Another Republican who won't be running in 2012l

[telcoman]

Another holier than thou Republican fails his wife and family.

http://voices.washingtonpost.c...tslot

http://www.buenosairesherald.c.../4738

Tell us again about family values governor

At least he was with a woman so Sanford gets a

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Update

"Fox News reports that the mistress is named Maria Belen Shapur. She is 43 and is an employee of an international agriculture company. Fluent in several languages, she lives in an upscale apartment building in Buenos Aires. "A witness who works in the building described her as a beautiful brunette with big eyes who plays tennis on a nearby lawn and runs every morning in her neighborhood," reports Fox." searched google images, no pix of shapur

If she is a MILF he'll get a

+10

She must be really hot and experianced if Sanford is giving up his marriage, the SC governorship, and being a future possible presidential candidate in 2012.

Telcoman

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[heliochrome85]

what is a bigger threat to the sanctity of marriage? Gay marriage or the Republican party?

[smockers83]

As soon as I first heard this story that he had disappeared, I knew immediately that he didn't just disappear. What solidified it was the fact that he's done it before. Hmm, peculiar? I guess now it makes sense to everyone in SC.

On top of him, there's a guy in Congress that admitted to an affair with a staff member.

The Republican party is becoming the Roman Catholic priest sex scandal of yesteryear.

[telcoman]

As soon as I first heard this story that he had disappeared, I knew immediately that he didn't just disappear. What solidified it was the fact that he's done it before. Hmm, peculiar? I guess now it makes sense to everyone in SC.

On top of him, there's a guy in Congress that admitted to an affair with a staff member.

The Republican party is becoming the Roman Catholic priest sex scandal of yesteryear.

Mark Sanford was a very vocal and outspoken critic of President Clinton calling for his resignation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/....html

So I'm wondering how long before he resigns?

what is a bigger threat to the sanctity of marriage? Gay marriage or the Republican party?

In my opinion neither.

The Republicans just need to stay out of peoples personal lives and bedrooms and concentrate on providing good governance and stop worrying about who is marrying whom.

[Cold_Zero]

HmmmmNorth Korea threatens the US with nuclear war and the press is obsessed with the Gov. of South Carolina's love affair. How convenient.

I do have to say that guys like Bill Clinton, John Edwards and Elliot Spitzer are the epitome of the true defenders of the sanctity of Marriage.

[heliochrome85]

oh bud. you guys never miss an opportunity to skewer a democrat. i mean socialist. i mean liberal.

All I know is that it is high time for the country to realise the GOP is not the party of morals any more. Their exclusionary politics don't work when in the end, they are a party of hypocrites. I find it offensive that people can sit and destroy the dignity of the gay and lesbian community, with rallies and hatespeech, because of the supposed threat to the definition of marriage, when >50% of US heterosexual marriages end in divorce.

A spade is a spade is a spade. Talk about clinton all you want. this is just another example of the people who sit and lambast the left as being godless heathens, thye are them selves just as bad.

[Cold_Zero]

The Republican party is becoming the Roman Catholic priest sex scandal of yesteryear.

Smockers,The Republican Party has been no stranger to sex scandals. With the likes of Larry Craig, Mark Foley or Dan Burton they have been knee deep into scandals.

[Cold_Zero]

oh bud. you guys never miss an opportunity to skewer a democrat. i mean socialist. i mean liberal.

Dude you know I live Kabobs. You mention skewer and that is all I can think about!

All I know is that it is high time for the country to realise the GOP is not the party of morals any more.

I think its high time that people in this country realize that neither political party nor any politician should be a role model of virtue. Regardless of how en/through/exclusionary they are. It's also high time that libs, the press and polemicists like Howie, realize the way you destroy a political party is not to go after their sexual transgressions. This methodology hasn't worked for the Republicans and sure hasn't worked for the Democrats.

[heliochrome85]

dont talk to me about kabobs. meat is quite expensive down here since it has to be flown in, and its not very good. i would kill KILLLLLLLL for a nice aged tenderloin kabob right now.

also, i agree. people are too interested in the intimate details of our politicians lives. if we truly elect people who reprensent us, then it is only reasonabel that a lot of them would be divorced, or having affairs, since as a society, both are seen in high frequencies.

[audtatious]

He should step down. You don't preach about a set of values that you yourself are breaking. nuff said.

