Anyone here headed to the inaguration?

[lets_GET_it_ON]

I ,personally, will be attending the presidential inaguration. I am very excited and cant wait to see history. I, however, have had this thought run through the back of my head.

The inaguration will be basically a large gathering of people watching one single stage. I beleive the estimate i last heard was 2,000,000 people which is A LOT! In an open environment like this, how vulnerable are we to an attack? Regaurdless of my fear i will be attending, it will not stop be. Anyone else think that i have a valid concern?

[marlin29311]

I ,personally, will be attending the presidential inaguration. I am very excited and cant wait to see history. I, however, have had this thought run through the back of my head.

What's historic about it other than it's the next president being sworn in?

The inaguration will be basically a large gathering of people watching one single stage. I beleive the estimate i last heard was 2,000,000 people which is A LOT! In an open environment like this, how vulnerable are we to an attack? Regaurdless of my fear i will be attending, it will not stop be. Anyone else think that i have a valid concern?

This is why we have the secret service. If someone sneezes the wrong way, they'll be on top of it.

I won't be attending - I have to work in NJ.

[OriginalWheelman]

What's historic about it other than it's the next president being sworn in?

[Cold_Zero]

I ,personally, will be attending the presidential inaguration. I am very excited and cant wait to see history. I, however, have had this thought run through the back of my head.

As much as I would love to attend the Coronation of the Messiah, Dear Leader MaObama, I could not come up with tickets. Apparently our Senators and Congressional Delegation are too busy handing out the tickets to school children. I guess corporate types don't rank too high on their list! j/k

Quote »The inaguration will be basically a large gathering of people watching one single stage. I beleive the estimate i last heard was 2,000,000 people which is A LOT! [/quote]Just the shear amount of people going will keep me away. It will be as we like to say "asses and elbows." Even though I will have free room and board in Columbia, I will probably not take up my family's offer. But hey, if this is going to be anything like the Million Man March, it will be closer to 750k people that show up for this thing.

Quote »In an open environment like this, how vulnerable are we to an attack? Regaurdless of my fear i will be attending, it will not stop be. Anyone else think that i have a valid concern?[/quote]Wait.. what you say?!?!?! You mean the heavens are not going to open up and the Holy Spirit descend down on this occasion? And peace, love and happiness will not flow over the world now that the Messiah has been coronated? I thought that now that Dear Leader MaObama was elected, this country's enemies have become our friends. The so to speak lion would lay down with the lamb. That we as a country are now loved by the International Community and those terms like, "Blow Back" and "Thread Level Red" are now gone from our vocabulary?

I think that this coronation will show us that the McCain Campaign ad about Obama being a 'Rock Star' was true now matter how much the press poo-pooed the idea.

My advice, go and have fun. This will be something that you can tell your kids and grand kids about.Bud

[szh]

I think that this coronation will show us that the McCain Campaign ad about Obama being a 'Rock Star' was true now matter how much the press poo-pooed the idea.

Z

[Bubba1]

My advice, go and have fun. This will be something that you can tell your kids and grand kids about.Bud

+1 My wife ended up attending George HW Bush's inauguration ball. Its a long story how she got the ticket, but she went with a client. The ticket also gave her a great view of the inauguration before it She said it was memorable event worth doing once.

[bobotech]

What's historic about it other than it's the next president being sworn in?

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. What is the big deal?

I mean sure its the next prez, but that happens every 4-8 years.

I really think in the end, Obama won't be much different than any other president that has been around.

[Cold_Zero]

Apparently the Inauguration will cost $150 million with all of the after parties projected to cost $80-90 million (in private funds).

Compare to the inaugurations of the Indiana State officials. The Governor knew that Indiana is going through hard times and they scaled back the inauguration wayyyyyyy back. It consisted of the officials being sworn in at the capital building with no party. I think that this sends a better message to the people that their elected officials are willing to make sacrifices along with the people.

[OriginalWheelman]

Apparently the Inauguration will cost $150 million with all of the after parties projected to cost $80-90 million (in private funds).

Compare to the inaugurations of the Indiana State officials. The Governor knew that Indiana is going through hard times and they scaled back the inauguration wayyyyyyy back. It consisted of the officials being sworn in at the capital building with no party. I think that this sends a better message to the people that their elected officials are willing to make sacrifices along with the people.

