AT&T buys T-Mobile USA

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szh wrote:It isn't a done deal yet, folks! Lots of regulatory hurdles still need to be taken care of ... SEC, FCC, shareholders, etc., etc., etc.

Will take many months to complete the task - assuming it gets past all the hurdles too. Then, the integration process of combining two separate cellular systems will ensure that service will suck for a while for all AT&T customers.

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^ hehe, true!

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This affects even me since T-Mobile is a great option for me to get AWS phones that I can use with Wind Mobile in Canada.

To know that AT&T is going to repurpose the existing towers (abandon AWS?), sucks. AT&T has also released a statement saying that T-Mobile customers will have to replace their phones during the process in order to continue receiving service.

Source: http://www.androidguys.com/2011/03/21/a ... ets-merge/

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I hear that T-Mobile's name will carry over since AT&T has such a bad rep. Can't say I would blame them. I haven't heard a good thing about AT&T in a long time.

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The T-Mo name will be going away completely. All your base are belong to SBC.

Here's a comment someone made on a blog in 2010:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/1 ... ers_Digest

"The fact that T-Mobile is included on this list [of brands that will disappear in 2011] is absolutely ridiculous, and the reasoning the author gives for putting it on shows his complete ineptitude on the subject. Look back on the articles like this from the past and you will see how few this author has gotten right, maybe 10%? If you put Blockbuster on the list every year you will eventually be right, right? Moron, T-Mobile USA isn't going anywhere, HSPA+ has more room for growth and is already in more markets providing faster data speeds than competitors, check your facts."

I chuckled a bit.

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That same list includes Kia. Clearly someone doesn't understand the auto industry on this continent.

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I can't find the article right now, but my father in law told me yesterday that Sprint is pretty upset about the merger, since they apparently expressed interest in purchasing T-Mobile long before AT&T and never got an opportunity to make an offer. I highly doubt it's going to do any good at this point, but I would be much happier seeing Sprint or Verizon picking up T-mobile than AT&T.
Sprint Nextel CEO Dan Hesse says he's concerned that AT&T's deal to buy T-Mobile USA for $39 billion could strengthen the top two U.S. wireless companies at the expense of others, including his.

Hesse says AT&T Inc. and Verizon Wireless would control 79 percent of the market if the deal goes through. The head of Sprint Nextel Corp. made a keynote speech Tuesday at a cellphone industry conference in Orlando, Fla., which was monitored by webcast.

Hesse says, "I do have concerns that it would stifle innovation and too much power would be in the hands of two."

The head of Verizon Wireless, Dan Mead, was asked whether he had stand on the proposed deal. He replied, "We're certainly very interested in what's going on."

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:That same list includes Kia. Clearly someone doesn't understand the auto industry on this continent.
:rotfl maybe is Kia is meant to be an abbreviation for Chrysler... I would buy a Kia before most any domestic(and some foreign) vehicles at the moment, without hesitation.

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great, i was really digging my $60/mnth unlimited text and date with 450minutes. stupid ATT and verizon requiring subsidized devices... WHY CAN'T I JUST OWN MY PHONE!?!?!?

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A33 wrote:I would buy a Kia before most any domestic(and some foreign) vehicles at the moment, without hesitation.
That's a whole different matter from reliability and business viability. Regardless of how poorly run one company may be or how successful another might be, I buy CARS I want to own. I don't buy the badge. I buy the machine. Some badges end up on more machines I want to buy than others, but in those cases the badge owes the car its allegiance, not the other way around. The Corvette isn't great because it's a Chevy. Chevy is great because they make the Corvette. Unless Kia starts building cars with V8s and rear-drive, their quality and financial standing mean nothing to me.

So, quick as I am to point out the brand's validity, "I'd buy a Kia before [x]" is never likely to be true for me. Even if I were to buy a front-drive V6 sedan, there's a LONG, LONG list of cars I'd rather own before anything Kiyundai makes. And those crazy Koreans don't even OFFER a V6 sedan anymore, falling into the foolish VW trap of "boost equals two cylinders" even though it only adds power, not refinement, smoothness, or well-roundedness.

Kia's a great company, getting better all the time. But I'll never buy one.

