on here its sold as is. meaning that if one craps out in 6 months your out an injector, oops... time to spend some more $. I buy one time and get my money's worth with some peice of mind. Im not saying everything comes with the greatest and longest warranty out there seeing as how this is the hi-po industry but atleast you get an out of the box, free from defects, not DOA, factory supported garantee.

And yes your continuous down grading of the gtbb does annoy me cause what your saying is BULLSH*T!!! This is supposed to be useful informative forum, not hack, weld and jimmy-rig your turbo setup.com If this is the info you to offer us from your beloved SXOC (claiming that it is quality info from the most brilliant minds) I dont think I really want to talk to anyone from there, esp if they all have their head up their a** like you do. Im glad you like t3/t4 and I like t3/t4 but for what we are discussing its pointless. theres no reason to over complicate and reinvent the wheel non something as simple as building a 300hp ca18.

Im also happy you dont like rom tunes but to say theyre some super risky gamble is more BS. everybody has at some point has had a bad experience from something or another as well as good. Guess what, it happen with some of the best manufacturers in the world. Greddy, HKS, Tomei, OE Nissan, Auto Zone parts and electronics. Theres goofs everywhere in this world and in this business and to single out someone entirely is about twice past stupid. There have been people that have had a bad experience with AEM's EMS and Nistune. That doesnt mean they suck.

Its more than fine for you to post your preference of turbocharger but dont pollute this forum with inaccurate and misleading info. It'll lead to more threads about people having the same questions about the same things and weeding out credible info will become more difficult for those out there that need helpful advice and insight.

[s13drifter88]

Hey I just totally met DASH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVb3leL5F3M

[float_6969]

Wow, Ladies, that's enough. The last thing I want in my forum is this crap. If you want to see who's clit is bigger, take it in GenChat. You guys have puked all over this thread.

OP, sorry about all this. This stuff NEVER happens in the CA18 forum. I hope you're not too turned off by all this and will continue to post with us. I'm locking this thread (First thread I've locked in here for something like this in YEARS). If you have any further questions, please feel free to make a new thread.

[boost_boy]

D@mn-it! I missed the fireworks.....Been a long time since we had a "Bukaki Sauce" contest Lockage was smart "float-a-cus"