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My favorite snippet from MST of all time, the movie was "Terror from the Year 5000", scene was a lone guy rowing a boat up onto the shore and jumping out-Crow's voice-over:"June 5, 1944..........I was early."
Being a bit of a WWII history buff that just struck a nerve, I had to pause the movie I was laughing so hard. (If anyone doesn't remember, June 6, 1944 was D-Day, the initial landings for the Allied invasion of Europe)
Being a bit of a WWII history buff that just struck a nerve, I had to pause the movie I was laughing so hard. (If anyone doesn't remember, June 6, 1944 was D-Day, the initial landings for the Allied invasion of Europe)
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i agree, tho ive eaten dinner with a college foot ball player b4 and he ment well, just not too swift, what gets me is these people do NOTHING at all, and make millions, anyone can act and come on, playing foot ball isnt that hard, the people that should be making millions is the people building our homes and picking up our trash, accully helping socity.. these actors and such are just handed everything, it makes me sick..
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AZhitman wrote:Ditto that.
Except for the Discovery Channel, the history Channel, TLC, and NFL football (and sometimes SportsCenter), I watch no TV.
Too stupid.
same here, discovery, tlc, history and somtimes comedy central, and cartoon network late at night for family guy
99% of tv just sucks and rots your mind.. lol
Quote »anyone can act and come on, playing foot ball isnt that hard, the people that should be making millions is the people building our homes and picking up our trash, accully helping socity.. these actors and such are just handed everything, it makes me sick..[/quote]
Well, the difference is that a relatively tiny percentage of people are professional athletes or actors. The reason they can make so much money is because that money comes from millions and millions of people buying movie and game tickets, merchandise, etc., and there's not that many people collecting that money. They're high-profile positions that only a few people hold. If everybody could act and play professional sports, most everyone would. Nobody is handed anything, this is for the most part a free-market economy, if the market wasn't there to support those people making all that money, they wouldn't. Sure, we could say that people building houses have to make millions, then of course no one could afford to buy a house. Trash pickup is usually paid for by your taxes, how much would you have to be taxed to pay millions of dollars to thousands of sanitation workers?
Well, the difference is that a relatively tiny percentage of people are professional athletes or actors. The reason they can make so much money is because that money comes from millions and millions of people buying movie and game tickets, merchandise, etc., and there's not that many people collecting that money. They're high-profile positions that only a few people hold. If everybody could act and play professional sports, most everyone would. Nobody is handed anything, this is for the most part a free-market economy, if the market wasn't there to support those people making all that money, they wouldn't. Sure, we could say that people building houses have to make millions, then of course no one could afford to buy a house. Trash pickup is usually paid for by your taxes, how much would you have to be taxed to pay millions of dollars to thousands of sanitation workers?
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not anybody can act, ever watched ashton kutcher on anything?
the only thing he can play well is a moron, coincidence? I think not!
they also have to put up with people like us blasting them all the time and turn the other cheek to us or else they'd look like douchebags for whining and crying about it.
the only thing he can play well is a moron, coincidence? I think not!
they also have to put up with people like us blasting them all the time and turn the other cheek to us or else they'd look like douchebags for whining and crying about it.
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cls12vg30 wrote:Well, the difference is that a relatively tiny percentage of people are professional athletes or actors. The reason they can make so much money is because that money comes from millions and millions of people buying movie and game tickets, merchandise, etc., and there's not that many people collecting that money. They're high-profile positions that only a few people hold. If everybody could act and play professional sports, most everyone would. Nobody is handed anything, this is for the most part a free-market economy, if the market wasn't there to support those people making all that money, they wouldn't. Sure, we could say that people building houses have to make millions, then of course no one could afford to buy a house. Trash pickup is usually paid for by your taxes, how much would you have to be taxed to pay millions of dollars to thousands of sanitation workers?
true but u have to understand that i was just trying to make a pont
not that evey one should make millions, its just that what they do is easy and the fact that they make all that money doing a job that is not that hard kinda angers me, look at doctors they are one of the people that make a ton of money and accully help socity (sp?) and for that reason they should make the money the do, i understand why movie stars make so much money, and hey more power to them.. i just wish i could make that kinda money.. i just think it sucks that people out there working their *** off everyday get so little pay.. but thats what keeps everything working i guess.
cls12vg30 wrote:Well, the difference is that a relatively tiny percentage of people are professional athletes or actors. The reason they can make so much money is because that money comes from millions and millions of people buying movie and game tickets, merchandise, etc., and there's not that many people collecting that money. They're high-profile positions that only a few people hold. If everybody could act and play professional sports, most everyone would.
