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[unknown007]

So today I was driving down a street and I hear a fat QQQEEEERRRRKKKKK!!!I book it to my ex's house and I find out my oil pan got a hole in it and starts leaking oil.So to make a long story short my oil pan busted and I got my car towed home.It's not over yet but check this out my car was on a flat bed and as soon as we hit my exit to my house my car fell off the flat bed and rolled into another car.How?I dunno I still don't believe it until now.So I'm here for suggestions should I buy the car and buy it out or just take the money and re-buy a new car?I was thinking taking the money, buying a new Q45 and parting out my old one.Any ideas?Thanks.I'm kinda drunk so I dunno.By the way I'm most likely gonna get the car paid off so how much might that be?I saw on KKB that it's 3k but I dunno.

[Jesda]

[qship96]

Geez, ya think that shade tree lowering job using incorrect parts had anything to do with your oil pan sitting so low and getting busted by hitting something???????

Was just a matter of time before something like that happened, thankfully no innocent people were injured.

[maxnix]

Geez, ya think that shade tree lowering job using incorrect parts had anything to do with your oil pan sitting so low and getting busted by hitting something???????

Was just a matter of time before something like that happened, thankfully no innocent people were injured.

This event was more certain than the second coming.

JB Weld and Cash For Clunkers is your salvation! Think Yaris!
Modified by maxnix at 8:26 AM 8/1/2009

[goody90q45]

Give us more details on what happened to lose the car off the tow truck and what it landed on.

With a hole in the oil pan the tow truck driver might have done you a big favor. I hope you at least had the courtesy to slip him a $20 bill once the dust settled.

[Infinitiguy19]

I told you not to post this, But wow it rolled off the tow truck too. I would sue them for a new Q.

And if you plan on somehow fixing this, my oil pan is yours just pay the shipping.

[qship96]

I told you not to post this, But wow it rolled off the tow truck too. I would sue them for a new Q.

And if you plan on somehow fixing this, my oil pan is yours just pay the shipping.

I commend him for posting this, as it may help future new young owners from making the same mistake, or at least point out the possible consequences of their decisions- sorry it had to result in Unknown007 having a total loss of his Q to make this point though.

New oil pan would be a waste of time/effort without first restoring suspension to eliminate repeat disaster.

Duct tape that oil pan and roll it to the nearest dealer and take advantage of the Osama bailout cash for clunkers and purchase a new versa/yaris/etc and enjoy a troublefree vehicle to get you through your high school and college years

[qship96]

This event was more certain than the second coming.

JB Weld and Cash For Clunkers is your salvation! Think Yaris!

Modified by maxnix at 8:26 AM 8/1/2009

Wow- great minds think alike!{except when it comes to changing ATF}

[maxnix]

I commend him for posting this, as it may help future new young owners from making the same mistake, or at least point out the possible consequences of their decisions- sorry it had to result in Unknown007 having a total loss of his Q to make this point though.

Yes, besides being largely unintelligible, his posts have at least been honest.

Hopefully others will learn to think critically before acting on a whim.

[Q45tech]

After 10 years of paying attention to kids [anyone under 35] and Q's...........they all meet their end in similiar manners.

I am amazed we have so few fires and explosions.

I think back over 7 years on Nico and remember multi dozens "of man don't make me study science or mechanics or math or even read books"

Not really the right place but my automatic search of *.pdf came up with this goody overnight:http://www.zddplus.com/TechBri...n.pdf

[unknown007]

qship and maxnix or w.e. your name is ummm little information my oil has nothing to do with my car getting totaled.STFU it won't educated anybody on why not to lower a car.Next car I get will be low as well like I said it's up to the car owner on what to do to his car.Nobody complains about your hello kitty interior you got hiding. By the way I might get another Q I'm not into new cars sorry.

Well Mike what the guy did was strapped a strap through the rim to keep the car down instead of strapping the lower arms with chains.The strap snapped off and the car went bye bye.He still towed it to my house so I wasn't mad at all what so ever so I said "eh?Sh*t happens." My car is in my drive way with a unlined trunk which you guys will see later today.

I still don't really understand how my oil pan scrapping has anything to do with the car falling off maybe the people HATING on my car are the ones who don't know shnatz about cars.Eh?We will see it on the long run I mean qship and maxnix only got a few years left and I don't think they come handy for Q owners!Well Mike sell me you car!!!

[goody90q45]

Get your paperwork and reciepts together for the insurance rep and present a good story on the value of your Q (just a couple of years away from being a collector car) and you might get a few grand when they total it.

Did the tie down strap webbing get cut in two rubbing on the wheel or did it come loose on its end connection? Let's see pics.

