Bayonetta or Dark Siders? Poll

[Empty V]

So my 360 should be back at my pad in 4 days(RROD). I'm debating on which game to grab. Both look very similar and have had great reviews. So which one should I get?

BTW since the 360's been out I've been playing Assassin's Creed II on my PS3 and the game is badass but my PS3 blows! It's frozen on me 4 times, the controller is terrible (especially the thumbsticks), and after you DL something from their slow-a** network you have to install it! Every time I turn on the console and launch ACII the loading(progress) bar fills up 3 times, what's the point of haing a progress bar if it doesn't show you full progress? That's insane. Plus ACII is displayed in 720p, what a rip. Alright enough bellyaching now to the poll.

[ProudNissanFreak]

I would go Dark Siders. Bayonetta is pretty much DMC4 to me.

[Warped161]

Dark Siders, bayonetta seems too easy, i have never had those types of problems with my ps3 btw most games are 720p for better frame rates, that includes xbox.

[Empty V]

Dark Siders, bayonetta seems too easy, i have never had those types of problems with my ps3 btw most games are 720p for better frame rates, that includes xbox.

Better frame rates? So if it can't display 30fps at 1080 then there's some serious issues with it. I think all of the games I've played on the 360 were displayed in 1080 including the downloaded games. I've only owned 3 games total for the PS3 and each was 720 and froze multiple times. Do you have ACII? If so do you get the multiple loading bar when the game is launched? After downloading something off their network do you have to install it? Do you have to install every game you want to play? If not I wan't to upgrade to your system because mine sucks. BTW MGS4(one of the three) sucked and having to install it 4 times was ridiculous.
Modified by Empty V at 12:45 AM 1/8/2010

[MinisterofDOOM]

Darksiders is supposed to be TERRIBLE. Really, really really bad.

Bayonetta, on the other hand, is a lot of fun. But Bayonetta's the only one I have experience with. It's fun. The combat system is great, monster designs are neat...I'd go with it.

[Empty V]

Darksiders is supposed to be TERRIBLE. Really, really really bad.

Bayonetta, on the other hand, is a lot of fun. But Bayonetta's the only one I have experience with. It's fun. The combat system is great, monster designs are neat...I'd go with it.

Actually it's supposed to be awesome, all of the reviews I've seen have been extremely promising. Below is a screengrab from http://www.gamerankings.com. I downloaded the PS3 demo for Bayonetta (then of course had to install it which took another 10 minutes) and I was not impressed. It is just like the 2 button mashing DMC series with a few new attributes. Supposedly it get better as you progress but organized chaos is organized chaos.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Huh...maybe I read the one negative review. It ripped on the game for completely lacking depth and consisting of nothing but endless combat.

[Empty V]

Huh...maybe I read the one negative review. It ripped on the game for completely lacking depth and consisting of nothing but endless combat.

The story actually sounds really cool. I ended up grabbing it last night and it came with a short comic which sets the stage for the game. If they stick with it, it'll be a great game. There's been lots of amazing games that have were extremely repetitive such as Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed I+II. What saved them was having incredible stories i.e. twists, struggles and character arcs. Now I just have to wait until Monday when my 360 gets back.

Billy

[ProudNissanFreak]

You don't have to install every game you play for Ps3. MGS4 was understandable, instead of one massive install, you install each chapter as you go alon.

[Empty V]

You don't have to install every game you play for Ps3. MGS4 was understandable, instead of one massive install, you install each chapter as you go alon.

So instead of one long annoying install you've got 4 or 5 annoying installs. I also had to install Infamous and Assassin's Creed II. And then I had to update them. I don't have to do that on the 360 and I get a higher resolution image. It's a bummer considering the cost of the console. For where we're at with technology it's sub par. The PS3 is supposed to be way crazier GPU and CPU wise. But it's got a Blu-Ray player! I do gotta say that Infamous kicked a** and shouldn't have been exclusive.

[MinisterofDOOM]

InFamous looks FRUSTRATING. It seems to have the same issue a lot of other "open world" games have in that it NEVER lets you breathe and NEVER gives you a chance to actually enjoy the open world the game is set in because you're ALWAYS running from someone or fighting someone or hiding from someone.