*Disclaimer* Sarcasm Contentnah they haz to spend like crazy to get the economy going again

[Cali 2 Balti G]

What's historic about it other than it's the next president being sworn in?

This is why we have the secret service. If someone sneezes the wrong way, they'll be on top of it.

I won't be attending - I have to work in NJ.

Im not really in this section of the forum often - so excuse me if this has already been covered - but are you guys really questioning the historic significance of a Black President??

As for the inauguration - it DOES stimulate the economy in terms of all the labor and overtime required to service and secure the events, all of the associated vendors, associated travel, lodging etc. People will be working the events, entrepreneurs and business owners will be selling products and services.

Other than that I dont really have an opinion on cost - without at least knowing what the economic impact might be.

[leesredgt]

Eh, i wont be going,dont really care to.Thats what TV is for.Plus its just another black guy up on a stage in front of millions of adoreing fans,it could be Jay-Z or 50 cent for all we know.

And no im not racist,one of my good friends is black so get over it.

[480sx]

Not going myself, i mean were already all a part of history i dont need to see it first hand(or on a really big TV freezing my A off in DC )

However this chick i know is actually going to photograph the official ball. She got her clearance and everything, its kinda cool. She will be in the room with Obama and the whole lot of them taking pictures through the whole event.

[OriginalWheelman]

Im not really in this section of the forum often - so excuse me if this has already been covered - but are you guys really questioning the historic significance of a Black President??

Keep drawing the line, see where that gets you.

[Cali 2 Balti G]

What line is being drawn?

[480sx]

The wife and I have big plans for the "Innegronation" the way Obama would want it.

-Insert long list of racial stereotypes here-

What a great way to celebrate the new United Socialist States Of America!

Go U.S.S.A!

Should i take this as a joke? This is flagrantly racist, ignorant, and offensive trash.

I want to rip you apart to be quite honest with you, but you'v already done enough to yourself with that post.

GTFO
Modified by 480sx at 5:52 PM 1/17/2009

[leesredgt]

Should i take this as a joke? This is flagrantly racist, ignorant, and offensive trash.

I want to rip you apart to be quite honest with you, but you'v already done enough to yourself with that post.

GTFO

Youll get over it sweetheart.

[480sx]

^^ Rotf, as if you know me or something.

[Cali 2 Balti G]

Should i take this as a joke? This is flagrantly racist, ignorant, and offensive trash.

I want to rip you apart to be quite honest with you, but you'v already done enough to yourself with that post.

GTFO

You shouldn't have even quoted the crap.

This forum is supposed to be - A place for intelligent and well-thought-out discussion involving politics and associated topics. No nonsense will be tolerated at all.

Based on many of the threads here, member posts, even several moderators seem not to adhere to the above statement. Clearly the words above hold no weight on this forum.

[480sx]

This forum is supposed to be - A place for intelligent and well-thought-out discussion involving politics and associated topics. No nonsense will be tolerated at all.

Thats my take on it. I dont come here to see some BS like that.

G35 - How can you honestly look at what you wrote and say that its not racist? We dont know you. Then to top it off you give us this quote. "My statements were certainly not ignorant as they were based widely on my encounters with a variety of lower class individuals of every race, color, creed and origin. " Can you say, 'Im a bigot'?

WOW. But i thought this was a joke? Socio-economic.. joke. Right. Man i bet the crowd you hang with is a riot!

In addition, saying something is racist only carries the connotation of hate. Its literal definition says that your attempt at a joke is racist, as are you. This is supported by your last post as well, with your 'socio-economic' observations that are oh so keen. Im sure with your G35 you have extensive experience with the lower class that makes your 'socio-economic' observations really carry a lot of weight.

To top it off your nonsense about tying it all in with Obama is.. stupid. The socialist comments blaming Obama for that? Stupid and ignorant.

The joke itself? You took stereotypes that every comedian and their mothers play off of and tried to make them your own. Then you added your own special dash of 'Im an abrasive bigot who knows very little about politics and the real world. I love kool-aid too!' to really set it off.

So many other problems and contradictions here G35, but your not worth the time to rip apart any further. Find the general chat section and post your racist retarded jokes there. They still wont be well received if they even remotely resemble the literary equivalent to having someone take a dump in your shoe and then putting that shoe on with no socks while its still fresh that you have displayed here.