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RobPaulson wrote:great, i was really digging my $60/mnth unlimited text and date with 450minutes. stupid ATT and verizon requiring subsidized devices... WHY CAN'T I JUST OWN MY PHONE!?!?!?
Switch to Sprint, $69.99 for the same plan over there and they have unlimited mobile to mobile to ANY carrier. Plus they're fixing to release the Nexus S on Sprint too :cool:

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A33 wrote:
Switch to Sprint, $69.99 for the same plan over there and they have unlimited mobile to mobile to ANY carrier. Plus they're fixing to release the Nexus S on Sprint too :cool:
nah i'm just going to sell out and go with verizon.

the new moto bionic looks dope, plus i can jump on my old mans 'family plan' and my monthly payment will only go up to like $75, considering the coverage of tmob/sprint is in my area compared to VZW, its basically worth the 15 more/mnth.

PS chris, PM'd u that pic. :bigthumb:

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My girl has sprint and I can honestly say I'm happy I am not with them. She's had nothing but problems over the last 6 months. And their customer service is about three notches below awful.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:That's a whole different matter from reliability and business viability. Regardless of how poorly run one company may be or how successful another might be, I buy CARS I want to own. I don't buy the badge. I buy the machine. Some badges end up on more machines I want to buy than others, but in those cases the badge owes the car its allegiance, not the other way around. The Corvette isn't great because it's a Chevy. Chevy is great because they make the Corvette. Unless Kia starts building cars with V8s and rear-drive, their quality and financial standing mean nothing to me.

So, quick as I am to point out the brand's validity, "I'd buy a Kia before [x]" is never likely to be true for me. Even if I were to buy a front-drive V6 sedan, there's a LONG, LONG list of cars I'd rather own before anything Kiyundai makes. And those crazy Koreans don't even OFFER a V6 sedan anymore, falling into the foolish VW trap of "boost equals two cylinders" even though it only adds power, not refinement, smoothness, or well-roundedness.

Kia's a great company, getting better all the time. But I'll never buy one.
Don't get me wrong, I buy cars I want to own too, and not everything Kia makes is to my liking. The Optima is an attractive car to me though, since I will likely be in the market for a 4dr sedan next time around. I'm simply basing it on what I would be interested in buying, and in a NEW 4dr Sedan the only offerings out there that i'm really interested in are the Optima, the Ford Fusion and possibly a Nissan Sentra SE-R for the money I would be willing to spend. The only way I would get a new car would be a lease, because I wouldn't buy a brand new vehicle for any reason, aside from them basically giving it to me.

Now I highly doubt I will be purchasing a new car, so in the used car market there is nothing that Kia or Hyundai makes that I would go near, they haven't really become a viable option to me until the past 1-2years, even in the new car market. So I would be more likely to go with something used in the form of a Lincoln LS or MKZ, Infiniti G35/37 Sedan, or a Maxima.

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RobPaulson wrote:nah i'm just going to sell out and go with verizon.

the new moto bionic looks dope, plus i can jump on my old mans 'family plan' and my monthly payment will only go up to like $75, considering the coverage of tmob/sprint is in my area compared to VZW, its basically worth the 15 more/mnth.

PS chris, PM'd u that pic. :bigthumb:
You can't go wrong with Verizon, the main reason we went with Sprint is we love their service and since we have 2 lines, it's dirt cheap compared to anyone else. We pay $123/mo for 1,500min/Unlimited Data/Unlimited Text/Free mobile to mobile/and Free Navigation. Plus we get yearly upgrades too :biggrin:

Got it, i'll work on it sometime today or tomorrow night :bigthumb:
AppleBonker wrote:My girl has sprint and I can honestly say I'm happy I am not with them. She's had nothing but problems over the last 6 months. And their customer service is about three notches below awful.
I've never had one bit of problems with our service, we've been with them for a year now and I have zero complaints. 75% of the fam is on Sprint too and they love it as well, I don't get why other people have so many problems with them :gotme