Telco, your thoughts on all the Dem scandals? I was actually going to post a thread about this but knew you would do it for me.

This does well for the media as they have something else to focus on besides Palin. This stupid guy will be eaten up worse than any of the Dems who have done similar, or worse. Good riddance. Now, if the RINO's would all leave and be replaced by fiscal conservatives the party would be better off.

[srellim234]

Why is it necessary for the fiscal conservatives to own the "Republican" name? Let the RINOs have it and find a fiscally conservative party or get a group to form one. Insisting the RINOs leave is not going to work since the fiscal conservatives are still being counted among the followers of those RINOs who have become the mouthpieces of the party.

Perhaps you could name it the FCC (Fiscally Conservative Coalition).

[AZhitman]

The Republicans just need to stay out of peoples personal lives and bedrooms and concentrate on providing good governance and stop worrying about who is marrying whom.

Finally, Howie posts something worthy of the pixels on my screen.

Party affiliation is irrelevant in these instances. One's behavior, when one purports to represent a group of constituents, should be above reproach. NOT "model citizen", mind you, but certainly free of acts that call their integrity and good sense into question.

[telcoman]

HmmmmNorth Korea threatens the US with nuclear war and the press is obsessed with the Gov. of South Carolina's love affair. How convenient.

I do have to say that guys like Bill Clinton, John Edwards and Elliot Spitzer are the epitome of the true defenders of the sanctity of Marriage.

Put Bill Clinton against any Republican in a national election and he would win hands down.

What he did with Monica although poor judgement, brought the whole issue of oral sex out in the open among sexually active teens.It prevents unwanted pregnancy and abortions.

Many American voters have not forgotten Terry Schaivo

http://www.wnd.com/news/articl...43406

and how the Republicans and other right wingnuts intervened on what should have been a private family matter with a war raging in Iraq in 2005.

The election results of 2006 where the Republicans lost control of congress should have been a warning but instead they finally got the message last November.

They seem to be running out of prospects for 2012.

They still don't get it that the majority of Americans do not accept their BS in trying to get into the personal lives of Americans and do not practice what they preach.

Telcoman

[szh]

What he did with Monica although poor judgement, brought the whole issue of oral sex out in the open among sexually active teens.It prevents unwanted pregnancy and abortions.

So, the Democratic solution to teen sex problem is to encourage fellatio?

I guess the boys get to have fun, but what about the teen girls needs?



Z

[telcoman]

He should step down. You don't preach about a set of values that you yourself are breaking. nuff said.

Telco, your thoughts on all the Dem scandals? I was actually going to post a thread about this but knew you would do it for me.

We have Elliot Spitzer in NY and Jim McGreevy in NJ.

No big deal in my opinion.

The big difference in their scandals and the other democrats is they do not stand up preaching against gay rights and other personal sex issues.

Sex scandals have been going on for a long time in many countries. In Europe it hardly matters. If the religous right would just STFU about it it wouldn't be such a big issue in the press whenever a Republican gets caught.

Kennedy was a great president. Does anyone really care about the rumors about him and Marylyn Monroe?I think not.

Same with President Clinton. It is the right wingnuts that keep bringing it up over his indescretion with Monica. It was two hetrosexual adults having consentual sex. It was a personal and Hillary matter. If Hillary got over it so should all the wingnuts.

Sanford grandstanding and calling for his impeachment has now come back to bite him in the $ss. He should be stepping down and if he used taxpayer money to travel to Argentina he should be charged and forced to pay back the money.

Telcoman

[BusyBadger]

Kennedy was a great president. Does anyone really care about the rumors about him and Marylyn Monroe?

Not really, but I do have concerns over the "alleged" voter fraud in the city of Chicago on the part of Daley and in the state of Texas thanks to Lyndon Johnson. Then there's the ties to the Giancana crime family and the union votes he delivered. On a side note, that Kennedy Family Curse is a beast isn't it? I wonder if Ted thought he'd last so long.

Same with President Clinton. It is the right wingnuts that keep bringing it up over his indescretion with Monica. It was two hetrosexual adults having consentual sex. It was a personal and Hillary matter.

And the same story on my end, its his personal life. I do have a problem with his going on air and outright lying to the American public and later having the audacity to debate the meaning of the word is. If he'd have owned up to it on the front end or said "Its none of your business" I'd never would have had a single problem with it.

