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I recently made a couple of purchases from IOS, and had a HORRIFYING experience. I informed the parts guy I was a NICO member. My original parts bill was quoted at $93.93. I was charged $175.75 on my card. I called to get it straightened out on Friday afternoon, and they told me "sorry, nothing I can do until Mon." Well, that was a problem for me as the overcharge resulted in an overdraft. Not only was I broke, but I was in the hole as a result of their F-up.

I called on Monday around 1pm (they were supposed to call me first thing in the am) and they said we'll refund the difference. Over the weekend I made up the difference in my account and got the overdraft charge dropped, so I asked for another part. They said OK, they'll charge me for the part and refund the $8 or so difference from the original bill. I asked for emailed invoices for both orders, and didn't get them. I waited a week and saw no refund on my account. I called them yet again, and asked what was up. They said they emailed the invoice, and that the second order had gone over the original charge after shipping and they just adjusted the price to make up the difference. I never got the invoice. I asked him to send me the invoice again, and he said I'll do it right now.

I got the invoice, but the next morning I checked my account, and they had charged me for the second invoice, on top of the total they had already collected. That overdrafted me again! I called to get it straightened out, and they said they would refund the original $175.75 and re-bill me for $81 and some change, and we'd be square. I said OK, thinking he would issue the refund, and when it cleared he'd bill me for the $81. Nope! He went ahead and billed me right away for the $81, knowing I was overdrafted already, and knowing the refund wouldn't clear for 3 or 4 days. So now I have TWO overdraft charges, am in the hole over $100, and am waiting for a refund that may take several days. I called again, and he got very argumentative and basically told me tough sh*t. I asked to speak to Joe. I got his voice mail. I called right back, and was told he was at lunch. I called back an hour later, and was told he'd left for the day.

I will NEVER deal with or recommend IOS to anyone, and would suggest people beware of IOS, and keep a close eye on what they charge to your account if you do decide to give them your business. :mad:
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Wow, that is a horror story... I've never heard such a negative experience from IOS. I've always heard very positive things. Sorry to hear of your trouble.

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I hate when dealerships do that kind of stuff. it just makes it harder for the rest of the dealers (regardless of brand) to keep customers from wandering down the aftermarket road.

Some dealers seems to think they are the only place anyone can shop...the fact that you are dealing with them over the phone/internet should remind them that they aren't.

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Not sure most Q owners keep their finances so close to the edge that a ~$100 here or there would lead to overdraft. Why I've used AMEX for 41 years.

Same with my recommendation that owners keep a separate vehicle mainteance and repair account to always have a collections of funds to repair or use as a down payment for replacement.

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I have ordered Several things from Joe and never had an issue. :gotme

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Q45tech wrote:Not sure most Q owners keep their finances so close to the edge that a ~$100 here or there would lead to overdraft. Why I've used AMEX for 41 years.

Same with my recommendation that owners keep a separate vehicle mainteance and repair account to always have a collections of funds to repair or use as a down payment for replacement.

Worthless post and completely missing the point of the original post. Bad manners from a veteran.

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Q45tech wrote:Not sure most Q owners keep their finances so close to the edge that a ~$100 here or there would lead to overdraft. Why I've used AMEX for 41 years.
Laymens terms: Rich owners are the only suitable owners for a Q45 (G50).
Q45tech wrote: Same with my recommendation that owners keep a separate vehicle mainteance and repair account to always have a collections of funds to repair or use as a down payment for replacement.
Laymens terms: Make a separate bank account with a bank that doesn't allow you to withdraw money when you don't have it. Many small banks have that and I am going to setup a separate account tommorow for the Q. I should have done it a long long time ago but what with my condition (EXTREME LAZINESS).

So I don't think this is a worthless post by Q45Tech, if anything posts calling Q45techs posts worthless seems worthless to me :).

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I've ordered over 5k in parts from Joe personally from IOS. Just ordered a caliper rebuild kit and did that last week. Recently (the last year or so), I've dealth with other employees there. I'm happy to say I had the same experience with them. Years ago, I was doing a suspension overhaul and I got two lefts of something. I called and he shipped me the correct one quickly and with great apology. It happens. Your experience sounds pretty horrific and I'm sorry for you, but I felt I had to post having spent thousands with IOS and with nothing but satisfaction.

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Q45tech wrote:Not sure most Q owners keep their finances so close to the edge that a ~$100 here or there would lead to overdraft. Why I've used AMEX for 41 years.

Same with my recommendation that owners keep a separate vehicle mainteance and repair account to always have a collections of funds to repair or use as a down payment for replacement.
Generally my finances are not so close to the edge. The problem here is not that I bought or needed something I couldn't pay for, but that I was charged ALMOST DOUBLE for something I COULD (and did) pay for!

