Anyone intrested in a CA motorset?

[Logan76]

Its in my S13 now, and I think im going to go SR just for the huge aftermarket support, Im going to take videos before I pull it to show it running and driving fine, its got a 3" dp 3" test pipe, 3 3/4" Apexi GT spec cat back, its wired up to run in an S13 and it has IC piping for a FMIC, you just need the intercooler itself due to mine being a really nice one I dont wanna really sale. 2k obo is what im looking for and I think thats a fair price. anyone intrested?

[ca18datsun510]

why dont you keep the exhaust too? its the same...

i had that exhaust on my first 240 back in 2000, and i loved it so much i got another one for my current 240.

[tyrannix]

out of curiosity: hwat exact aftermarket parts do you want for your CA that you cant get that will become easy with an SR (not sarcastic, genuine curiosity)

CJ

ps, remember youll need those rocker arm stoppers and likely more cooling with the sr too

[RalliartRsX]

What exactly comes with a 2000 payment??

Also, werent you the one a couple weeks ago that was willing to trade almost straight up a white 95 for a CA powered 240 and bashing the SR?? If so, you seem like a bandwagon jumper to me. If not, my apologies

[Logan76]

nah I dont mind any motor what I said was purely in jest, Its just that the prices for SR part's are way way cheaper, and way easier to come by, and I got 2 freinds that know the SR inside and out and are willing to help me, Im still learning and I need something that if i need help working on I can go down the street and get help ya know? and the reason im not keeping the exhaust is because I dont really like the size of it, its huge, and its loud, I want something a bit less noticeable and quieter. maybe im a bandwagon jumper if so by all means thats me.

[Logan76]

What exactly comes with a 2000 payment??

Full motorset, its in the car running as we speak, Motor, Trans, ECU, wiring harness already wired for the 240, DP, TP, cat-back, IC piping, (im keeping the IC for my next motor, its a good one and I dont see sense in selling it to buy another)

[RalliartRsX]

Any more info on engine?? (mileage, condition, rebuild, etc.).

HOws about you sell me the longblock??

[Logan76]

I really would prefer to sell it as a whole or trade it straight up for an SR motorset w/o exhaust, The receipt the guy had who sold me the car said the swap had around 37k when he put it in, he said hes ran it about 10k miles, and Ive put a good 2k miles on it, I dont think its been rebuilt. another reason I wanna get rid of my motor and all my parts is that I wanna do something by myself that I do everything to and know whats done to it.

[tyrannix]

so the situation is that you want to get rid of a running car, because of 'greater parts availability'?

not insulting you, but i really still don't understand why. i really dont see (never have) the greater parts availability thing

CAs dont need rocker arm stoppers, or oil pans... the stock fuel rail seems to do fine for high power applications. rods and pistons are redily available. light flwheels take a bit to find or receive (4-5 months for my brand new Jun from rare trick) but theres a workaround with SR stuff using a different starter.

and all the tomei stuff now redily available for valvetrain (in addition to the swapability with other engines for valve stuff)

head gaskets, arp studs (main, head, rod) and adjustable cam gears are all a few clicks away too...

theres exhaust manifolds.... but people are running SSACs with little trouble these days (or you can do an RHD convert and run the good greddys and stuff) ... then theres the full race manis... a little pricey tho..

if you got loot there are stroker kits available too (not on every webpage, but they are out there)

what you are doing sounds a little counterproductive to your goal as well. getting an engine that your friends know so they can help you, but you want to do everything yourself (being the only CA guy in your area kidna forces you to do that anyway)

seriousy, what aftermarket part do you want that you cant find now?

CJ

[Logan76]

I need a new clutch, all Ive found are spec. I want to also get a GT28RS, 550cc injectors and someway to tune it? (thinking of SAFCII dont know what my other options are?) I need a BOV and a new radiator, thats actually about it, you guys may have swayed me to keep my CA.

[asher4857]

dude.. KA clutches can be used on the CA.. im running one right now (IIRC, i could be horribly wrong)..

and for some reason this thread makes me so mad.. you were desperately looking for a ca a while ago and now that youve had one, youve apparently given up on it because "theres no aftermarket support".. for some reason this pisses me off.. atleast research next time

not too mention, all the other stuff in your list isnt SR20 specific so youd have just as hard a time finding it for the SR as the CA..