I guess the boys get to have fun, but what about the teen girls needs?

Z

In the spirit of Lewinsky they can purchase a cigar when they're 18.

[AZhitman]

So, the Democratic solution to teen sex problem is to encourage fellatio?

I guess the boys get to have fun, but what about the teen girls needs?

Z

No, you've got it all wrong, Z.

With the Dems, it's boy-on-boy.

I kill me.

[Cold_Zero]

The big difference in their scandals and the other democrats is they do not stand up preaching against gay rights and other personal sex issues.

Sex scandals have been going on for a long time in many countries. In Europe it hardly matters. If the religous right would just STFU about it it wouldn't be such a big issue in the press whenever a Republican gets caught.

Somehow, I knew this was going to come up when you made your first comment. Howie, I suspect your not that all concerned with the backlash of Republicans being caught in sex scandals. No, I have a feeling that is just an attempt to “just make them go away!” Why does it bother you so much that one religious group or political party attempts to stand up for certain moral issues? Maybe because you hope if they just go away, what they say won’t be right? I find it interesting, my boss is a ****sexual and he does not get bent out of shape on this issue. No his distain is pointed at his fellow ****sexuals that get loud and boisterous about the issue. I guess he doesn’t feel like he has to be married to his boyfriend, because I married my girlfriend. But hey, he seems a happier than most people. *shrug*

The Liberals do the same thing. Some preach the gospel of Green which the same exact thing! Yet where is YOUR outcry of people trying to get into my personal carbon foot print? You can't have it both ways.

Quote »Kennedy was a great president. Does anyone really care about the rumors about him and Marylyn Monroe?I think not. [/quote]Other than being 'Young' and 'Inspiring' I think dreamy is the term my mother would have used at the time, what did JFK do that was so great? Nearly get us Nuked during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Even his own cabinet admitted that they got worked by the Soviets in the international scene.

I know, he stood in Berlin and proudly proclaimed in German that he was a Jelly Doughnut (Berliner). That's It! One of his aides should have translated the term correctly.

With me being a young pup, you might have to impart some of your wisdom on me.

[AZhitman]

They still don't get it that the majority of Americans do not accept their BS in trying to get into the personal lives of Americans and do not practice what they preach.

Yep.

Like the Dems telling me I can't own a gun.

Like the Dems telling me I can't pick and choose who I hire.

Like the Dems telling me I should be subjected to "equal time" on talk radio.

Like the Dems telling me I can't use derogatory terms to describe someone who's "different" from me.

Like the Dems telling me I make too much money and I need to be taxed at a higher rate than some slob who won't get out of bed in the morning.

Like the Dems telling me that my kids should be subjected to smut on prime-time television.

Like the Dems telling me that my car is "destroying the environment".

Like the Dems telling my kids they can't ride their ATV's in the desert because it's "destroying a natural habitat".

I agree. Get the F outta my private life.

[Cold_Zero]

No Greg, it is just that (to them) sexual orientation and matters have become Sacrosanct.

[telcoman]

Like the Dems telling me I can't own a gun..

You can but why would anyone need a machine gun or an assault rifle?

Like the Dems telling me I can't pick and choose who I hire.

You can hire the best qualified. You just cannot discriminate.

Like the Dems telling me I should be subjected to "equal time" on talk radio.

So you don't believe in fair and balanced?

BTW i watched Barney Frank early this morning on last evenings O'ReillyHe just about told O'Reilly to STFU and let him speak to answer O'Reilly's question. Good interview!

Like the Dems telling me I can't use derogatory terms to describe someone who's "different" from me.

Are you referring to hate speech? Why would you want to use it?

Like the Dems telling me I make too much money and I need to be taxed at a higher rate than some slob who won't get out of bed in the morning.

Not exactly! Only those earning over $250k and rolling back the Bush tax cuts that benefited his very wealthy friends.

Like the Dems telling me that my kids should be subjected to smut on prime-time television.

You as a responsible parent need to be responsible to monitor what your children are not only watching on TV but also what web sites they visit.The government has no business in censorship.

Like the Dems telling me that my car is "destroying the environment".

Like the Dems telling my kids they can't ride their ATV's in the desert because it's "destroying a natural habitat".

