Bought my first Nissan today.

[Jesse SR20]

Bought a 90 S13 fastback. 99,xxx miles. Dark grey. Stock.

Exterior is pretty good. Interior is unbelievably clean. No cracks in the dash, no tears in the seats, door panels are perfect, and the carpet is great.

It's an auto ( I'll be converting to 5speed when I do the SR swap), and the transmission slips and shifts a bit rough.

Got it for $1150. Hooray for me !

No pics yet.

[Nameless EJ6]

Nice! I've got a grey 89 stickshift.

[Jesse SR20]

Ahh sooo.

Former EJ6 owner as well.

[Nameless EJ6]

yup yup. check it out if ya want:

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[Jesse SR20]

yup yup. check it out if ya want:

Nice.

Here's some pics of my old car. Car shot.B20Z2 engine shot.

[Doomed2Walk]

QQ, I'm not very knowledgeable on Hondas, so yeah... What's the difference b/w the EJ6 and the EK9?

[MECPInstaller]

Honda.. Smonda your in the big leagues now lol:) Sounds like you got a good deal 99k ain't bad at all for a 90 and conditions sounds good. can't wait to see some pictures of it, and congrats on switching over to a 240, you won't be disappointed.

[silkk]

Congrats on the car and welcome to Nico.

[base9se]

Glad you made the conversion to RWD. You'll enjoy the curves alot better than that crappy honda FWD. What's the skill in driving straightaways anyway?

[Onizuka]

No offense, but saying that FWD hondas are not good at turning is kind of ignorant. Many hondas will whip a 240sx through the cones. Tire compound, brake bias and suspension settings matter alot more than what wheels do the accelerating.

Congrats on the big buy jesse, the 240sx can be a very rewarding car.

[base9se]

I would say that the prelude 4ws would be an exception. I used to have a Cr-x(with cams,clutch,msd,i/h/e,springs), accord, & civic. From my experience they couldn't compare how my 240s handle.

[Jesse SR20]

No offense, but saying that FWD hondas are not good at turning is kind of ignorant.

You said it.

I hate the Honda scene. Not the cars. I loved my EJ6. It handled like a champ, and the 2.0 I had in it had a great tourque curve. Very fun car.

But the FR layout has sooo much more potential. And this project will cost alot less than my Honda did.

Plus, I felt too old to be part of the Honda scene. I'll be 27 in a month, and it seems the Honda crowd is alot younger, like 17-21. Granted, alot of young people are into Nissans as well, but the scene has some older roots.

Anyways, thanks for the welcome everyone.

[SILVER97LE]

welcome to the family. 240's were built to be sports cars. We just got screwed on the engine due to pollution laws.

Honda civics will always be economy cars in my mind. Even though not nearly as popular, Preludes are the only hondas i consider sports car.

"Potential" all has to do with the size of your wallet.

[nismofly]

the prelude and now the s2000 both are sports cars and i tell you the s2000 is a fun car to drive, i just like my 240 more

[Jesse SR20]

240's were built to be sports cars.

Honda civics will always be economy cars in my mind.

Very true. You can put a dress on a pig, but it's still a pig.

And it is unfortunate that we here in the US get the short end of the stick when it comes to imported cars. No SR20det's stock, no Skylines, the list goes on for ever.

[gabossie]

Congrats and welcome to NICO!

[Doomed2Walk]

Although re-badged, the ITR and NSX are Honda sports cars. And the ITR came more undiluted than the 240sx.

[Nameless EJ6]

Glad you made the conversion to RWD. You'll enjoy the curves alot better than that crappy honda FWD. What's the skill in driving straightaways anyway?

Tell me, what does RWD have that makes these "curves" so much more fun? You hit the throttle harder causing you to drift or spin out?

I doubt you have enough racing experience to make a judgement on FWD cars like that. MOST powerfull FWD cars with LSD's and good drivers can easily overcome RWD cars in track racing.

No offense, but saying that FWD hondas are not good at turning is kind of ignorant. Many hondas will whip a 240sx through the cones. Tire compound, brake bias and suspension settings matter alot more than what wheels do the accelerating.

I like what you said.

Anyways, Preludes are not sports cars. If they are, it's because Insurance companies name them at this because of their sunroofs and spoilers. They're heavy unballanced pigs.