There is some insight in this, but I don't agree with the proportional judgment.
Yes, they make the money because theyare a small group in large society.But it was <serendipity> as much as anything, that set them up.
100 years ago, no mass market existed for "professional" ( an oxymoron) athletes and actors.Such had before always been considered the absolute lowest in society, the poverty line PPL, that worked the traveling circuses.
Even today, neither of those 2 groups make anything real.
Take sports teams, what if the top 50% of all players suddenly died?
It would make absolutley no difference, because games are contest of <relative> skill measured <relative> to the other team.
So if all teams dropped a class, in skill, it wouldnt affect anything.
In todays time ,many actors don't act very well and take many takes and the only difference between a college student acting in a school play, is the size of the audience, as well as perhaps a lack of polish ,that comes from lack of experience.
I think what we can all agree on is the fact that those incomes are out of proportion with those PPL contributions to society.
This has been made possible by modern Mass media which reduces everything to the lowest common denominator .So what does everyone have in common?We all remember our childhood games, so we like to relive those by watching it, those advertising dollars are the economic engine driving those obcene salaries to million dollar neanderthals.
Solution?
Dont watch sports.I never do.when Stephon marbury told me "I play for the twins" (or whatever it was) I wasnt sure if he was talking baseball, basket ball, or football and really didnt care.
Its' all grownups doing childsplay on TV.
Yes, they got very good at it, because they have been doing it for many years longer than children do it ,and have better bodies to back it up than children do, but the games are just that, --> <games>, still childsplay, designed to help growing humans develop hand-eye coordination.
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Wow Fred. That was very well thought out and presented. In essence you are absolutely right. It is childsplay. (albeit i think sports is a blast), but that's all it is. It's worth amounts to how much entertainment is produced that we enjoy. Beyond that, it really doesn't "produce" or "contribute" anything.
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PalmerWMD wrote:when Stephon marbury told me "I play for the twins" (or whatever it was) I wasnt sure if he was talking baseball, basket ball, or football and really didnt care.
Fred..
He played for the Minnesota Timberwolves early in his career before being traded to the Nets and then to Suns and now to the....oh I forgot, this is a celebrity-bashing thread.
While I don't know about it being fixed, sports is largely about the money these days, but like so many others I still enjoy it, though in small quantities compared to others. I have couple NFL teams that I follow, and a couple NHL. Never got much into baseball, and never got into basketball at ALL.
On one hand, it is child's play, on the other hand during the season many athletes do put a lot of effort and commitment into their play, especially football players. As for their salaries, as far as I'm concerned that's the business of the people writing the checks and no one else. Everyone has the choice not to tune in, not to buy a ticket, not to buy the merchandise. Some people do get way too into sports and neglect other responsibilities (Like people who will never miss a home game and will start tailgating at 7am but can't get around to voting).
My biggest problem is when media types start throwing the word "hero" around in reference to athletes. Few if any athletes would qualify as heroes. Look to someone in uniform sworn to defend their country with their life, that's a hero. Look to firefighters rushing up a staircase when everyone else is frantically trying to get down, those are heroes. Even if they are the best in the world, no one should be called a hero for playing games that little boys can play.
On one hand, it is child's play, on the other hand during the season many athletes do put a lot of effort and commitment into their play, especially football players. As for their salaries, as far as I'm concerned that's the business of the people writing the checks and no one else. Everyone has the choice not to tune in, not to buy a ticket, not to buy the merchandise. Some people do get way too into sports and neglect other responsibilities (Like people who will never miss a home game and will start tailgating at 7am but can't get around to voting).
My biggest problem is when media types start throwing the word "hero" around in reference to athletes. Few if any athletes would qualify as heroes. Look to someone in uniform sworn to defend their country with their life, that's a hero. Look to firefighters rushing up a staircase when everyone else is frantically trying to get down, those are heroes. Even if they are the best in the world, no one should be called a hero for playing games that little boys can play.
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Fred, I'm inclined to disagree, respectfully, with some of your statements.
