Beginers drift set up. opinions wanted

[topless]

Ok now I'm sure you get posts like this all the time of people wanted to know if they should get this or that before they get a car so for the most part it usually is worthless to post. But the only reason I haven't got a car is because I'm still looking for a good deal that I dont have to drive accross the country to get.

on to the point, I'm looking at getting a 91-94 coupe. I have about 4k to spend on car and parts, I have another car for my D&D so this will be pretty much track only. I'm aiming to get the car for around 1500-2k so i will have around 2k-1700 to spend on it. I know the first thing I will do will be change all fluids, im doing ss brake lines, new pads and rotors. I'll probably throw some falkens on the front and just some cheapies on the rear. I also would like to get a seat(not sure on a harness yet cause i dont know if I want a cage yet or not) and an LSD, probably get a Kaaz 2 way.

anyone think I should do it any differently? Other things I should get also? And what kind of seat would people recomend for 300-500?

thanks

[topless]

Oh yeah, as far as the seat goes, I'm a big guy(6' 240lbs) and I don't fit in most of my friends seats

[Joe]

sounds like your taking the right path. only thing i would change is the SS lines probably arent needed for some time.

i would DEFINATLEY do a real LSD before coilovers, but coilovers should be one of your next big mods.

as for a seat, im 6' 220 and while i fit in most racing seats (evo, pro2000, SPG, etc) something like a evo2 is just a little more comfortable. unforutionatley thats gonna be a little more than your price range (600).

hope that helped

[topless]

Thanks that helped alot, who makes the evo2? For some reason Bride is coming to mind. I use to do a fair amount of auto x so that is why I was going to add the ss lines.

I went out tonight in my friends stock 240 out tonight and the body roll was ungodly, and he had to feint like no other so I'm thinking I might do a decent set of coilovers before the LSD or do a VLSD just for now.

[Joe]

sorry, the evo 2 is sparco. bride makes a seat for larger people but its still small.

and i would still do LSD before coils. thats what i did and dont regret it 1 bit. i drifted on some old crappy progress springs (3rd owner) and my shocks so blown they stopped leaking. i had horrible body roll but i has the LSD to put the power down. VLSD's suck compared to a real one. now i have tein super drifts and i love them

[wagonmaster]

He can get an Evo 3, suitable for large american lads. Don't forget seat brackets, base, sliders, and hardware, which can add another $45-$190 depending on which way you do it.

[IntensePower.com]

But Lance, the EVO3 doesnt fit in most cars without gutting out the doors.

[Joe]

But Lance, the EVO3 doesnt fit in most cars without gutting out the doors.

blairbear is right. the evo3 is HUGE. were talking 250+lb driver for that one. the measurement difference is like 8 inches across betwen the evo and the e3.

[topless]

yeah im big but im not THAT big

[IntensePower.com]

Sheesh guys, if i can fit in a standard evo, i dont know why anyone thats even considered somewhat healthy would need either an EVO L or EVO XL....thats kinda crazy...

Yes, I'm calling myself fat.

[Joe]

Sheesh guys, if i can fit in a standard evo, i dont know why anyone thats even considered somewhat healthy would need either an EVO L or EVO XL....thats kinda crazy...

Yes, I'm calling myself fat.

i still love you .

is your damn car running yet?

[IntensePower.com]

Workin on it... its on its way to becoming a demon.

and wanna hear something funny? the cage is gonna get cut out and we're making a new one....hahahahahha

[Joe]

Workin on it... its on its way to becoming a demon.

and wanna hear something funny? the cage is gonna get cut out and we're making a new one....hahahahahha

LOLjesus why!

[Kenrik]

Get the LSD... not coilovers just get some really stiff lowering springs for like $150.. that should hold you off for a bit

when your shocks blow because of the springs.. get some coilovers and sell the springs.

[One_Love]

Get the LSD... not coilovers just get some really stiff lowering springs for like $150.. that should hold you off for a bit

when your shocks blow because of the springs.. get some coilovers and sell the springs.

[naed240sx]

Get the LSD... not coilovers just get some really stiff lowering springs for like $150.. that should hold you off for a bit

when your shocks blow because of the springs.. get some coilovers and sell the springs.

Thats a terrible idea. If the ultimate plan is to get coilovers, get coilovers. No need to waste money on other BS then get them later. Do things right the first time.

[Flicktitty]

Thats a terrible idea. If the ultimate plan is to get coilovers, get coilovers. No need to waste money on other BS then get them later. Do things right the first time.

yeap!

[FAST-DATSUN]

SPEND your money on LSD AND SUPENSION!!Save seats until your have good handling car. and can drive it.., until then stock seats will do

[Joe]

Thats a terrible idea. If the ultimate plan is to get coilovers, get coilovers. No need to waste money on other BS then get them later. Do things right the first time.

well if it comes down to LSD vs coilovers you should pick LSD every time. you carry more speed entering a drift and dont scrub as much during it. LSD will help you more than coilovers espically when you are a beginner.

[Neil]

i didnt read the whole thread so i dont know if this was covered. I noticed you said you dont want a harness yet cuz you dont know if you want a rollbar.

You dont need a rollbar for a harness. as a matter of fact you dont need a rollbar to drift either... 90% of the events aren't serious enough to necessitate SCCA ruling.

Look up Schroth harnesses. I bought a Schroth w/Autoreel for $28 shipped on ebay. The autoreel mounts perfectly to an existing welded nut right next to the drivers rear speaker in my coupe. The combo of my S14 seats and the harness hold me pretty dern well. Enjuku sells a harness bar for like $250 or something if you REALLY dont want to use chassis points.