I am usually very cautious about my money, but as we all know, unexpected expenses crop up from time to time. I happen to have had a streak of bad financial luck over the last couple months. Business has been slow, and I've been getting a lot of last-minute appointment cancellations. I have been dumping personal funds into my business as a result of that and an elevated B&O tax in my state. In addition, certain tax exemptions for small businesses have expired, raising my overhead. I had my finances laid out quite well at the time even though they were very limited. If IOS had so much as looked at the invoice prior to actually charging me, the whole fiasco could have been avoided. Even if the guy on Friday night had just made the executive decision to just refund me the difference on the spot, which he admitted was owed to me, the catastrophe could have been averted. What happened to customer service? Going the extra mile to make things right? In the end, it seems they wanted my money more than my repeat business.

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Q45tech wrote:Not sure most Q owners keep their finances so close to the edge that a ~$100 here or there would lead to overdraft. Why I've used AMEX for 41 years.

Same with my recommendation that owners keep a separate vehicle mainteance and repair account to always have a collections of funds to repair or use as a down payment for replacement.
Oh yeah! I forgot to mention - my finances are none of IOS's business. It is not my responsibility to keep enough cash on hand to cover the F-ups of a multi-million dollar dealership 1500 miles away! I brought them my business and gave them my trust. Not only did they violate it, but more or less told me to fornicate with myself as well. They could have at least offered to cover ONE of the two overdrafts they incurred for me. I doubt that would put the dealership in the red...

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Paul Wall wrote:
Q45tech wrote:Not sure most Q owners keep their finances so close to the edge that a ~$100 here or there would lead to overdraft. Why I've used AMEX for 41 years.
Laymens terms: Rich owners are the only suitable owners for a Q45 (G50).
Q45tech wrote: Same with my recommendation that owners keep a separate vehicle mainteance and repair account to always have a collections of funds to repair or use as a down payment for replacement.
Laymens terms: Make a separate bank account with a bank that doesn't allow you to withdraw money when you don't have it. Many small banks have that and I am going to setup a separate account tommorow for the Q. I should have done it a long long time ago but what with my condition (EXTREME LAZINESS).

So I don't think this is a worthless post by Q45Tech, if anything posts calling Q45techs posts worthless seems worthless to me :).
Paul, I am of the opinion that if I need or want a part, can afford to pay for the part, and am qualified to (or at the very least capable of) installing the part, the remainder of my account balance after the part is paid for is irrelevant. There is always more money to be made if you're willing to work for it. If IOS had quoted me $175.75 to begin with, I would not have purchased the parts.

I don't think you need to be "rich" to own a Q45. Not all of us make six figures a year (ahem, Q45Tech) but I make a comfortable living. The money is not as much the issue to me as the fact that they seem to be completely unwilling to A - Admit they screwed up; B - Fix the problem; and last but not least, C - APOLOGIZE and at least act like they care.

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I have forwarded a link to this thread to Joe... hopefully he can help you out. I have typically had very good experiences with IOS, for the exception of some issues right around the time that they moved from one location to another. I have found Joe to be genuinely concerned about his customers, and willing to make things right.

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Thanks Heath. I hate leaving voice mail, but after trying to get him on the phone for 2 days, I relented and left a VM today. Hopefully he'll call me tomorrow.

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I've had my share of problems in the past five years with IOS and share your pain. The best way to get what you need is to email Joe and he'll fill out a quote, file it in their database and email you a copy. On a Friday afternoon you might get your quote in an hour, you might get it Monday morning, or you might get it in 2 weeks if Joe is on vacation. The problem with this method is while you wait for an answer you still haven't ordered the parts you need.

I've also had great success by supplying the Infiniti part number to the friendly parts guy that answers the phone. It takes all of the guesswork out of it.

It's always nice to buy from club sponsors (and even pay a few $$ more to support them) since it's their advertising $$ that keep NICO alive, not its members. On the flip side, an online discount parts store (like IOS) has to realize that there are many online Infiniti dealerships offering the same 25% discount. Google "Infiniti Parts" and take your pick. Joe is pretty good about checking this forum and I hope he'll post soon to clear the air.

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Funny you should bring up all the options for sourcing Infiniti parts. I have several bookmarked, but thought I'd give my business to a club sponsor, especially after all the glowing reviews I've heard about IOS. I was really taken aback by this whole ordeal! I will be in Arizona in November, and I was thinking about stopping by to either say thanks or go F yourself, depending on how my conversation w/ Joe goes... :chuckle:

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I am not defending IOS in anyway but I bought a Throttle body gasket, and my car has Traction Control System (TCS). They gave me the gasket for the main TB instead of the one I needed for the elbow. So I called up and the parts guy said keep the gasket and we will send you another one.