This is not the place for tasteless, stupid, racist jokes. Just to reiterate my main point.

/End Sub-thread

[OriginalWheelman]

To top it off your nonsense about tying it all in with Obama is.. stupid. The socialist comments blaming Obama for that? Stupid and ignorant

Like blaming Bush for the economy.

[480sx]

Im not the only person who took offense to your attempt at a joke. If it was the least bit clever it wouldnt have been so bad, but ffs..

Again, main point here. Intelligent and well thought out, your post was neither of those and by definition did not belong here. You might have spent a lot of time thinking about it, but that doesnt not mean it was well thought out.

I cant believe you dug up a quote from like 4 months ago, lol now THATS funny(or i wonder who supplied that one ).

Im like this all the time, ill chill when im dead. To much **** to do in this life.

Your crafty attempt to stifle me with name calling and hatred shows you are a true intellectual and a pillar of the community.

You really think that was hateful? I love it when i get an excuse to chew into someone for a sound reason, i have a smile on my face the whole time and a song in my heart. I suppose i come off a lot of times in ways i dont mean to online.

And yet you call me the bigot?!?!

You come across as one with your joke that you find hilarious yet no one has yet to share your sentiment. You might think its funny and well crafted, other people could very easily see it as something else entirely. Then your statement from which you defend your 'supposed to be a joke' with 'real life' experiences in dealing with the poor.

You seem to be the one who throws a lot of stones and passes judgement hastily. You might want to check yourself first before you call someone bigoted.

I do, its in my nature to call people out, stir up ish and get into arguments. I try not to do it without good reason anymore. Born that way, will die that way. I do have a problem with prematurely labeling people, personal issue. I try not to judge people, these words are simply my opinions and thoughts nothing more nothing less. You can do with them what you will.

A bigot however? Bit of a stretch. Im very tolerant of just about any idea or opinion, lifestyle, whatever. What im not tolerant of is racist trash that could be read and taken as such in a POLITICS forum that i frequent. If it was in a different place i would have simply ignored and forgotten about it quickly.

Just so I understand... it's okay for you to make stereotypical (in your words- RACIST) statements without recourse???? Very hypocritical.

Hehe.. So, by calling you a racist after you make a flagrantly racist series of generalizations about people of color i am stereotyping you?

Lol i suppose, such a stretch though. Got a problem with being stereotyped? Dont feed into it by posting racist garbage in a politics forum.

I seriously am laughing about you calling me hypocritical though, thats pretty classic. You make a nasty racial joke, i call you a racist and i get called a hypocrite for the act of calling you a racist, thats great, seriously.

It's funny how I hear comedians "of color" making fun of white people all the time and stereotyping them with derogatory mannerisms... I wonder why they don't fall under such scrutiny...

First of all, they are comedians in an environment that currently loves racily charged intelligent humor. Second, they arnt in a POLITICS FORUM, they are in a club or on Comedy central. You are neither a comedian or on Comedy Central.

You've done such a fine job so far by pulling the race card.

/sub-thread Seriously i thought it was done.. I suppose if i stick more to my core arguments and less on the personal side of things this whole process would go a lot smoother..
Modified by 480sx at 4:03 PM 1/16/2009

[480sx]

Let us bury the hatchet here and move on.

Agreed.

[Cold_Zero]

Im not really in this section of the forum often - so excuse me if this has already been covered - but are you guys really questioning the historic significance of a Black President??

I guess where I find the apparent contradiction about this whole "First Black President being historically significant" is that the generations after the civil rights movement have been told not to judge people on their race but on their character. So if I am to take my racially sensitive training to its logical conclusion, Barrack Obama becoming President is historically significant because our country has elected another citizen to lead this country, but is not significant because of his race. What I further ironic is that my wife's school corporation is making a big deal about curriculum that they can use to teach on this historic inauguration. Yet when other black people are the first to do something in their field or profession, the historicity of their achievement is over looked. I guess the kids are being trained to be motivated and driven by the National News Media. Another contradiction is that the fact that Barrack's half white ethnicity is totally lost in this 'significance.' Nuff said.

