Birther Bill Passes Arizona Senate

[srellim234]

AZ- It's no longer our business after it's been independently researched, documented and verified.

Of course, the earth is still flat and resting on the top of a giant tortoise, too.

CZ- Yeah, I'm uptight because that's all I hear four times a week when I go over to take care of my 85 year old parents. The ONLY tv station they watch is Fox and dad listens to a late night right wing call-in radio show. They think they are getting the entire story about every subject and 100% truth. I'm really frustrated with my dad showing an ignorance he's never shown during my lifetime. It's tough to watch your parents age. He always used to research things he heard about; now he just accepts what Fox tells him. And only those things he WANTS to hear.

[Cold_Zero]

Thanks for sharing it provides insight. It has really caught like wild fire in some respects.

[n00b240]

In regard to the "birther bill" who in the hell has a circumcision certificate? Why would anyone find it advantageous to know if the President or anyone else has an extra layer of skin? The bill passed the house and the senate

[szh]

and the issue has come to a close...
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/po ... -4-18-2011

Sanity prevails.

Good for Governor Brewer!

Z

[szh]

In regard to the "birther bill" who in the hell has a circumcision certificate? Why would anyone find it advantageous to know if the President or anyone else has an extra layer of skin? The bill passed the house and the senate

Was that actually in the bill, or something Gov Brewer used for emphasis?

Weird - the proposer of that bill must be a total idiot.

Z

[stebo0728]

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock):
*The person's parents were married at the time of birth
*One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
*The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
*A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

For persons born out-of-wedlock (mother) if all the following apply:
*the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and
*the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth.[8] (See link for those born to a U.S. father out-of-wedlock)

Ok, we sortof left this dangling. I know we mostly dont consider this an issue, BUT, just for the sake of finally putting this silliness to rest, lets finalize this line of thought. Using the standards above, which were in effect at the time of Obama's birth, we've just about concluded that regardless of his birth status, he's a citizen and eligible either way, but we haven't completely finalized it yet. A couple more questions, and I'm gonna try to research this a bit to try and conclude it, but

A) Were his mother and father married upon his birth?

B) If so, did either of them live in the states at least 10 years prior to his birth, and at least 5 of these after their 14th birthday? If so, case completely closed.

B) If he was born out of wedlock, did his mother live in America, or a territory of, at least 1 continuous year before his birth? If so, case completely closed.

If either (B) scenario can be shown to be true, then regardless of his birth certificate status, or even regardless of where he was born, be it Tunisa, Hawaii, or the back alley at the Catspa, he's still eligible for the presidency. If however neither B can be concluded, then we have a problem, and presenting proper evidence of birth becomes more important.

[AppleBonker]

Stebo, Obama's mother lived her entire life in the states up until the point Barack was born. She was married at the time (though Obama Sr. had another marriage that was still valid at the time). She gave birth when she was 18. That is the best of what I can tell.

[bigbadberry3]

It's such a beautiful trap...

[Cold_Zero]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf

Was it really that hard? Thank you Mr President, now I can tell my birther friends and acquaintances that they have nothing to question now.

[AppleBonker]

now I can tell my birther friends and acquaintances that they have nothing to question now.

They'll find something to question about it. Just watch...

[stebo0728]

now I can tell my birther friends and acquaintances that they have nothing to question now.

They'll find something to question about it. Just watch...

The paper was green, it should have been brown, and the Notary stamp was in the wrong place.

I kid ...

[Cold_Zero]

Oh I am sure, but it is pretty hard to doctor up signature and typing (on a typewriter) from 1961. The short form (previously released) which most people here heralded proof positive could have been changed (if you believe that the department handling these records in Hawaii could be easily swayed). But it is much harder to doctor up a document 50 years old. If we are going to question the Long Form, then let’s open the floor to theories that the US Declaration of Independence has been doctored after the fact.

[AppleBonker]

Well, if you believe the short form is doctored, I'm not sure why the long form couldn't be. It was the same department that released both, yes? That's the beauty of conspiracy theories. You can never prove them wrong because the people making the claims continue to adjust what they believe accordingly!

[Cold_Zero]

I guess my point was, that obviously the Certification of Live Birth is a certification of the other document (Certificate of Live Birth) and it wasnt signed and obviously (as a function of the document) created much later. Publishing the original document (with signature and typeface from a typewriter) seems to put this issue to rest.