Serendipity has little to do with the success of most modern pro-athletes and actors. Their success and positions in the heirarchy of their respective industries and yes, professions, are fruits of their own labor. Michael Jordan didn't become one of the most famous faces, sports or otherwise, in history just because he had the good fortune of being tall. He was an obsessive workaholic who trained religiously throughout his childhood, regularly spending 12-15 hours a day shooting hoops. In college he spent years refining his hand-eye coordination, practicing thousands of shots a day, submitting his body to rigorous training regimens and strict diets, spent hours ever week studying his opponents' tendencies and weaknesses and reviewing the playbook. This was a college kid with tremendous work ethic, an accomplished leader on and off the court who through sheer diligence and determination willed his way to being one of the greatest sports figures of our era. Every year there are thousands of athletes who've triumphed over poverty, academics, etc. to succeed at the college level and even make the even more difficult crossover to professional sports. False is the myth that anyone can stroll onto a basketball court and be a good player if only he/she was blessed with the height. It takes a lot of hard work and talent, let me tell you that.
Acting is an art. People respect composers, painters, sculptors, etc. because it's something they're unnaccustomed to and can't associate with. It involves things that are not part of daily life; thus when you hear a symphony or observe a painting, it's noteworthy. However, the purpose of acting (at least realism-based acting) is to act true to life. Thus, when you see a truly great actor, it feels natural, easy-to-do, certainly nowhere near as difficult as singing falsetto in opera, right? This is why every day, throngs of people decide to become actors. After all, it's just reading lines, right? But every day, tons of people quit because it's not as easy as it looks. And acting not being a real profession?True there are some lackadaisical actors out there-probably why the acting profession gets a bad name. But there are a myriad of hard-working actors out there that pour their heart and soul into their craft.
For example a friend of mine was involved in a play called A Bright Room Called Day by Tony Kushner. It takes place in Germany right as the Nazi's are establishing themselves as the ruling party. He played a member of the Communist party. To prepare, he read an exhaustive amount of historical texts and essays, researched his character's tendencies and idiosynchrasies, took lessons in geneology and accents, studied the script, along with Kushner's other scripts to adjust to his style, read critical essays on approaches to the Kushner style. All this was in addition, of course, to going to rehearsal every night, memorizing the script, and "saying the lines."
Compare that with my profession as an animator. My job encompasses little more than drawing, digitizing the drawing and programming simple strands of code. Sounds like a tall task but it is a real job isn't it? Our underlining purpose as a company is to serve as a harbinger of videogaming cellphones so we do produce a real-world product. So according to your rationale, since actors don't produce a thing or service you can actually use, it isn't real? Most jobs involve nothing more than doing repetitive tasks day after day, while many actors have to reinvent themselves according to their roles. Whether you like it or not, acting is the cardinal piece of any picture. I happen to think the medium of film is as good as important, if not more, than any other artform, literary or musical forms.
And for every classless athlete and snobby actor, there's a Mo Vaughn or Danny Glover out there. Mo Vaughn was a tireless benefactor of some local charities here, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on homeless shelters and childrens programs and regularly attended goodwill banquets. Danny Glover is an ambassador for hunger programs worldwide and his donated millions out of his own pocket to help. I just think it's unfair to generalize and in some cases demonize all celebrities of being self-centered, feeble-minded SOB's when it isn't always the case.
Oliver Stone said it best when he said that entertainment was a reflection of society. Why do you think the media giants drape the teen landscape with shallow, sexual narcissists like Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake? Why have entertainment for the simple-minded like the hordes of reality shows, Jackass, etc. contributed to the national ouevre? It's because people are paying. I don't think the actors and athletes should shoulder the blame so much as the tv-viewing public. The current sad state of entertainment is a staggering indictment of our society, the acting and sports professions aren't the ones to blame here.
-Madison
Serendipity has little to do with the success of most modern pro-athletes and actors. Their success and positions in the heirarchy of their respective industries and yes, professions, are fruits of their own labor. Michael Jordan didn't become one of the most famous faces, sports or otherwise, in history just because he had the good fortune of being tall. He was an obsessive workaholic who trained religiously throughout his childhood, regularly spending 12-15 hours a day shooting hoops. In college he spent years refining his hand-eye coordination, practicing thousands of shots a day, submitting his body to rigorous training regimens and strict diets, spent hours ever week studying his opponents' tendencies and weaknesses and reviewing the playbook. This was a college kid with tremendous work ethic, an accomplished leader on and off the court who through sheer diligence and determination willed his way to being one of the greatest sports figures of our era. Every year there are thousands of athletes who've triumphed over poverty, academics, etc. to succeed at the college level and even make the even more difficult crossover to professional sports. False is the myth that anyone can stroll onto a basketball court and be a good player if only he/she was blessed with the height. It takes a lot of hard work and talent, let me tell you that.