Quote »As for the inauguration - it DOES stimulate the economy in terms of all the labor and overtime required to service and secure the events, all of the associated vendors, associated travel, lodging etc. People will be working the events, entrepreneurs and business owners will be selling products and services.[/quote]Oh I am sure it 'stimulates' the economy, but what no one talks about with these 'stimulus' packages is the fact that most general labors (in this case cooks, servers and the people that setup for the party) tend to be legal or possibly illegal workers from Latin America who when they are paid, do not go out and buy a new car or TV to stimulate the economy. No they go down to the local Kroger and Western Union massive amounts of money back to Mexico or another foreign country. So one has to ask, who's economy are we really stimulating? I would like to know how many of Billions of dollars on Friday are being wired outside of this country?

[Cold_Zero]

You shouldn't have even quoted the crap.

This forum is supposed to be - A place for intelligent and well-thought-out discussion involving politics and associated topics. No nonsense will be tolerated at all.

Based on many of the threads here, member posts, even several moderators seem not to adhere to the above statement. Clearly the words above hold no weight on this forum.

Why don't you let the moderators of this forum do their job and you can do your job. If you feel that the rules are not properly enforced, I would either suggest that you contact the forum moderators personally and discuss it with them, or leave.

I have been reluctant with certain peoples to wholesale moderate what they say as in the past it has stifled the conversation and the responsible members of this forum typically take it upon themselves by correcting these illogical posts that you speak of.

I admit, I am not above polemic attacks. I hope that you can see that my polemic attacks are on topic, witty and make their points.

[Cali 2 Balti G]

I guess where I find the apparent contradiction about this whole "First Black President being historically significant" is that the generations after the civil rights movement have been told not to judge people on their race but on their character. So if I am to take my racially sensitive training to its logical conclusion, Barrack Obama becoming President is historically significant because our country has elected another citizen to lead this country, but is not significant because of his race. What I further ironic is that my wife's school corporation is making a big deal about curriculum that they can use to teach on this historic inauguration. Yet when other black people are the first to do something in their field or profession, the historicity of their achievement is over looked. I guess the kids are being trained to be motivated and driven by the National News Media. Another contradiction is that the fact that Barrack's half white ethnicity is totally lost in this 'significance.' Nuff said.

The fact that Obama is the first Black president is not a judgement - it is a fact - so I think you are confusing terms. To acknowledge the historical significance is not a judgement it is a fact. Remember - when this country was founded Blacks were not even considered (in this country) to be human. This is why the phrase "all me created equal" - at the time it was written - did not apply to Blacks - as they were not considered to be men.

In terms of racial definition - historically if you had any significant percentage of Black in you - you were considered Black - period. I define significant - as visibly distinguishable. We know which drinking fountain he would have used in the 60s right ??

Oh I am sure it 'stimulates' the economy, but what no one talks about with these 'stimulus' packages is the fact that most general labors (in this case cooks, servers and the people that setup for the party) tend to be legal or possibly illegal workers from Latin America who when they are paid, do not go out and buy a new car or TV to stimulate the economy. No they go down to the local Kroger and Western Union massive amounts of money back to Mexico or another foreign country. So one has to ask, who's economy are we really stimulating? I would like to know how many of Billions of dollars on Friday are being wired outside of this country?

Yeah right - I'm not even sure you read what u just wrote but (I guess it wasnt enough to have the comments that are derogatory to Blacks) - ok - I guess all of the government personnell from military - to fed, State, City, police, emergency personell, highway workers, etc etc etc all are mostly latin too right? What makes you focus on that piece of the pie? I would imagine it would be a pretty small slice.

The Latin American immigrants you are stereotyping come to the U.S. laregely because they often cannot make a living in their own country. Why - because the big multinational business and dominant governments take all the resources and leave the common people with nothing. This is why they are willing to risk their lives to come to the US to get up at 4AM or earlier to work for less than minimum wages doing the work that no one else wants to do. All this to support their family - which is why the money is sent home - and they dont as you say - "buy a new car or tv" .

Going further - these folks are the ones spending money in the walmarts etc as well as the smaller community Mom and Pop stores. They are often renting the houses/rooms in the parts of town you don;'t want to.

Now let me be clear my statements above do not indicate any personal belief on my part - these are the just my summary of the major pieces o fthe pie - more of the complete picture. Not just a piece of it - to make a "witty" remark with.

