Best 240 model for drift?

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

BTW, 11:1 compression?? where the **** did you get that??

Post by **lenso** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

everyone here is going by the drift bible. well, this is more of preference than anything. those with s13s will swear by s13s and those with s14s will swear by s14s. it's like how people don't like hicas because its "uncontrollable". i drifted fine with hicas and have no idea what people are talking about. if you start with one car, you will get used to any understeer or lack there of.

btw, its keiichi tsuchiya...not kouchi.

Post by **Altiman94** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

ka24e is 8.6:1 or 9.1:1 compression. 11:1 is if you put the sohc pistons in the dohc block.

I recommend a 89 240sx. Pignose owns.

Post by **Ceptos** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

the 240 probably understeers on stock suspension so it is predictable in turns to the daily driver.

learning how to race is your best drift practice, drifting is only controlled oversteer, so you still have to race normally, following the line and braking into and accelerating out of corners. neither of these are to be learned on the street.

Post by **spec-u-later** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

I have spent some time drifting both models and I have to say the s14 is more balanced and predictable which is a major plus. Now the s13 will be cheaper so if you think you may crash a few times you might want to go that way. I had an s13 and enjoyed it a lot but i still like the s14 more. You do have better visibility in the s13 so thats a plus for it. Really it's just personal preference like everyone has said. And yes a stock s13 is more prone to understeer than a stock s14.

Post by **irax** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

hmm... weird i allways thought the sohc had higher compression... then whats the point of putting a DOHC head for low compression, or doing that makes it 11:1 as well...

Post by **89240sx** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

same thing... either you put sohc pistons in a dohc or "attempt" to put dohc head on sohc.... does the same thing

and would give you high compression not low

he is right early 89's have higher compression than other SOHC models

Post by **irax** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

lenso wrote:everyone here is going by the drift bible. well, this is more of preference than anything. those with s13s will swear by s13s and those with s14s will swear by s14s. it's like how people don't like hicas because its "uncontrollable". i drifted fine with hicas and have no idea what people are talking about. if you start with one car, you will get used to any understeer or lack there of.

i didnt suggest anything because of the drift bible, i have drivin an s13 stock at (my baby) s13 mt jic suspension exhaust, s14 mt exhaust... and i would have to say s13 with suspension was more fun to drive then the s14 but stock for stock s14 is better to handle then s13...

Post by **irax** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

89240sx wrote: "attempt" to put dohc head on sohc.... he is right early 89's have higher compression than other SOHC models

every thing about doing the head swap shows that it bolts right up, and im kinda intersted in doing so

Post by **WhItEdRiFt** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

Well the S13 and S14 insurance wise are relatively cheap and near the same amount for both. The cost for the S14 is pretty high though, don't think I'll be able to afford it. But we'll see.

Speaking of the S14 is it significantly longer than the S13 models? I've seen them around but for some reason they just look long, maybe my perception is warped for not having driven them. And I have been wondering how the visibility is in the coupes compared to the fastback.

And since you guys were talking about compression, is it a cheap mod to switch the pistons from the S13 into the S14? Sounds like a good way to gain power if it is cheap enough. I want my motor to be pretty much stock cause I plan on driving it a ton but if I can get some cheap stock parts and swap them that would be cool.

Oh and I forgot to ask how maintenance was on these vehicles? I think it is safe to say it beats the hell out of a turbo RX-7 hehe. I don't know if I would get an RX-7 because I really don't know how to repair a rotary engine.

Post by **WhItEdRiFt** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

Damn the S14 looks really nice IMO. Wish I could have that AND pop up lights.

Post by **89240sx** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

irax wrote:every thing about doing the head swap shows that it bolts right up, and im kinda intersted in doing so

There is slight fabrication involved...read through this thread and it will mention it http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....40742

Post by **irax** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

hmm... sounds like just getting 11:1 pistons would be easyer

Post by **drifts14x** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

S13, I have a 92 Coupe and it is the best, a few bucks in the suspension (Check Signature) and you are really kicking with the big dogs, I don't dig the whole S14 setup (Too Heavy, IMHO) and as for whoever suggested FC's, they're great but you did want a 240, and FC's have just as much understeer as any S13( Or at least the two that I drove did).