[Warped161]

You do know that the majority of xbox titles are 720p and being upscaled to 1080 by the system. Ps3 titles that say 1080 on the box are native 1080p.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I didn't bother buying a 1080p TV. Most games are designed to look fine in 720p and thus there's little benefit from going 1080. Although now that I have a PS3 I do wish I could make use of 1080p for those games and bluray.

[Nali]

I was stuck on this too.I watched a lot of dev diaries for both and i actually thought Darksiders was coming out later cuz when put head to head bayonetta just decks anything in its genre.I dare you to find a game that deeper.....in the genre of course....trust me you wont find one, bayonetta is the flagship.

Nonetheless, Bayonetta gets my vote.Massive massive combo list, extremely deep combat system, over-the-top everythingness and for gods sake her hair turns into a frikkin giant boot....what more could you ask for?

And while some think this is too similar to DMC, id like you all to atleast rent Bayonetta or try the demo and press back during the loading screen.....she has more combos than Dante from DMC4 and her weapons arsenal puts entire armies to shame.

Bayonetta is a hit or miss game, either you will love it because you like the level of awesomeness that can be achieved by our heroine and the depth of combat or you will hate it cuz it just might be too over-the-top and too extreme for your mind to comprehend.

Nonetheless, i intend to own both at some point, but Bayonetta was the one i ordered first because i see it holding me till atleast june. I will master all her combos.

[Empty V]

You do know that the majority of xbox titles are 720p and being upscaled to 1080 by the system. Ps3 titles that say 1080 on the box are native 1080p.

Which titles would those be? If anything is being upscaled it's a good thing. If it's being upscaled to a 1920x1080 monitor then you watching it at a 1:1 ratio which will be a much more clear image then watching a 720 res image on a 1080 display. I have yet to see a PS3 game that says 1080p on the box.
Modified by Empty V at 2:02 PM 1/10/2010

[Empty V]

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I didn't bother buying a 1080p TV. Most games are designed to look fine in 720p and thus there's little benefit from going 1080. Although now that I have a PS3 I do wish I could make use of 1080p for those games and bluray.

I really don't mean to offend you with this but this is the dumbest thing I've heard all week. I don't see why anyone would ever buy a lower res monitor, especially if they're a gamer.

[Empty V]

InFamous looks FRUSTRATING. It seems to have the same issue a lot of other "open world" games have in that it NEVER lets you breathe and NEVER gives you a chance to actually enjoy the open world the game is set in because you're ALWAYS running from someone or fighting someone or hiding from someone.

It wasn't frustrating at all. There was plenty of time to breathe with collecting items and fighting enemies was awesome. As you upgraded your powers your enemies became stronger and it was a total blast. Probably the best exclusive PS3 title, at least that I've played.

[Nali]

I really don't mean to offend you with this but this is the dumbest thing I've heard all week. I don't see why anyone would ever buy a lower res monitor, especially if they're a gamer.

Dont mean to offend but i think you need to read more on the whole 720 vs 1080 when it comes to gaming.Especially when it comes to gaming.

We aint talking PC gaming cuz HD resolutions are quite abysmal by PC standards, but console gaming.

To put things into perspective for you, COD is rendered at 600p, thats right 1024x600.So now we upscale that to 1280x720 - some stretching but it still looks good and infact this is where the devs want it.Now lets stretch that some more to 1920x1080 and play on a screen only marginally larger than out 720 set - what we get is an uninspiring image, that doesnt look worth the extra cost that 1080 set was.

1080 vs 720 for console gaming 720 wins usually as most games are actually set to look optimal at 720, why you ask?1. Its easier to run a game at a lower res with all the effects on2. Most HD screens in homes right now are 720 - 768p so thats where the game will be seen the most.

Im too lazy to do the googling for you, but search for the 720 vs 1080 console comparison(or something like that). Your eyes shall be opened.

When 1080 becomes the native resolution of most games, then maybe 1080 sets will become more desirable to gamers but as is, 720-768 sets get the job done just as well at a lower cost.