[qship96]

qship and maxnix or w.e. your name is ummm little information my oil has nothing to do with my car getting totaled.STFU it won't educated anybody on why not to lower a car.Next car I get will be low as well like I said it's up to the car owner on what to do to his car.Nobody complains about your hello kitty interior you got hiding. By the way I might get another Q I'm not into new cars sorry.

Well Mike what the guy did was strapped a strap through the rim to keep the car down instead of strapping the lower arms with chains.The strap snapped off and the car went bye bye.He still towed it to my house so I wasn't mad at all what so ever so I said "eh?Sh*t happens." My car is in my drive way with a unlined trunk which you guys will see later today.

I still don't really understand how my oil pan scrapping has anything to do with the car falling off maybe the people HATING on my car are the ones who don't know shnatz about cars.Eh?We will see it on the long run I mean qship and maxnix only got a few years left and I don't think they come handy for Q owners!Well Mike sell me you car!!!

Are you that BLIND not to understand that you would not have needed to have the car flat-bedded if you wouldnt have busted your oil pan due to the dumb choices YOU made by lowering your car with incorrect parts to the point of it scraping the ground?????? In the OVER 200,000 miles I have personally driven my Q.....it has NEVER required a tow or flatbed service.....geez imagine that??????? This should be a eye-opening expensive LEARNING EXPERIENCE for you, not a immature teenage rant.

[unknown007]

You so ignorant dirty old f**k I hate to be your kids.You think you know it all just because you don't know sh*t about Q45 and have a mechanic do all the work then you come at me like you know me.I like slammed cars and til I die I will continue to lower my cars why?Because it's something I like and nobody complains about you have a stock Q because it's something you like so why don't you take your old school a** and learn to appreciate and not hate.There is no lesson learned by the way and I would've called a flatbed anyways dumb f**k.Get a life and do something with yourself you low living old f**k.This maybe harsh but serious I'm sick and tired of you a** hope you become tupac b*tch!!!

This should be a lesson learned on how people like qship become more of a drama queen then teenagers.

Mods if you want you can delete all these post or close thread I'll just email the pictures to the ppl interested and a picture of me and qship wife. OUT!!!
Modified by unknown007 at 3:06 PM 8/1/2009

[qship96]

Please post pictures of the rambling wreck, we can make a NICO poster of what can happen when one has constipation of the brain and diareaha of the mouth.....plus, I need a good laugh- Guess we wont be subject to your babbling posts anymore since you are no longer are a Q driver!!!!!

[unknown007]

Oh don't worry I might buy another one.I'll still be around just remember that you're showing all NICO how immature your being towards a 18yr old that has done more than you ever will.Well laugh off thanks for reading sad guy!!! Fa' Shoo.

[BLACKonBLACK98]

i dunno, i think you need to man up on this one. the sequence of events was put in play by choices you made. we all know the stance of a certain few and even if they're a**holes about it they are still right. take responsibility and let the rest roll of your flatbed... oops, i meant "back".

[unknown007]

Like I said blackonblack I will continue to slam my cars.I already knew what I was gonna do with the cracked oil pan but now it'll never happen plus the car was starting to act up so it happened for the best.Next car I slam will be on coilovers so I can adjust the height but really you can't tell me you feel happy closer to earth. I still don't see where the mistake in lower the car has to do with the tow truck.If my car was OEM I would still ask for a tow truck so there's no difference.If you want a lower car always be prepared for the cracked oil pans and I was.Anyways I prefer flatbeds over regular tow trucks.

edit:I just really don't understand how everybody gets on me cause I'm 18 LOL. There's a couple on here who understand that it's something that you love doing and that internet haters can't stop you from doing.Matter fact nobody can.It's DO IT OR LIVE BY WHAT OTHERS SAY!!!

edit2:I will take pics tomorrow when the car is at OEM stance.
Modified by unknown007 at 8:04 PM 8/1/2009

[TBrack]

I don't see how an oil pan can all of a sudden get a hole from driving low, unless you hit something. I think the moral of this story should be not against driving lowered but to show that you shouldn't tow a car this large with low tensile strength civilian straps.

[BLACKonBLACK98]

you know i'm all about low and i would probably catch a case if someone dropped my car off a flat bed because to me that is unacceptable. however, if i managed to stay out of jail and make it home to type about it i wouldn't deny that it was my fault that the tow was necessary in the first place.

some of these guys are gonna jump down your throat regardless but making ridiculous arguments isn't gonna do anything but make you look stupid.

[unknown007]

Yeah the oil pan got a hole because I went through a road I didn't know so well and there was a sewer top or what ever higher than the road and my tires didn't seem to make it over it to push the car up.That one was my fault the rest well I dunno.