I know all about the other dealerships that offer the discount some even more than IOS. But I don't want to take the risk of bad service. I know Joe will do whats right for you. :)

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We shall see... :squint:

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You should be hearing something from Joe in the AM.

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I would have just called up my credit card company and disputed the charges immediately, end of story. I have done this before with any retailer that didn't come through with what they promised. Putting in the disput wakes them up pretty darn quickly.

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This is typical of IOS! Please search IOS. There was a thread here awhile back where everyone was bashing them so badly, JOE had to come on the site to apologize! I hate using them because they have horrible customer service, their parts are usually put together and shipped by blind monkeys! It been plenty of times that they have shipped me out the wrong product and I HAVE to pay for shipping to fix their phuck up! IOS is a last resort company.

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Paul Wall wrote:
Q45tech wrote:Not sure most Q owners keep their finances so close to the edge that a ~$100 here or there would lead to overdraft. Why I've used AMEX for 41 years.
Laymens terms: Rich owners are the only suitable owners for a Q45 (G50).
Q45tech wrote: Same with my recommendation that owners keep a separate vehicle mainteance and repair account to always have a collections of funds to repair or use as a down payment for replacement.
Laymens terms: Make a separate bank account with a bank that doesn't allow you to withdraw money when you don't have it. Many small banks have that and I am going to setup a separate account tommorow for the Q. I should have done it a long long time ago but what with my condition (EXTREME LAZINESS).

So I don't think this is a worthless post by Q45Tech, if anything posts calling Q45techs posts worthless seems worthless to me :).
Honestly, Andy was correct. His post was worthless and it didn't have anything to do with the thread. After you put his thread in Layman's terms...it truly proves how worthless the recommendations are! The G50's are only for the "rich" (really !?!) and opening a seperate account for a car barely worth a grand doesn't make sense at all. Instead of opening a account to put money in for a G50, why don't you become finance wise and open a simple money market account or mutual fund to throw money in and let your MONEY GROW and work for you?? At least you will earn something on your money. I have 3 accounts: checking, daughter's college savings, and money market account...none of which are dedicated soley to my FGY33. I love my car but I already know if someone hits me, my car will be totaled out because the value of the car will be much lower that the amount it would cost to fix it.

The point is, IOS screwed up this guy order and overcharged him badly which in turn caused his account to overdraft! If I have $100 in my checking and I plan to purchase a freaking part for $50, who plans to have $125 taken out instead!?! I'll try another discount Infiniti store online next time. Heck they don't even send out "coupon" to emails anymore.

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Remember that sarcasm doesn't come through in the written word. The Q was designed for the rich... probably $70,000 price tag in today's dollars. In Japan the dealership would show up at your door with a loaner when it's time for maintenence... the owner would hand over the keys and pay what was requested. Part of why the early Q came with really great 10,000 mile sticky tires and matching 10,000 mile soft brake pads and rotors. Just because the car has depreciated that much, doesn't mean the parts and maintenece dropped with it's book value.

That said, it doesn't matter... if IOS messed up and overbilled the O/P that's a problem - and if I know Joe as well as I think I do it'll get fixed. To prevent anything like this from happening, I float all of my purchases over a credit card and pay them off at the end of the month - no company gets direct access to my checking account via the debit card. You never know when someone will get fat fingers and hit an extra zero.

In terms of return shipping - I have always been credited for it when I've had to return a part. Have you ever tried to deal with the UPS call tag system?

I've been using IOS for parts since the late 90's and they have banked a lot of goodwill with me over the years - but I will admit there has been some decline in their service lately.

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Yesterday a person named Kenny at IOS helped me with a quote for my Q45's midlife maintenance update. He gave me a quote number to save for further communication with IOS. It looks like I will be spending approximately $900 plus tax for all of the items I want to address in this initial round.

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OwnerCS wrote:Yesterday a person named Kenny at IOS helped me with a quote for my Q45's midlife maintenance update. He gave me a quote number to save for further communication with IOS. It looks like I will be spending approximately $900 plus tax for all of the items I want to address in this initial round.
Get a list of part numbers from IOS and order them elsewhere... :naughty:

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So I don't think this is a worthless post by Q45Tech, if anything posts calling Q45techs posts worthless seems worthless to me :).
Honestly, Andy was correct. His post was worthless and it didn't have anything to do with the thread. After you put his thread in Layman's terms...it truly proves how worthless the recommendations are! The G50's are only for the "rich" (really !?!) and opening a seperate account for a car barely worth a grand doesn't make sense at all. Instead of opening a account to put money in for a G50, why don't you become finance wise and open a simple money market account or mutual fund to throw money in and let your MONEY GROW and work for you?? At least you will earn something on your money. I have 3 accounts: checking, daughter's college savings, and money market account...none of which are dedicated soley to my FGY33. I love my car but I already know if someone hits me, my car will be totaled out because the value of the car will be much lower that the amount it would cost to fix it.