Acting is an art. People respect composers, painters, sculptors, etc. because it's something they're unnaccustomed to and can't associate with. It involves things that are not part of daily life; thus when you hear a symphony or observe a painting, it's noteworthy. However, the purpose of acting (at least realism-based acting) is to act true to life. Thus, when you see a truly great actor, it feels natural, easy-to-do, certainly nowhere near as difficult as singing falsetto in opera, right? This is why every day, throngs of people decide to become actors. After all, it's just reading lines, right? But every day, tons of people quit because it's not as easy as it looks. And acting not being a real profession?True there are some lackadaisical actors out there-probably why the acting profession gets a bad name. But there are a myriad of hard-working actors out there that pour their heart and soul into their craft.
For example a friend of mine was involved in a play called A Bright Room Called Day by Tony Kushner. It takes place in Germany right as the Nazi's are establishing themselves as the ruling party. He played a member of the Communist party. To prepare, he read an exhaustive amount of historical texts and essays, researched his character's tendencies and idiosynchrasies, took lessons in geneology and accents, studied the script, along with Kushner's other scripts to adjust to his style, read critical essays on approaches to the Kushner style. All this was in addition, of course, to going to rehearsal every night, memorizing the script, and "saying the lines."
Compare that with my profession as an animator. My job encompasses little more than drawing, digitizing the drawing and programming simple strands of code. Sounds like a tall task but it is a real job isn't it? Our underlining purpose as a company is to serve as a harbinger of videogaming cellphones so we do produce a real-world product. So according to your rationale, since actors don't produce a thing or service you can actually use, it isn't real? Most jobs involve nothing more than doing repetitive tasks day after day, while many actors have to reinvent themselves according to their roles. Whether you like it or not, acting is the cardinal piece of any picture. I happen to think the medium of film is as good as important, if not more, than any other artform, literary or musical forms.
And for every classless athlete and snobby actor, there's a Mo Vaughn or Danny Glover out there. Mo Vaughn was a tireless benefactor of some local charities here, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on homeless shelters and childrens programs and regularly attended goodwill banquets. Danny Glover is an ambassador for hunger programs worldwide and his donated millions out of his own pocket to help. I just think it's unfair to generalize and in some cases demonize all celebrities of being self-centered, feeble-minded SOB's when it isn't always the case.
Oliver Stone said it best when he said that entertainment was a reflection of society. Why do you think the media giants drape the teen landscape with shallow, sexual narcissists like Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake? Why have entertainment for the simple-minded like the hordes of reality shows, Jackass, etc. contributed to the national ouevre? It's because people are paying. I don't think the actors and athletes should shoulder the blame so much as the tv-viewing public. The current sad state of entertainment is a staggering indictment of our society, the acting and sports professions aren't the ones to blame here.
-Madison
victim_of_a_down wrote:He played for the Minnesota Timberwolves early in his career before being traded to the Nets and then to Suns and now to the....oh I forgot, this is a celebrity-bashing thread.
that makes sense cuz it was in the twin cities and it also starts w/ a "T".I am kinda proud of my ignorance in thesematters.
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cls12vg30 wrote:My biggest problem is when media types start throwing the word "hero" around in reference to athletes. Few if any athletes would qualify as heroes. Look to someone in uniform sworn to defend their country with their life, that's a hero. Look to firefighters rushing up a staircase when everyone else is frantically trying to get down, those are heroes. Even if they are the best in the world, no one should be called a hero for playing games that little boys can play.
Agreed,I resent those exposes about Athletes that talk about them going through adversities. Typically someone in their family dies or they get hooked on drugs. You dont see a "Beyond the Glory" about little Ray Ray that is sitting in his own filth down on the street corner hooked on crack. The Olympics are full of these stories, I am sure it is used to appeal to the Soap Opera crowd to get them to watch sports.
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cls12vg30 wrote:My favorite snippet from MST of all time, the movie was "Terror from the Year 5000", scene was a lone guy rowing a boat up onto the shore and jumping out-Crow's voice-over:"June 5, 1944..........I was early."
My favorite MST3K: Mitchell, with Joe Don Baker in it. I've watched it six times and it's still absolutely hysterical. Plus it was the last episode with Joel in it. (because joel was better than mike, his replacement)
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That looked so well thought out, I'd have swore it was an article from a magazine or newspaper somewhere. I'm deeply impressed as well Madison.
It's been a long time since I've dived that deep into a topic and even then, I seriously doubt I gave it that much attention as u have on this one.