Post by **irax** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

anyways... its doesnt matter what you get, once you upgrade the suspension it will be better then any stock...

s13 cheapers14 better wheel base

thats all it runs down to.. chose 1

Post by **RalphCare** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

WhItEdRiFt wrote:And I DO know how to drive, very well, but I don't go nuts on the road. I also enjoy the drives through those two lane mountain roads and sunset.

if i ever read about a 240 flying off a cliff, ill be sure to pm you to see if you're ok.

Post by **marshun** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

lol. like he's gonna fly off the cliff just driving through

Website · Post by **flohtingPoint** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

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Post by **spec-u-later** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

flohtingPoint wrote:My S13 on stock suspension has no understeer problems. If the S13 was such a horrible car, why do you think so many 180sx's and early 90's silvias are used for drifting. I doubt Koguchi would waste his time with a car that sucked.

They don't suck they are just are not as balanced as an s14. Theyare used for drifting because of the FR setup and they are cheep, they also happen do it well after a little suspension tweeking. I have driven both and have owned an s13. As far the them not understeering, well... the only person you're fooling is yourself.

Post by **Ceptos** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

the s13 and s14 are both pretty much the same weight. i havnt found any place that listed them more than a few pounds apart.

of course when you are stepping on the gas through a turn, or you dont brake into the corner, you are going to understeer, especially on stock suspension. s13's probably have more worn suspension on average, and with things like tension rod bushings this can have a noticable affect. i would think they are even with their potential.

Post by **irax** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

putting in the sr20det lightesn up the front load and in a flat turn your car may not have understeer, but on an incline turn your car WILL understeer if going to fast... so really, its not that your car has no understeer problems, its that you have experianced it yet... and for you sake i hope you never do

Website · Post by **flohtingPoint** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

spec-u-later wrote:They don't suck they are just are not as balanced as an s14. Theyare used for drifting because of the FR setup and they are cheep, they also happen do it well after a little suspension tweeking. I have driven both and have owned an s13. As far the them not understeering, well... the only person you're fooling is yourself.

http://www.driftshowoff.com/in...drift

I dont think any of those peple have to worry about the expense of their vehicle. You look at ANY drift competition roster and you will ALWAYS see more S13's than S14's, but I'm sure this is because they have a bad understeering problem right

Post by **Poatree** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

go for an S13, and with the money you save from not buying an S14, get some suspension upgrades.... AND SHIP THEM TO ME :|

Post by **spec-u-later** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

Who said it was a "bad" understeer problem. I did say with minor suspension tweeking you can fix it and I think they have probably done a little tweeking. There is also a lot more s13's out there then s14's just for the simple fact that more were made. They are easier to attain and even the big dogs like to keep their budget low. On a side note I think the 13's look better too.

Website · Post by **usdm_180sx** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

flohtingPoint wrote:http://www.driftshowoff.com/in...drift

I dont think any of those peple have to worry about the expense of their vehicle. You look at ANY drift competition roster and you will ALWAYS see more S13's than S14's, but I'm sure this is because they have a bad understeering problem right

The s14 is more balanced than the s13 stock out of the box. If you are going to modify the suspension of whichever car you buy then whichever car is more balanced stock out of the box doesn't really matter, does it?

Post by **Shift_Oversteer** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

i've gripped/drifted an s13 for about two years now............ it understeers

Post by **Onizuka** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

drifters are poor. Why? because they break crap ALL THE TIME. Get the cheapest stuff you can, because the sport isnt cheap. I suggest getting a car worth less than $2000, because if you're really into drifting, you car wont be worth anything after your done with it.

Buy a cheap arse car, invest in suspension, go out and beat the crap out of the car. Thats probably the best way to start.

Post by **irax** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

i vouche for that, i broke my car, and i might be buying another car just so i have something to drive or i might be just buying new parts and then fixing mine... eithere way that coule of been money spent on suspension

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