You got a good point blackonblack and I am stopping the cat fights lol.The tow truck dropping my car was unacceptable but I don't think it's right to take every penny out of the people it's cruel to me unless it was a car like yours then that's a different story by to me eh it doesn't bother just want a good amount if not then the case begins.

Over all it took my one year to lower my car it was all done thanks to NICO and VSC.

By the way on the way to my house, after the driver stapped my car up with chains this time, he told me same thing happened to him 7years ago with a Porsche.

[qship96]

Look???? He has proven it by not making the connection of excess lowering leading to hole in oil pan which CREATED the need for flatbed....which ended life of car- quite simple for most to understand where problem began.

[Infinitiguy19]

I commend him for posting this, as it may help future new young owners from making the same mistake, or at least point out the possible consequences of their decisions- sorry it had to result in Unknown007 having a total loss of his Q to make this point though.

New oil pan would be a waste of time/effort without first restoring suspension to eliminate repeat disaster.

Duct tape that oil pan and roll it to the nearest dealer and take advantage of the Osama bailout cash for clunkers and purchase a new versa/yaris/etc and enjoy a trouble free vehicle to get you through your high school and college years

I think the reason that I told him not to post this is painfully obvious now!!!

Weird how this happened to him the same day I went for an oil change which wasn't done perfectly.

They forgot one screw on the cover. But the oil level is fine. I might have to start doing oil changes my self because if some people (Monroe Muffler and Brake) can't be trusted to work on a 16 year old car. How can they be trusted to work on new cars????

Sad too that Tbrack and Unknown007 lost there car's, NICO is not going to be the same without them or their Q's.

[qship96]

Paul, you must find a small mom and pop type service center to establish a relationship with the owner/tech where you can visit regularly for oil changes/tire rotations/easy stuff that will allow you to stand under Q while they work so you can be sure job is done to your satisfaction- I also had oil change & differential fluid changed this week and I noticed a rack boot starting to split.......the ability for you to inspect underside of Q with flashlight you bring while tech performs oil change is priceless!

[TBrack]

I think the reason that I told him not to post this is painfully obvious now!!!

Weird how this happened to him the same day I went for an oil change which wasn't done perfectly.

They forgot one screw on the cover. But the oil level is fine. I might have to start doing oil changes my self because if some people (Monroe Muffler and Brake) can't be trusted to work on a 16 year old car. How can they be trusted to work on new cars????

Sad too that Tbrack and Unknown007 lost there car's, NICO is not going to be the same without them or their Q's.

I wouldn't say lost, more like gave up on and came very close to beating with a baseball bat. I'm just tired of the headache of maintenance I couldn't afford. That being said, I will be updating my part-out thread with pics of what I stripped Monday possibly.

[AZhitman]

You so ignorant dirty old f**k I hate to be your kids.You think you know it all just because you don't know sh*t about Q45 and have a mechanic do all the work then you come at me like you know me.I like slammed cars and til I die I will continue to lower my cars why?Because it's something I like and nobody complains about you have a stock Q because it's something you like so why don't you take your old school a** and learn to appreciate and not hate.There is no lesson learned by the way and I would've called a flatbed anyways dumb f**k.Get a life and do something with yourself you low living old f**k.This maybe harsh but serious I'm sick and tired of you a** hope you become tupac b*tch!!!

This should be a lesson learned on how people like qship become more of a drama queen then teenagers.

Mods if you want you can delete all these post or close thread I'll just email the pictures to the ppl interested and a picture of me and qship wife. OUT!!!

Modified by unknown007 at 3:06 PM 8/1/2009

I have a better idea.

How about you take a week off.

During that week, you're gonna do two things:

1) Learn to type in an intelligible manner.2) Learn to take criticism without resorting to threats and personal insults.

Check back in a week.

[Infinitiguy19]

Paul, you must find a small mom and pop type service center to establish a relationship with the owner/tech where you can visit regularly for oil changes/tire rotations/easy stuff that will allow you to stand under Q while they work so you can be sure job is done to your satisfaction- I also had oil change & differential fluid changed this week and I noticed a rack boot starting to split.......the ability for you to inspect underside of Q with flashlight you bring while tech performs oil change is priceless!

Thanks, At least I found the location of the exhaust leak (Opposite side of the other one I fixed). And if anyone cared to know a exhaust leak from my experience can possibly make a belt or bearing like squeak sound.

I wouldn't say lost, more like gave up on and came very close to beating with a baseball bat. I'm just tired of the headache of maintenance I couldn't afford. That being said, I will be updating my part-out thread with pics of what I stripped Monday possibly.