Cold_Zero - Im not at all attacking or insulting you - just responding to what you wrote and thanks for inviting me to leave. The "joke" that stirred the reaction wasn't witty or even funny, it was just a regurgitation of ....

So since - the forum description says - nonsense will not be tolerated - what is the definition of nonsense?


Modified by Cali 2 Balti G at 9:20 AM 1/17/2009

[OriginalWheelman]

Ok on the second part there, it's your poor understanding of economics. Money revolves. There is a finite amount, and wee need it here. Every time a dollar leaves the country, there is less money in circulation in the US. If they spent that dollar on a TV, part of it goes to the guy at Walmart who sold it to him, part of it goes to the power company to keep the lights on in walmart, part to the guy who polishes the floor at night, etc. If that dollar leaves the US, a part of our economy goes with it. That is why trade deficits are such a big deal.

And as I have said before. Drawing the line between black and white, for whatever reason breeds division, and division breeds hate. Look at it this way, If Obama was white, would you still care? If not, your a racist.

[Cold_Zero]

The fact that Obama is the first Black president is not a judgement - it is a fact - so I think you are confusing terms. To acknowledge the historical significance is not a judgement it is a fact. Remember - when this country was founded Blacks were not even considered (in this country) to be human. This is why the phrase "all me created equal" - at the time it was written - did not apply to Blacks - as they were not considered to be men.

The fact is that Obama is the first half African and half white President of the United States. If that makes him black or white that is another discussion. I was using the term 'judgment' in its definition of 'to formulate or hold an opinion' in this case of History. The statement "The Inauguration of the first Black President is a historically significant" is a judgment on history. I suspect that you are using the term in its usage of passing judgment in its judicial context. Kind of like "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself." I guess in looking back at my cultural sensitivity training, I have never understood your context of judge in the phrase "judge not by the color of a person's skin but on the content of their character." While most people may think of this phrase as warning against passing judgment as in someone has done something wrong, I have never understood this phrase in this context. I have always understood is as being formulating an opinion with about a person not based on their race, color or ethnicity, but on the character of who they are. So applying historicity to this Inauguration based on the man's ethnicity is an apparent contraction because history and the country have not had the chance to form an opinion or judgment on Obama's character and impact to this country.

Quote »In terms of racial definition - historically if you had any significant percentage of Black in you - you were considered Black - period. I define significant - as visibly distinguishable. We know which drinking fountain he would have used in the 60s right ??[/quote]I am not going to delve into a discussion about 'race.' I really could care less about other people's race or ethnicity at this moment. It is not something that I am passionate about because the emotional fervor that is applied to it, disgusts me.

Quote »Yeah right - I'm not even sure you read what u just wrote but (I guess it wasnt enough to have the comments that are derogatory to Blacks) - ok - I guess all of the government personnell from military - to fed, State, City, police, emergency personell, highway workers, etc etc etc all are mostly latin too right? What makes you focus on that piece of the pie? I would imagine it would be a pretty small slice.[/quote]Yes I did read what I wrote. I would also like to ask you where I was ever being derogatory towards Black people with my comments. My outrage may appear to be aimed at Obama, has nothing to do with his ethnicity (being Half Caucasian and Half African). It has everything to do with a MAN that has been elevated to a god (demigod?) status. My attempt is to cut his supporters off at their knees for their idolatry. This especially applies to the people that ran his campaign and propped him up as the cult of personality.

With that being said, no one doubts that money spent on the Inauguration wont have some economic impact. I merely wanted to point out one problem in this country that we have with stimulating our economy. Do you deny that money that is earned by foreign workers here in the US, that is taxed (or not) and is then shipped outside the borders of this country doesn’t have an economic impact to this country? When you understand the economic impact and benefit of money being re-invested in this country and not being taken out of 'the system' by being shipped overseas or taken away from the Government, you understand why this is an issue. I am more versed in this situation with South Asian contractors in this country than the Latinos. While I have the utmost respect for them, you would have to be silly to think that they stimulate the United States economy better than an American worker who will re-invest money not only through tax dollars (paid) that build up the infrastructure of this country, but also by spending his/her money for goods and services inside the country. If you don’t believe me about the amount of money that is sent out of this country on pay day, please go down to your local Western Union store on Friday, after work. Watch who shows up, how much money they hand over to be wired and where it goes. I think you will be shocked as to the amount of money that is sent outside of the country. It doesn’t matter what country or continent the money is sent to. When you are flipping the bill for the Government to hand out money, that will be earned by foreign workers and promptly sent outside of this country, you can not help but to wonder if it is the most effective way to stimulate the our economy.