You have to remember Native resolutions matter more than output resolution, if a games Native is 720ish then stretching it to 1080 doesnt really help much, because all you are doing is basically stretching an already rendered image, not actually increasing the games resolution ala PC gaming.

[Empty V]

I had no idea that the MW games are rendered at 1024x600, that's pretty f'd up considering what they're advertising on the back of cases. I was under the impression that the game can be displayed natively at whatever resolutions and scan rates it says on the case. I'm not too familiar with consoles and how they perform/scale but I am and expert when it comes to professional displays and resolutions. The resolution of the display does make a huge difference as I was talking about the 1:1 pixel ratios. It's the same idea as matching your computer to your monitor's max resolution. Now when you throw in a console that is scaling it seems to screw everything up. I'm guessing they do the same for the PS3, so what does it say on the PS3 box for MWII? If it says 720p then that is false advertising as well. How can you believe either companies?

Dont mean to offend but i think you need to read more on the whole 720 vs 1080 when it comes to gaming.Especially when it comes to gaming.

We aint talking PC gaming cuz HD resolutions are quite abysmal by PC standards, but console gaming.

To put things into perspective for you, COD is rendered at 600p, thats right 1024x600.So now we upscale that to 1280x720 - some stretching but it still looks good and infact this is where the devs want it.Now lets stretch that some more to 1920x1080 and play on a screen only marginally larger than out 720 set - what we get is an uninspiring image, that doesnt look worth the extra cost that 1080 set was.

1080 vs 720 for console gaming 720 wins usually as most games are actually set to look optimal at 720, why you ask?1. Its easier to run a game at a lower res with all the effects on2. Most HD screens in homes right now are 720 - 768p so thats where the game will be seen the most.

Im too lazy to do the googling for you, but search for the 720 vs 1080 console comparison(or something like that). Your eyes shall be opened.

When 1080 becomes the native resolution of most games, then maybe 1080 sets will become more desirable to gamers but as is, 720-768 sets get the job done just as well at a lower cost.

You have to remember Native resolutions matter more than output resolution, if a games Native is 720ish then stretching it to 1080 doesnt really help much, because all you are doing is basically stretching an already rendered image, not actually increasing the games resolution ala PC gaming.

[Nali]

If it says 720p then that is false advertising as well. How can you believe either companies?

Yeah it caused a huge row back Perfect Dark did it.Perfect Dark is rendered at 640p.I believe Halo 3 is also a 640p game, lots of PS3 gamers used/use this to poke fun at 360 owners but it doesnt hurt me as i dont really care about both games....and the other famous game that runs at less than HD res is COD...which also runs at less than HD on PS3.

And yeah its different when compared to PC gaming because the PC doesnt upscale images...it renders them at that res.Pixel counting a game on PC at 1080p will give you 1080 Nativewhere as on console the count always ends up the same...regardless of resolution - Sad but true.

Console games have a set res they render at, then they are upscaled by the console to the desired resolution.So at the end of the day we are looking at an XXXp image stretched to 1080p unless the games native res is 1080p.

Id rather stretch the image as little as possible, which is why id rather run a 720p screen.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I really don't mean to offend you with this but this is the dumbest thing I've heard all week. I don't see why anyone would ever buy a lower res monitor, especially if they're a gamer.

To add to what Nali said about the big difference between PC resolution and TV resolution standards:

It was basically a financial choice. I only upgraded to an HDTV a few months ago, and that was only because some PS360 games are hard to play without HD (hard to read GUIs, etc.)I'm really a PC gamer. I have multiple high-res monitors there. Monitors are dirt cheap, unlike HDTVs.I only have about a dozen games for the PS3 and 360 combined. True most of those support 1080p but I don't get HD cable channels so those games are the ONLY reason I'd need 1080p. Not worth the money. Not a worthwhile expense. I have tons of Wii games but they only support 480p wide at most. No need for 1080p there.

As for more resolution always being better...the combination of shinytech and LCD monitors means we've reached an age where resolution can be compensated for elsewhere. LCD monitors don't look good at non-native resolutions. You don't run PC games at 2560×1600 unless your monitor supports it. AA, AF, high res textures, etc. all do a LOT to improve image quality without needing to touch the resolution slider.