My opinion as a "budding" drifter is suspension + lsd first, and just bury your foot for runnin a KA. You CAN drift with an open diff but not for long turns since youre only sliding with weight instead of sliding while propelling yourself through the turns. 195 or 205 shyte tires in the rear are fine to start with in understanding the process but you might find later that more power and grippier tires make things a little more controllable.

but yeah. coilovers and lsd first. If I had to pick one of those over the other i'd choose the coilovers... but I wont have an lsd for a couple more weeks so my opinion might change on that. coilovers are just fun to own anyway.

without coilovers or a diff (100% stock, -b&m shifter) i was able to drift somewhat, the car boated so bad it was funny but i could do it. Also my stock belt held me ok for a while. I just backed the seat up, yanked the belts so they locked, then pulled my seat forward so I was pushed up into them. I didnt get thrown around so bad. but i ruvv my $30 schroth!

[Joe]

the problem with running a harness with no rollbar is this: in the event of a rollover you have a MUCH higher, almost certain, chance of death with a harness vs. a stock seatbelt. the stock seatbelt in its triangle configuration allows you to move down and in (twords the middle of the car) in the event of a rollover. a harness is going to hold you upright and you will compress your head onto your body, i.e. crush your spine/neck then die.

the chances of a rollover are slim to none to begin with, but why risk a MUGH higher chance of death just for the use of a harness? not worth it IMO. something you need to definatley keep in mind is in a sport like drifting with its high accident probability is the risk really worth it? i sell racing safety equipment for a living, so please take my word for this.

[wagonmaster]

Sheesh guys, if i can fit in a standard evo, i dont know why anyone thats even considered somewhat healthy would need either an EVO L or EVO XL....thats kinda crazy...

Yes, I'm calling myself fat.

Yeah, but you're kind of a masocist.

Only way your really going to know which seat is to sit in them.

LSD, coilovers, tc rods, get all your suspension stuff and drivetrain done. Then worry about a seat/roll cage.

[topless]

Thats pretty much what I had planned, I wanted to do the seat cause most 240's i run into the seats are pretty damn worn. I will not run a harness if i dont have a rollbar, I use to auto X and have seen way to many mishaps with people thinking that it is fine to do that.

[S3t0_S13]

try tokico blue springs, and whiteliine sway bars and strut bars for some good suspension, i have em on my car and their perfect

[driftin2trance]

i would def get a seat and LSD (or just weld urs, but many people dont like the idea) and some springs. seat makes a HUGE difference because ur not fighting to sit straight rather ur held in by the seat. since coilovers are still $$, i would get springs for the time being so u can save up some . plus u can sell ur springs for 50-100 bucks later on cause some will want them. thats what i did: seat, diff (welded), springs, clutch.i would also suggest a really good clutch

[tonynalli]

ok im going to be the *** hole and say that you ALL are going at this very very wrong..whatt you need to do is learn to drive on your stock stuff..just learn...i learned on my stock stuff. and i can out drift most people with elaborate suspensions and lsd's. screw that lsd make it easier but they arent needed..if you want to learn the right way then learn on your stock stuff..get used to it and then add the couplings to your stock diff from a j30 and be done with it..if you dont have lots of power the j30 will be a bit harder to get sideways...if you can get a stock 240 with minimal mods too it sideways and can do it all the time and not occasionally then its time for you to upgrade...learn to use the clutch and your brakes..learn to use your(cars) weight in the turns..

[Neil]

^^ +1... I had given my opinion based on the presumption that the user had 'already gotten the hang of it'.

I went my first 2 events with stock suspension, old ka and open diff and i surprised myself (and others). Cant really propel yourself thru the turns with a bone stock setup, so no linking... but it was fun to *** drag Driving in the snow with my old Volvo 240dl i think is what taught me how to control oversteer, since its nice and slow and gentle... drifting dry pavement is the same thing but 3x as fast and 3x as violent.

But youre right. The only way to really get the feel for what you NEED is to just go out there and do it.

[S3t0_S13]

so my tokico and sportline combo isnt a good one for some drifting?i was thinkin of getting a LSD but its 2 expensivewhats this about using the original with couplings?

i really wanna know if my shock/spring layout is good, because i bought the car like this and i wanna know if all this time i had made a good choice or not

[driftin2trance]

my first event was also with the whole car being stock and on top of that it was an auto at that time. and like u, i was impressed by how i did and so were the others. they thought i had stuff done. but once i added the seat, i felt soo much better. i was no longer fighting to stay still. it also improved my times in autox. yes, its a good idea to start with a stock car because u get use to the car and its harder. when i got my diff, it helped out sooo much. u dont have to get a 2way or anything, just get a VLSD or get it welded. u dont have to have serious money in the car to drift. but what i suggest is goin to autoxs as well, they will help out a lot. u will know what to do if something goes wrong and what not.

[Neil]

so my tokico and sportline combo isnt a good one for some drifting?i was thinkin of getting a LSD but its 2 expensivewhats this about using the original with couplings?

i really wanna know if my shock/spring layout is good, because i bought the car like this and i wanna know if all this time i had made a good choice or not

Your shock/spring/sway setup will probably be fine for drift... obviously its better than stock and you can drift on stock if you dont mind boating like crazy. Deciding weather or not you made a good purchase is up to YOU though... if youre happy then that's what's important.

Coilovers let you tune a major part of the suspension system (and change the ride height which is fun) which helps a driver feel what the car is doing 14/10ths over the edge and allows you to compensate for it with adjustments, which is desirable in competition but some people dont like/want for the street.

I'd look for a VLSD tho as was reccomended if you intend to hit up events semi-regularly... that'll ensure both wheels spin instead of only the one with less weight on it.