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A33 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I buy cars I want to own too, and not everything Kia makes is to my liking. The Optima is an attractive car to me though, since I will likely be in the market for a 4dr sedan next time around.
It would be for me as well...IF IT CAME WITH A V6. It doesn't, and won't since there's no room in the engine bay for one. Ford and particularly Chevy both offer EXCELLENT V6 options which make settling for minus-two cylinders about as appealing as being thrown out of a plane without a parachute. Doing a turbo four was a stupid, stupid, stupid decision, especially with the 3.8 from the Genesis being pretty decent. I cannot figure out what they were thinking. A smaller-displacement version of the Genny's 6 (say 3.3-3.6 liters) cranking 260-ish hp is the clearly ideal option for a top-end Optima. And don't throw EPA fuel economy numbers at me. The way to reduce fuel economy is to keep your revs down, NOT to add boost. Turbo four gets both of those wrong.

If we're talking base-model to base-model, Optima's an appealing car. But start moving up the midsize ranks and it quickly falls off the radar.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:
A33 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I buy cars I want to own too, and not everything Kia makes is to my liking. The Optima is an attractive car to me though, since I will likely be in the market for a 4dr sedan next time around.
It would be for me as well...IF IT CAME WITH A V6. It doesn't, and won't since there's no room in the engine bay for one. Ford and particularly Chevy both offer EXCELLENT V6 options which make settling for minus-two cylinders about as appealing as being thrown out of a plane without a parachute. Doing a turbo four was a stupid, stupid, stupid decision, especially with the 3.8 from the Genesis being pretty decent. I cannot figure out what they were thinking. A smaller-displacement version of the Genny's 6 (say 3.3-3.6 liters) cranking 260-ish hp is the clearly ideal option for a top-end Optima. And don't throw EPA fuel economy numbers at me. The way to reduce fuel economy is to keep your revs down, NOT to add boost. Turbo four gets both of those wrong.

If we're talking base-model to base-model, Optima's an appealing car. But start moving up the midsize ranks and it quickly falls off the radar.
I agree with you completely there, I would much rather have something else if I were looking at the turbo version. If I were going to buy an Optima, it would be the the N/A version because it gets good fuel economy and has a fairly respectable 200hp. There are much better options that get nearly identical fuel mileage and offer MORE power than the Optima Turbo, I can't buy into the whole turbocharged idea yet. I like what Ford is doing with it, but are they really getting that kind of mileage in real world driving? I highly doubt it.

Until I see some HUGE improvements in fuel mileage in these "fuel efficient" vehicles they're trying to push, i'm sticking to a V6 or V8 powered 4dr sedan. Even then, I highly doubt you'll realistically see me in something gutless. I'd rather by a used car that gets around 20mpg or so combined and deal with the minimal extra fuel expense, than to go out and spend $25-30k on a new vehicle to save a few bucks at the pump.

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I honestly don't know why we wasted all these tax dollars and court time breaking up AT&T in the late 90s. Seriously. Every single bit of those proceedings has effectively been undone over the past few years, and this deal with T-Mobile is just icing on the cake.

They're right about having to replace phones if you're on T-Mobile. It's not really a "Merger" at all. AT&T is taking control, and T-Mobile's 3G and 4G phones utilize different frequencies for their respective 3G/4G spectrum - none of which coincide with AT&Ts available 3G/4G spectrum.

If the FCC allows this merger to go through, not only will all those antitrust suits go down the drain, you can pretty much bet on Verizon going for Sprint as they're both based on CDMA architecture, and you'd be looking at a nearly identical situation to AT&T/T-Mo with respect to phones, except Verizon will stand atop the market share ladder.

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A33 wrote:Switch to Sprint, $69.99 for the same plan over there and they have unlimited mobile to mobile to ANY carrier. Plus they're fixing to release the Nexus S on Sprint too :cool:
^This. It's what I'm rocking. Coverage is good. Even in the Desert I get signal, and there's no town/city that I don't get almost full signal in.

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good comforting read for tmob customers.

http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/21/in-propos ... omers-win/

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Ace2cool wrote:^This. It's what I'm rocking. Coverage is good. Even in the Desert I get signal, and there's no town/city that I don't get almost full signal in.
Yep, i've have been very happy as a Sprint customer. Been with them for a year and absolutely no complaints, my phone rocks, my service rocks, and it doesn't break the bank :cool:


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