BTW, 240's are not sportscars either in the US. They're a regular car blessed with RWD... Ofter overglorified by morons on RWD forums.
Modified by Nameless EJ6 at 10:53 AM 9/15/2004

[Nameless EJ6]

QQ, I'm not very knowledgeable on Hondas, so yeah... What's the difference b/w the EJ6 and the EK9?

An EK9 is a 97-00 RHD CTR with a B16b engine.. not avaliable here.The EJ6 is any USDM 96-00 Civic with a D16y7 engine.

So when you see people call their USDM or Canadian 96-00 hatchbacks EK's.. they're very confused.

[574-240sx]

welcome. I was a former honda owner too. Nissans are much better and easy to work on.

[Altiman94]

I myself have never owned a honda. Although I'd definitely drive a gs-r anyday of the week

[Onizuka]

My one freind bought a 98 ITR (a real one) for $13,000 , its a pretty badass ride.

[BadMojo]

BTW, 240's are not sportscars either in the US. They're a regular car blessed with RWD... Ofter overglorified by morons on RWD forums.Modified by Nameless EJ6 at 10:53 AM 9/15/2004

Wow...this turned ugly fast. I agree that the Honda hate was uncalled for, but that's a little harsh.

Anyway, congrats on your purchase Jesse. Let's see some pics, and welcome to NICO.

[dfw240_EE]

I personally own an ED3 Civic, a 1991 DX sedan. I have actually taken it to autocross before, and in stock setup I can personally say that it has understeer in spades. However, the better and newer models (the Si's) started to get rear anti-roll bars, which mine does not have.

At the autocross chapter I go to one of the better people there drives a 1988 Honda Civic Si. Just remember that Hondas should not be underestimated.

[Nameless EJ6]

Wow...this turned ugly fast. I agree that the Honda hate was uncalled for, but that's a little harsh.

Sorry if it seemed harsh.. I'm jsut sick of seeing 240 owners talking down on Hondas when they haven't even owned a decently fast one with a good suspension and body setup.

[240SXer]

My one freind bought a 98 ITR (a real one) for $13,000 , its a pretty badass ride.

I don't know why everyone acts like the ITR is the greatest. They're slow. I laugh when a ITR tries to race me. I guess they handle well though? I don't care about handling.. hehe..

[nismofly]

hey nameless i know a master nissan tech and he said that one of the reasons we didnt get the sr20 in the states is because then insurance companies would have charged unbelievable rates because the engine would make the car a sports car, this is on top of the sr20 silvia competing within nissan with the z32 being another reason

[Nameless EJ6]

I don't know why everyone acts like the ITR is the greatest. They're slow. I laugh when a ITR tries to race me. I guess they handle well though? I don't care about handling.. hehe..

Well no ****, they don't run a 13.7 second quarter mile. Try 14.4-14.7. Yes they handle nicely, something a 240 just doesn't compete with. ITR's are remarkable cars.. if you've never driven one you won't know this.

They're also N/A.. try to race a turbo one and you will NOT keep up.

[Nameless EJ6]

hey nameless i know a master nissan tech and he said that one of the reasons we didnt get the sr20 in the states is because then insurance companies would have charged unbelievable rates because the engine would make the car a sports car, this is on top of the sr20 silvia competing within nissan with the z32 being another reason

Ya I'd believe that. It's competition for Z sales definetely. Just like bringing the ITR over here to the states again is too much competition for their other cars.. and they don't see alot of potential in sales with them.

[InsanityInc]

ITR's run 14.9's. ITR's are also not sports cars, they are a pre-modded econobox. I think you have a skewed view of what a sports car is. Old porsches are far more of a sports car than an ITR, yet the old porsches are much slower than an ITR. Doesn't matter, the car was designed with one purpose in mind. The ITR was MODIFIED with one purpose in mind, big difference. The base integra chassis/layout is not a sports car one, and since the ITR simply builds off of that base, it isn't a sports car either.

As for FF vs FR for track races, it's no contest. FR cars have very little understeer compared to FF cars, simply because FF cars have far more weight in the front. If you start to add throttle during turns to the mix, then the FF car loses out even worse, as you're going to be understeering like a champion and not accelerating at all when you hit the gas through a turn in a FF car.

I've driven an ITR, they aren't that great, especially for the price. I could get a 300zxTT in good condition for 13 grand easily. Which would you rather have?