[mrzabala]

Im still searching for a ca my self. Im not sure but have you checked the crossover parts: zerothread?id=114952 ? Anyways, stick with the ca because the parts you need can be found and with a price tag around sr parts.

[RalliartRsX]

Bandwagon jumpers FTL................

You know, why dont you just sell me the longbock since you want to get rid of it so desperately?? I need another CA anyways. Plus, you can keep the transmission to be swapped in a SR or KA (whichever route you choose). Actually, you can keep most of the parts and use them on your newly found SR love. It will also be cheaper on your part as well

[davidricardo86]

dude.. KA clutches can be used on the CA.. im running one right now (IIRC, i could be horribly wrong)..

and for some reason this thread makes me so mad.. you were desperately looking for a ca a while ago and now that youve had one, youve apparently given up on it because "theres no aftermarket support".. for some reason this pisses me off.. atleast research next time

not too mention, all the other stuff in your list isnt SR20 specific so youd have just as hard a time finding it for the SR as the CA..

I am not in favor for those who just get into the latest "fad" because everyone else is doing it but im also not going to bash on you for the decision youre going to make. It is YOUR money, YOUR time, and ultimately YOUR decision. Dude im in the process of rebuilding mine and i really cant wait till it goes in and i can start driving it. But in the end, the self-gratification i will get will make it worth it even if i took longer, or ended up paying a little more. Last night i even had a dream i was putting the engine in the bay already. I say stick with the CA and use youre resources more carefully. There ARE some advantages the CA has that the SR doesnt have. Well hope you get the most with what you end up with and best wishes!

-David

[tyrannix]

I need a new clutch, all Ive found are spec. I want to also get a GT28RS, 550cc injectors and someway to tune it? (thinking of SAFCII dont know what my other options are?) I need a BOV and a new radiator, thats actually about it, you guys may have swayed me to keep my CA.

Illegal garage sells CA sepcific clutch kits too

550 injectors from what? an FC? those are 550s, right?

you want a replacement? or bigger rad? replacement will be easier to get for CA (as its teh same as KA), bigger koyo or whatever will be the same price

standalone = same for both too?

i still dont understand the 'more aftermarket' argument for SRs, i cant think of a part that i cant get for a CA, except some of the really specific stuff (like twinplate clutches... but then you can use an SR one anyway)

so yeah... your car, your money, your choices... you are an adult, do what you want.ill just let you know that the 'parts availability' argument for ditching a CA is invalid

CJ

[Logan76]

My biggest reason was because the guy didnt hook up the powersteering or the heating, I wanted to sell it all and start from scratch, but if you guys can help me figure out what I need to get the heat and powersteering working again id gladly do my best to keep the CA its a nice little motor.

[RalliartRsX]

Hmmm, that seems simple enough.

To start you might need a nice pic of the engine bay and lines. Also, a FSM is your best friend and try and trace lines using the manual (although, you may or may not be missing lines)

I think thats a start

[tyrannix]

My biggest reason was because the guy didnt hook up the powersteering or the heating, I wanted to sell it all and start from scratch, but if you guys can help me figure out what I need to get the heat and powersteering working again id gladly do my best to keep the CA its a nice little motor.

if it was a 91-93, the lines in there will work fine, if 89-90, you can bend them or get DOHC PS lines.

look under teh car, at the steering rack at the bottom of the steering column to see if they are still there (and the 2 lines that go to the rack from there)

does it have a PS pump? (shoudl be a small pump opposite the alternator. the belt for it goes on teh first rung of the pulley.... the second is for AC, the rearmost one is for the alternator and water pump)

the heating is easy, you just nead some hose thats fit for hot water, the ports for teh heater are both on the RH side, really easy to see

as far as i know, it really doesnt matter which way the heater hoses are connected. im not positive tho, somebody say im wrong and give the right answer

[float_6969]

I need a new clutch, all Ive found are spec. I want to also get a GT28RS, 550cc injectors and someway to tune it? (thinking of SAFCII dont know what my other options are?) I need a BOV and a new radiator, thats actually about it, you guys may have swayed me to keep my CA.

Nothing wrong with SPEC. I've got their stage III right now and I've power shifted multiple times on it and it rarely slips. I've put at least 250hp through it w/o a problem. The pedal feel is kinda light, but driving it around town a lot will make you appreciate it.