Now as to the amount of money that is being spent on this Inauguration. The phrase 'Live above reproach' use to be heeded by our leaders and politicians. They understood that even though something may not be illegal or immoral, it may look bad in the peoples' eyes. When this country is being asked to 'tighten the belt' and to make sacrifices in the face of economic hardship, it appears to look bad that we are spending large amounts of money on extravagant ceremonies that may not be the wisest use of our money.

Quote »The Latin American immigrants you are stereotyping come to the U.S. laregely because they often cannot make a living in their own country. Why - because the big multinational business and dominant governments take all the resources and leave the common people with nothing. This is why they are willing to risk their lives to come to the US to get up at 4AM or earlier to work for less than minimum wages doing the work that no one else wants to do. All this to support their family - which is why the money is sent home - and they dont as you say - "buy a new car or tv" .

Going further - these folks are the ones spending money in the walmarts etc as well as the smaller community Mom and Pop stores. They are often renting the houses/rooms in the parts of town you don;'t want to.[/quote]First of all, emotion aside, let us approach this discussion logically. No where did I ever question the work ethnic nor the motivation of foreign workers to come to this country and provide for their family. Their ethics in my book should be commended. It should also be pointed out that there is NO entitlement for foreign workers in this country. They come, provide a service that we need and then leave. Trying to affix an emotional summation to their ‘plight’ is not germane to this discussion. It should also be noted that I have not called for foreign workers to be expelled from this country nor to be looked down upon. This discussion all revolves around getting the most bang for our Stimulus bucks and calling for discussion or investigating of the economic impact of foreign workers sending their wages overseas. That is it.

Quote »Cold_Zero - Im not at all attacking or insulting you - just responding to what you wrote and thanks for inviting me to leave. The "joke" that stirred the reaction wasn't witty or even funny, it was just a regurgitation of .... [/quote]I hope that it was not my joke…

[Cali 2 Balti G]

The fact is that Obama is the first half African and half white President of the United States. If that makes him black or white that is another discussion. I was using the term 'judgment' in its definition of 'to formulate or hold an opinion' in this case of History. The statement "The Inauguration of the first Black President is a historically significant" is a judgment on history. I suspect that you are using the term in its usage of passing judgment in its judicial context. Kind of like "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself." I guess in looking back at my cultural sensitivity training, I have never understood your context of judge in the phrase "judge not by the color of a person's skin but on the content of their character." While most people may think of this phrase as warning against passing judgment as in someone has done something wrong, I have never understood this phrase in this context. I have always understood is as being formulating an opinion with about a person not based on their race, color or ethnicity, but on the character of who they are. So applying historicity to this Inauguration based on the man's ethnicity is an apparent contraction because history and the country have not had the chance to form an opinion or judgment on Obama's character and impact to this country.

I am not going to delve into a discussion about 'race.' I really could care less about other people's race or ethnicity at this moment. It is not something that I am passionate about because the emotional fervor that is applied to it, disgusts me.

Yes I did read what I wrote. I would also like to ask you where I was ever being derogatory towards Black people with my comments. My outrage may appear to be aimed at Obama, has nothing to do with his ethnicity (being Half Caucasian and Half African). It has everything to do with a MAN that has been elevated to a god (demigod?) status. My attempt is to cut his supporters off at their knees for their idolatry. This especially applies to the people that ran his campaign and propped him up as the cult of personality.

With that being said, no one doubts that money spent on the Inauguration wont have some economic impact. I merely wanted to point out one problem in this country that we have with stimulating our economy. Do you deny that money that is earned by foreign workers here in the US, that is taxed (or not) and is then shipped outside the borders of this country doesn’t have an economic impact to this country? When you understand the economic impact and benefit of money being re-invested in this country and not being taken out of 'the system' by being shipped overseas or taken away from the Government, you understand why this is an issue. I am more versed in this situation with South Asian contractors in this country than the Latinos. While I have the utmost respect for them, you would have to be silly to think that they stimulate the United States economy better than an American worker who will re-invest money not only through tax dollars (paid) that build up the infrastructure of this country, but also by spending his/her money for goods and services inside the country. If you don’t believe me about the amount of money that is sent out of this country on pay day, please go down to your local Western Union store on Friday, after work. Watch who shows up, how much money they hand over to be wired and where it goes. I think you will be shocked as to the amount of money that is sent outside of the country. It doesn’t matter what country or continent the money is sent to. When you are flipping the bill for the Government to hand out money, that will be earned by foreign workers and promptly sent outside of this country, you can not help but to wonder if it is the most effective way to stimulate the our economy.