My only .02 to add to all of that, is lack of parenting coming into play. Whether it's because parents both work full-time and don't have time for the children, single parents not being able to raise their children right, or just negligent parents not getting involved, leads to alot of children being raised by television. I grew up in a household that didn't have tv beyond what a pair of rabbit ears would bring up, and was raised on a horse ranch working on dozers when not doing school work(till I got my license then I started getting my independence attitude going)
This is just my views though to add to the fire. Not enough good role models in childrens' lives, not enough discipline so that they know about a word called consequence, etc, etc.
*puts on flame suit just in case*
It's been a long time since I've dived that deep into a topic and even then, I seriously doubt I gave it that much attention as u have on this one.
My only .02 to add to all of that, is lack of parenting coming into play. Whether it's because parents both work full-time and don't have time for the children, single parents not being able to raise their children right, or just negligent parents not getting involved, leads to alot of children being raised by television. I grew up in a household that didn't have tv beyond what a pair of rabbit ears would bring up, and was raised on a horse ranch working on dozers when not doing school work(till I got my license then I started getting my independence attitude going)
This is just my views though to add to the fire. Not enough good role models in childrens' lives, not enough discipline so that they know about a word called consequence, etc, etc.
*puts on flame suit just in case*
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Well I'm only bringing up points I've seen as I've grown up down here in San Diego. I can't vouch for everyone, and I'm not saying this is the fact to end all facts. But I do believe, very very strongly, that this comes into play for alot of why our society has degraded in the levels that it has.
I for one, cannot stand reality shows. They drive me up the walls as I see no point to them. The shows that I use to enjoy immensely however, were the likes of "The Pretender", "Nowhere Man", "JAG", etc. Which I thought stimulated my mind to some extent with good plot and acting that left you at the end of the program thinking about what you had seen.
Plus I thought they were very entertaining shows. But then again not every 15-17 year old kid thought this. This was just from my standpoint. I guess not every child has an ex-Navy pilot as a father. I must also add that he is the best damn role model I could have EVER asked for. He never even had to discipline me. Just knowing I did something wrong and disappointed him, use to tear me up real bad.
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I for one, cannot stand reality shows. They drive me up the walls as I see no point to them. The shows that I use to enjoy immensely however, were the likes of "The Pretender", "Nowhere Man", "JAG", etc. Which I thought stimulated my mind to some extent with good plot and acting that left you at the end of the program thinking about what you had seen.
Plus I thought they were very entertaining shows. But then again not every 15-17 year old kid thought this. This was just from my standpoint. I guess not every child has an ex-Navy pilot as a father. I must also add that he is the best damn role model I could have EVER asked for. He never even had to discipline me. Just knowing I did something wrong and disappointed him, use to tear me up real bad.
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I want to deeply impress her;) (haha, I'm so lame it's funny, well, to me anyway...)
I agree with you, though I find jackass amusing and tend to do similar stupid stuff as well, probably hurt myself someday, but not today or tomorrow. Pretty crappy to see idiots like myself and others disable themselves because they wanted to be cool and be on tv. I wanna be on tv, but not like that, well, maybe a little, but not something incredibly stupid like getting hit by a car...
I agree with you, though I find jackass amusing and tend to do similar stupid stuff as well, probably hurt myself someday, but not today or tomorrow. Pretty crappy to see idiots like myself and others disable themselves because they wanted to be cool and be on tv. I wanna be on tv, but not like that, well, maybe a little, but not something incredibly stupid like getting hit by a car...
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Wow victim. I love you.
j/p
But seriuosly. I wish more women our age thought that. Maybe it's just because of where I live.
In alot of ways I'm older then I really am(in others I choose to act like a kid so I don't get old TOO quickly). I try to keep myself well informed about many different topics(failed that one a couple times though...). I hope to have a family of my own in a few years(Almost at the average age for marriage how scary is that) and I want my kids to have the best upbringing I can possibly give them.
Which probably means I'll be moving out of Cali in a couple years...
j/p
But seriuosly. I wish more women our age thought that. Maybe it's just because of where I live.
In alot of ways I'm older then I really am(in others I choose to act like a kid so I don't get old TOO quickly). I try to keep myself well informed about many different topics(failed that one a couple times though...). I hope to have a family of my own in a few years(Almost at the average age for marriage how scary is that) and I want my kids to have the best upbringing I can possibly give them.
Which probably means I'll be moving out of Cali in a couple years...