Sure, ideally, more resolution is better. But there are costs to be weighed there, too: performance, money, and OTHER monitor/TV specs.

My PC would be worth upgrading the monitor again. There are only a couple of games (Crysis) that I couldn't crank up the resolution too much more without seeing my framerate suffer. But for a dozen games on my consoles, it's not worth the cost of a 1080p TV.

Also, there's the issue of what resolution is available in what size. The bigger you go, the easier it is to find 1080p TVs. But my TV goes in my bedroom. Anything beyond 32'' would be ridiculously huge and in the way. And when I bought my TV, 1080p in 32'' was still significantly pricier than 720p AND the options were fewer.

AND there's a lot more to a TV (or monitor) than just resolution. Pixel refresh rate, hertz cycles (especially with 3D on the horizon now), black level, UI. If all you see is resolution when you look at a TV, THAT is dumb, especially if you're a gamer. I'd rather buy a GOOD 720p set than a crappy 1080p set. So there's another cost to weigh.

And again, as I noted, most 360 and PS3 games are DESIGNED to be played at 720p. So the UI elements all look great at 720p and visual quality is excellent at 720p. Upscaling is nice but not necessary. More resolution is ONLY better when it comes without cost. It rarely does.

So if you don't see the reasons not to go higher resolution, you're either filthy stinking rich or not looking close enough...or don't know what you're talking about.

[PyR0NiAk]

Darksiders is supposed to be TERRIBLE. Really, really really bad.

Bayonetta, on the other hand, is a lot of fun. But Bayonetta's the only one I have experience with. It's fun. The combat system is great, monster designs are neat...I'd go with it.

MOD, how far are you into Bayonetta? I'm in chapter 14 I think... What's your GT?

[Empty V]

Well I'm a few hours in Darksiders and all I've got to say is DAYUM! This game is amazing. The dialogue is really well done, visuals are awesome and the gameplay is a blast. The bosses are often and a lot of fun, it's also not as frustrating as these games can be. The puzzles are simple and don't cause you to beat your controller against your head. There isn't any of that "going between 3 rooms trying to figure out what to do" for an hour BS. I think there are a lot of similarities to Bayonetta/DMC and I'll probably end up getting Bayonetta. If you like DMC then you'll love Darksiders. So far the story is extremely interesting, they're using all historic religious figures and being a Horseman of the Apocalypse stripped of your powers framed for bringing the apocalypse early which destroys mankind is just rad. I'm not sure if I'll play through it twice as there are way to many games coming out in the next month(Mass Effect 2, Splinter Cell) but it's definitely worth the time.

[MinisterofDOOM]

MOD, how far are you into Bayonetta? I'm in chapter 14 I think... What's your GT?

I don't actually have the game, I just played the demo.

[PyR0NiAk]

I don't actually have the game, I just played the demo.

I definitely recommend renting it. It's got a hell of a story to it. I'm on what I think is the last boss...

[Chaotic_Warlord]

Dante's Inferno... if you have a 360 this is pretty much our God of War. The graphics are awesome, the story is based on a really awesome tragedy so it's chock full o win. Check it out.

[PyR0NiAk]

Dante's Inferno... if you have a 360 this is pretty much our God of War. The graphics are awesome, the story is based on a really awesome tragedy so it's chock full o win. Check it out.

No way it's better than Bayonetta.

[sbird1]

My roommate just beat Darksiders. I watched him play almost all of it. Very entertaining game. Lots of puzzles and stuff like Zelda, cool characters and gameplay. I usually don't like games like this, but it was a very cool game. I don't know if I'd buy it or not. I don't like to buy games unless the multiplayer will be super addicting (like Halo, MW2, etc.) because the main story doesn't take that long and once you beat it, you never play it again. My .02!

[Empty V]

The ending was awesome for this game. I went back to play it a second time but gave up because of Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock 2. It's one of those game that I would really like to go back and play through again but chances of that happening with any game are low.

[sbird1]

WHY DON'T THEY SHOW YOU THE OTHER HORSEMEN?!?!? I was angry.