Now as to the amount of money that is being spent on this Inauguration. The phrase 'Live above reproach' use to be heeded by our leaders and politicians. They understood that even though something may not be illegal or immoral, it may look bad in the peoples' eyes. When this country is being asked to 'tighten the belt' and to make sacrifices in the face of economic hardship, it appears to look bad that we are spending large amounts of money on extravagant ceremonies that may not be the wisest use of our money.

First of all, emotion aside, let us approach this discussion logically. No where did I ever question the work ethnic nor the motivation of foreign workers to come to this country and provide for their family. Their ethics in my book should be commended. It should also be pointed out that there is NO entitlement for foreign workers in this country. They come, provide a service that we need and then leave. Trying to affix an emotional summation to their ‘plight’ is not germane to this discussion. It should also be noted that I have not called for foreign workers to be expelled from this country nor to be looked down upon. This discussion all revolves around getting the most bang for our Stimulus bucks and calling for discussion or investigating of the economic impact of foreign workers sending their wages overseas. That is it.

I hope that it was not my joke…

The joke I was referring was the original joke - not yours.

This thread was about the inauguration - you somehow connected it to Latinos - and sending money overseas. Mind you - you've offered no figures or references - just ur observations from the local western union.

As for my response I'm also not sure what uv perceived as emotion - simply stating the facts. The only emotion in this thread is Haterism - how did a thread about attendign the inauguration and security digress to latinos sending billions of dollars out of the u.s.?

You do the same thing (send money out of the country) - unless u somehow buy only products made in the U.S. You said u are a coporate type - what kind of business are you in?

I wont argue the historical significance -of the first black president a first generation African (Kenyan) American, who was democratically elected by a broad spectrum of voters reflecting the diversity of the us population. and The fact that the historical stereotypes used against Blacks/Africans are used in this thread is a further indication of significance of his victory as well as a reminder that racism and the mindsets behind them still exist.

His victory is also evidence that on many levels that same mindset is changing as well - he could not have won if only Blacks voted for him.

He has already been judged - do you think he would have been elected if the majority of people felt he was of poor character? History has already judged him to be worthy of the privildege of holding the position - just like every President before him. Overwhelming majority, no controversy - no chads.

His election is the evidence of so much promise and potential for change for so many. His diversity is also a source of his potential - this is why he is so popular internationally. History in the end will judge Obama on his performance - just like the Presidents before him.

I wouldnt mind participating on a separate thread where a particular issue can be discussed - including actual figures where possible or agreement on facts that should be common knowledge. This is the only way a real discussion can occur - otherwise it is just bs.

[480sx]

You have no idea if your posts and the incident relating to your HD are related. Jumping the gun a bit IMO. Sound theory though.

Your also saying your not welcome here because of one bad thread and the possibly unrelated hacking indecent by a single individual. Doesnt have to be a Nico member who hacked you guy..

Hate losing a HD. I never cried so hard as the day my pron collection was lost, i was for lack of a better word broken that day. 10 years worth. I too vowed vengeance, one day the haxor will feel my pain. God speed FBI, god speed.

I hope you dont think i could have possibly been petty enough to do such a thing.

Anyway GL in your future endeavors, hope you didnt lose to much on that HD. If there is anything important on your HD, ALWAYS have a ghost harddrive setup to prevent such occurrences. Very easy to setup and would have prevented this from being such a disaster.

EDIT - Holy moderated thread batman!
Modified by 480sx at 5:46 PM 1/17/2009

[ishkabibble]

Despite owning a condo down the street from the Capitol, I am glad we are no longer live in DC and glad we will not be around for the inauguration. The city is run like a 3rd world country and the Metro system is falling apart during normal times... I can only imagine how messed up it's going to be over the next few days.