Certification of Live Birth
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... ficate.pdf

Certificate of Live Birth
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf

[Cold_Zero]

You know, 'Birthers’ are like the old 9-11 ‘Truth’ers’. And last time I heard, this Administration has a few Truth’ers’ in its ranks. It is kind of sad that our society and politics have boiled down to this.

I must say that I am happy Mel (conspiracy theorist) does work at my employer anymore. I really wouldn’t want to get into it with him. He believed that the Moon landing was a setup and that the CSX station in Beach Grove (Indiana) was a FEMA concentration camp.

[IBCoupe]

Hawaii certified the f*** thing. There's nothing to question. This wasn't necessary at all, and I'm pretty sure the President has released it now to draw attention away from gas pumps and back to the derp that's running around in the Republican Party.

Also, it probably pays off to announce while Trump is still in the media and there aren't really many mainstream Republican attempts to ridicule him. If Trump fades, the announcement would appear more contrived.

[Cold_Zero]

If Trump is the motivation behind the release of the document, why not wait until he has the nomination and then take the winds out of his sails? (I know a big assumption that he would actually win the nomination). It is not like they are saving face right now, as they have been beaten up for years over not releasing this document. This could be construed that he forced the Administration’s hand into releasing the document and give him an apparent credibility. “Look what I did to the current Administration; just think what I could do to the Chi-comms.)

[stebo0728]

Big if here, by maybe Obama was tired of hearing sh*t about it, and didnt care to play politics, and just wanted to shut everyone up. For that I would give him big props.

[Cold_Zero]

Well remember, this was suppose to be 'No Drama Obama.' Not sure why now..other than Trump, they would decide to release it. In my opinion prior to the election, would have been a better time, had you been worried about shutting everyone up. Regardless, it was their decision and now they have done it. I hope it puts everything to rest now.

[IBCoupe]

Trump's going to drop out next month, probably. If not, well before Iowa.

I think the way Trump plays into it is that he's forced the rest of the Republican field to say something about it. Now there are sound-bites.

[bigbadberry3]

I thought Obama would wait for some serious contender to push the issue and then shove it in their face.

[Bubba1]

I thought Obama would wait for some serious contender to push the issue and then shove it in their face.

I don't have an issue with the Obama's publishing his long form birth certificate now, instead of waiting until after the primaries, because Trump is acting like fool for continuing to make it such a big issue. It's very easy to point a finger and cry false, but neither he or his "investigative team" have yet to provide any tangible evidence that the state supplied and certified documents are false.

It seems clear to me he's pandering to the tea partiers, but the longer he continues to whip a dead horse like this birther issue, the fewer mainsteam Republicans will take him seriously. I thought Trump was smarter than that.

[AZhitman]

If he weren't such a toolbag, I'd call him shrewd. He's saying all the right things in the wrong way (blasting BO on jobs, gas prices, foreign policy and the economy).

Ultimately, though, he's playing right into the hands of the DNC by making the right look silly.

[IBCoupe]

In fairness to Trump, candidates like Gingrich and Santorum, let alone Bachmann, do plenty to make Republicans look silly.

I want to see what Pawlenty and Romney do. They're really the two most serious candidates. Huntsman probably wouldn't be bad, but there can be only one Mormon.

[AZhitman]

Agreed. Romney seems to be the strong contender in my eyes.

I really was hoping Jindal would throw his hat in the ring, if only to force everyone else's hand.

[stebo0728]

Herman, baby, Herman! He's the only one with any sense!

[IBCoupe]

...and outright Islamophobia, Stebo. If your goal is to hand the election to the Democrats, by all means, nominate Herman Cain.

I lean more towards Pawlenty, not only because I feel a connection to boring people, but also because, from my time growing up in Massachusetts and through the Romney Governorship, I definitely get a used car salesman feel off of Romney.

[AZhitman]

If the only critique of Cain is a perceived Islamophobia, I think we could do far worse. Seriously, is that a dealbreaker?

[IBCoupe]

That's the first thing that comes off the top of my head, and it's not perceived islamophobia. He outright stated that he would not allow Muslims to serve in his administration. That's asking for a lawsuit against the Federal Government. I feel like we just had this conversation about Boeing.

Don't reward stupid, espcially if that reward involves giving them power over people with guns.

[stebo0728]

What have we been rewarding for years then? Sorry you'll have to come up with more to disparage Cain than that. He's already taken Clinton to task on fiscal matters, and he'll quite easily carry his own in any debate against Berry. He's surged in polls he wasn't even known in. Still too early to tell, but I definitely see him as a major contender. If that puts egg on my face later, I'll be sure to pack some grits. Grits and eggs 'r greaaaaat!