The point is, IOS screwed up this guy order and overcharged him badly which in turn caused his account to overdraft! If I have $100 in my checking and I plan to purchase a freaking part for $50, who plans to have $125 taken out instead!?! I'll try another discount Infiniti store online next time. Heck they don't even send out "coupon" to emails anymore.
Thanks Andy. I wouldn't necessarily say the post was worthless, but certainly in bad taste and somewhat inappropriate. As I stated before, just because I don't have the cash around to drop a motor in the car at the drop of a hat doesn't mean I am not worthy of owning a 16 year old luxury car. In addition, I'll reiterate what you also seconded, which is regardless if my account balance is $100, $1,000, or even $10,000; My parts were quoted at $93.93. That is the amount that should ahve been charged in the first place and not a penny more. :nono:

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As a long term IOS customer { 10 years + and probably over $10,000} I can tell you that over 95% of my dealings with them have been fantastic....and the very few times there has been an issue, it has been corrected to my satisfaction......actually once it was handled soo well and easily it made my { and the local Infiniti dealer involved} jaw drop { thanks again Joe}.....one of the benefits of establishing long term mutually beneficial business relationships.

My suggestion is to give them a chance to correct the issue BEFORE dragging them through the mud.....afterall their incentive to "make it right" is to retain you as a customer and earn your business AND REFERRALS.......what incentive is left if you are already bad mouthing them on the forum??????? Something to think about in all future business dealings, not just car related.

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qship96 wrote: My suggestion is to give them a chance to correct the issue BEFORE dragging them through the mud.....afterall their incentive to "make it right" is to retain you as a customer and earn your business AND REFERRALS.......what incentive is left if you are already bad mouthing them on the forum??????? Something to think about in all future business dealings, not just car related.
Well I think Joe and Infiniti Of Scottsdale can recover from this and come out better than before if Joe or someone at IOS posts what they did to correct it. I don't want to post any assumptions but I have had a great experience with IOS and I am sure Joe will correct this.

Like I said with my VERY FIRST order they sent the wrong Throttle Body gasket. I called up and let them know about there mistake and they said "Keep the old one and we will send you out the correct one, FREE of charge". So while I was mad at first I was happy in the end which is what matters. I will continue to do business with IOS because of that. And again I have no affiliation with IOS but I just want to share a true story.

And a couple of tips:

Ask someone with Nissan FAST (Dealer parts lookup program) too look up the part numbers for the parts you want before you call.

Make sure they send you a receipt in PDF form thats basically a scanned copy of your receipt.

Get the name of the person you talked to.

Sure the above may seem like overkill at first but I think IOS has parts people that constantly leave...So experiences vary.

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qship96 wrote:As a long term IOS customer { 10 years + and probably over $10,000} I can tell you that over 95% of my dealings with them have been fantastic....and the very few times there has been an issue, it has been corrected to my satisfaction......actually once it was handled soo well and easily it made my { and the local Infiniti dealer involved} jaw drop { thanks again Joe}.....one of the benefits of establishing long term mutually beneficial business relationships.

My suggestion is to give them a chance to correct the issue BEFORE dragging them through the mud.....afterall their incentive to "make it right" is to retain you as a customer and earn your business AND REFERRALS.......what incentive is left if you are already bad mouthing them on the forum??????? Something to think about in all future business dealings, not just car related.

Did he not attempt to solve the problem before he posted? Seems like he did in the first post.

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Everytime I order somethings wrong. The last? Ordered a set black floor mats but they don't make them. I didn't find this out til I emailed asking about my order.

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qship96 wrote:As a long term IOS customer { 10 years + and probably over $10,000} I can tell you that over 95% of my dealings with them have been fantastic....and the very few times there has been an issue, it has been corrected to my satisfaction......actually once it was handled soo well and easily it made my { and the local Infiniti dealer involved} jaw drop { thanks again Joe}.....one of the benefits of establishing long term mutually beneficial business relationships.

My suggestion is to give them a chance to correct the issue BEFORE dragging them through the mud.....afterall their incentive to "make it right" is to retain you as a customer and earn your business AND REFERRALS.......what incentive is left if you are already bad mouthing them on the forum??????? Something to think about in all future business dealings, not just car related.
In case you didn't read through the OP, I gave them 3 separate chances to correct the issue before posting here. All my interaction with them was cordial up until the final call, where I swore once, but never raised my voice. Not only did every call result in making the situation worse, but they didn't even seem to care. As for Paul's post about getting invoices and names, etc. I got all their names, and requested they send me invoices via email from the get-go. It took them 3 tries to get one to me; I got the parts from the first order before I got the invoice via email. When they finally got me the invoice, my first order had already come and the second they charged me for when they re-printed to scan in.


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