If it makes any difference I can still copy that FSM page for you, its just that i am so lazy. Funny thing is I think of ideas of how to make things easier by being so lazy.

I have a better idea.

How about you take a week off.

During that week, you're gonna do two things:

1) Learn to type in an intelligible manner. 2) Learn to take criticism without resorting to threats and personal insults.

Check back in a week.

I knew this was going to happen at some point in time, I just don't know how almost every topic Berner (Unknown007) makes ends in a bad way.

And Berner if you can somehow see this: You have to earn respect here by learning as much as you can about the car that you own. that way you will answer some of your own questions and better manage your own car.

The only bad side is that if you decide to move one (Why would you???) your kinda in the dark because everything changes so fast with cars (there made differently, Powered differently...).

And also Berner like I said you sue the tow truck driver because he did'nt secure the car properly. He thought it was a lighter car and thats why he used the straps instaed of chains, OK he took a unnessary risk and he has to pay for it. And plus this is sue happy America in a ressesion need I say more.

Bottom line: Sue the guy and the tow truck company and get another Q. Then read all you can. I sent you everthing I read all you have to do is read it. and be very careful of the new Q or other car. And don't forget to visit NICO.

But I have to say I was scared to let another guy change the oil, let alone touch it. Man I hav'nt felt that way about a car.
Modified by Paul Wall at 12:31 AM 8/2/2009

[coolyun_98]

Fortunately, nobody got injured in the series of mishaps.

Well. The thing is that people learn better from mistakes. No matter how serious or stupid the mistake is, it is always a good learning opportunity. That's the point of this forum, we Nissan lovers learn from each other.

For those people who think making a mistake is FOOLISH, think again. If you have lived your life by avoiding mistakes, you have NOT lived your life.

I know some people on this forum love to LECTURE the others. Why?

1) They really want to help. However, they lack of inter-personal skills to communicate. They can only get their message across through lecturing.2) They enjoy displaying their ego by insulting the others who are in need for help or advice.3) They want to create an image of superiority. Therefore, they can make more money with whatever repair shop they are associated to.4) They are simply mean people.

Anyways, however the underlying reson is, those people who love to lecture are ego-centric. Their comments are simply conter-productive.

[AZhitman]

I disagree.

When someone does something stupid to their car, it's incumbent upon those of us who have BEEN THERE and DONE THAT to say something.

Otherwise, we do a disservice to the very population we're meant to assist.

If the OP had come here looking for advice or assistance, he'd listen when people make recommendations. Instead, he just lips off and calls people names.

Besides, I don't want that poorly-modded POS out on the highway, piloted by some wet-behind-the-ears driver... It's an accident waiting to happen, and it could happen to someone you care about.

[loystock]

Kudos to NICO members, especially the senior ones, for keeping their cool on this wayward kid. Some people need to learn to take advice gracefully.

For me, I only do modification if it will improve safety, reliability, performance or speed. Lowering car is not one of them as I like to drive fast. I don't have to worry about humps/bumps uneven pavement etc. In fact I used to contribute a lot to CA coffers, multiple speeding tickets/year, but never been involved in any accident (knock on wood).

Modifying a car can have safety and/or legal implications. My daughter's G35 was totaled a few months ago and the CHP officer and insurance company immediately decided she was 100% at fault. Her car departed her lane, hit. another car, then spun out of control and hit the center divider. The other car only has a dented door but the G35 was a wreck. And thanks to G35's airbags and curtain airbags, she was not injured.

Based on my daughter's info (car felt like "flying"), witness account and police report, I immediately assumed that the G35 suffered a rear tire blowout causing the lane departure. So I went to the storage lot were the car was stored and found both driver side tires were flat. The front tire deflated due to impact but there was no explanation for the rear one - no visible puncture or impact. Upon closer look, I noticed tire-bead separation. So I took pictures of the car and presented it to the insurance company and demanded further investigation to clear my daughter's name. The insurance company finally assigned an independent shop to do forensic investigation.

The first thing that the investigators did was to check for any modification on the car that could have affected its safety and drivability. Fortunately, there was none. And I'm glad the final forensic report indicated rear tire blowout as the cause of the accident and not negligence/recklessness.

As a result of the forensic investigation, the insurance company reduced her liability from 100% at fault to 50% or less. Her insurance rate is not affected, but it could have gone higher if not for the report.

We will challenge the CHP citation in court and even accuse the officer of sloppy investigation and reporting.

Had the car been modified unsafely, the outcome of the investigation would not have been favorable to us. It also freed my daughter from any civil liability from the other party involved in the accident.