The GT28RS shouldn't be that big of a deal to get bolted up to the CA, but I will warn you that the little CA doesn't like big backhousing and that turbo will lag pretty badly on you. An S15 SR T28 (GT28R) is good for 250-280RWHP which is a pretty damn fast car by anybody's book.

550cc injectors are easy. Any Bosch top feed will work. The Primary's from an FC are the cheapest route.

Norris Designs out of the UK is a very reputable tuner and has a good chip that one of our moderators is using and is very happy with it. The SAFC should be used to supplement an ECU tune to fine tune the fuel curve. Using it to adjust for major changes like considerable injector increases or MAFS changes can lead to bad engine timing as it basically lies to the ECU to get it to do what it wants which effects the timing.

BOV's are universal.

What's wrong with your radiator? I'm running a brand new single core from Advance auto and have no cooling problems whatsoever. If you do want better cooling though, a KOYO for a KA works just fine.

My biggest reason was because the guy didnt hook up the powersteering or the heating, I wanted to sell it all and start from scratch, but if you guys can help me figure out what I need to get the heat and powersteering working again id gladly do my best to keep the CA its a nice little motor.

Heating is stupid easy. There is just a couple of lines at the back of the motor under the intake mani that need hooked up to the heater core lines coming out of the firewall.

Powersteering isn't a big deal either as long as the motor has the pump attached to it. The rest of the parts you need can be had from a 91-93 240sx.

[Logan76]

the p/s lines are all there just unconnected, its a 91 btw, so im doubting it has a pump, ill get some pics for you guys so you can help me out...if its the lines underneat the intake manifold I think your talking about, I looked and saw like 5 little outlets that looked like they should have small hoses hooked to them but they didnt, could that possibly be it?

[asher4857]

i think your looking in the wrong place..

your motor should have the pump.. not your car.. and the lines would be routed basically underneath the engine and up the driver side part of the bay if it were a 91

[Logan76]

yeah thats where the line is its just not connected to anything just hanging there, its a thick black hose with a female end on it. maybe its an ac compenent?

[Logan76]

Any Ideas im thinking its a p/s line.

[tyrannix]

jack up the front of the car

go underneath with a flashlight/shop light/whatever

look at where the steering column meets the steering rack. there should be 2 hardlines on teh rear that go to the rack, then 2 lines coming out the front. one of them (the high pressure line) is what goes to teh PS pump (which should be right in front of the exhaust manifold)

the other (low pressure line) goes to teh resovior

(then theres a short line that goes from teh PS pump to the resovior)

it goes

resovior> pump>HP line> steering rack> low pres line> resovior thats your PS circuit

since its a 91, your lines and resovior should all work fine..... theres really no reason they wouldnt have been connected in teh first place... its a banjo bolt and a few clamps

just get under the car and look (you might be able to see from above, dont remmeber with stock turbo and mani if you can... but it will be obvious from underneath)

CJ

[Logan76]

Thanks bro ill get to it tommorow, If its easy to hook up, I wonder why the owner before me didnt hook it up?

[float_6969]

[progman]

Logan,

The power steering pump was not on that engine.

And those four little lines you found near the intake manifold are vacuum routing lines. They are ok to be detached. The fuel pressure regulator and butterfly values and directly connected to the vacuum line coming from the intake manifold. see the sticky vacuum line diagram (it's most of the way down):

zerothread?id=114953

All:Doesn't the stock CA PS pump has like two high pressure looking lines? and no where for the low pressure line to hook up?

I heard that you can attach the Dohc or Sohc (I don't remember) power steering pump up and get it to work that way. is this correct?

[Logan76]

Thanks bro, I changed my decision, im keeping the CA p/s or not, I wasnt thinking when I made that post...were getting new IC piping + new clutch + new turbo this winter, hopefully some management and injectors near the middle of spring.

[float_6969]

...All:Doesn't the stock CA PS pump has like two high pressure looking lines? and no where for the low pressure line to hook up?

I heard that you can attach the Dohc or Sohc (I don't remember) power steering pump up and get it to work that way. is this correct?

No, that's not a CA thing, that's a Super HICAS thing. a SOHC KA PS pump definatly won't work. I don't know about a DOHC KA PS pump working, but I doubt it.

[Logan76]

So where can I source a CA p/s pump?