That argument has been going on since the first emission rules went into effect over 30 years ago. California cleaned up their air and many oftheir rules have been adopted by other states as well as the federal government.

We are all responsible for cleaning up this planet for the next generation.

BTW I spent 2 weeks in China in 2005. The air was so bad in some cities that my throat burned. We don't need that here & we need to assist other countries to clean up their air

I agree. Get the F outta my private life.

Agreed, get the F government out of people's bedrooms and who they can marry and live with

Telcoman


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[audtatious]

You can but why would anyone need a machine gun or an assault rifle?

Because he wants one. Who cares unless he uses it for purpose of a crime? Criminals have access to them anyway because they don't care to follow the law.

You can hire the best qualified. You just cannot discriminate.

What if he only wanted to hire white people to work for his private company?

So you don't believe in fair and balanced?

From who's perspective? There are far more AM radio listeners who want to listen to one style of viewpoint and not the other, why is it "fair" to punish them in order to put on shows that have little listeners? It's a fact that Dem radio fails because they don't have a listener base.

Are you referring to hate speech? Why would you want to use it?

Freedom of speech? "Hate speech" is very subjective

Not exactly! Only those earning over $250k and rolling back the Bush tax cuts that benefited his very wealthy friends.

Show me where only "his very wealth friends" benefited and others did not. From your assertion there are no "very wealthy" Democrats that benefited from the policy and as we all know that is BS then what you stated it total crap.

You as a responsible parent need to be responsible to monitor what your children are not only watching on TV but also what web sites they visit.The government has no business in censorship.

Unless it has to do with God or pro-life and then you would have a hissy fit. Standard hypocritical perspectives

Agreed, get the F government out of people's bedrooms and who they can marry and live with

Get rid of marriage all together. Those who wish to be "married" can go to a church of their choice and do it.

[telcoman]

Oh Matt

Back to the original topic.

One of the reasons the dailykos is such a great website is they have many people that can write very well,Here is a brief portion for you------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Clinton impeachment manager: GOP should lose "stinking rot of self-righteousness" by kos Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 02:20:07 PM PDTOne of the Clinton impeachment managers wises up:

But with his governor now felled by similar temptations, Inglis sees an opening for the Republican Party, a chance to "lose the stinking rot of self-righteousness" and "to understand we are all in need of some grace."

This is not "Bob Inglis 1.0," the one that was a "self-righteous" expletive, he said in an interview with Washington Wire today. [...]

Indeed, Sanford’s political fall could be a saving grace for what remains of his governorship, Inglis suggested. "This may be an opportunity to extend a little grace to other people, to realize that maybe it’s not 100% this way or that way," Inglis said.

Like the Taliban and Islamic fundamentalists, conservatives seek to impose their morality on the rest of us via governmental coercion (legislation and the bully pulpit). They are incapable of minding their own business, and seek to stick their noses into peoples' bedrooms and doctor offices. Yet time and time again, their relentless moralizing is proven to be hypocritical grandstanding, as they are unable to meet even the lowest of bars they try to impose on others.

We don't care if Republicans want to f*** around on their wives and husbands. Those are private affairs. Yet Republicans seek to criminalize such behavior in a bid for votes and social approbation.

So yeah, we'll laugh and mock when Republicans are busted as hypocrites. If you want to make "family values" the centerpiece of your political persona, then don't ditch your kids on Father's Day to f*** your mistress! That so many conservatives have rules prohibiting themselves from being alone with women is telling -- they demand those rules to keep themselves in check, and meanwhile assume the rest of society is also as weak-willed as they are. Witness what Sanford said:

But I'm here because if you were to look at God's laws, they're in every instance designed to protect people from themselves.

I don't need god to tell me not to f*** around on my wife, nor a chaperone to prevent it. If you need God's law and chaperones to keep your libido in check, all the power to you, but that's your problem, not mine. Keep government out of it.

But they won't, and they'll never learn, and Inglis' words of newfound wisdom will fall on deaf ears inside his party. And inevitably, the party of "family values" will regularly offer up hypocrites for us to mock.

Permalink :: Discuss (202 comments)Tags: Bob Inglis, Mark Sanford (all tags) Sanford's original plan: 10 days, AWOL by Jed Lewison Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 01:46:03 PM PDTBen Smith reports:

On or around the day his wife asked him to move out, South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford booked a ten-day trip to Buenos Aires, a person familiar with the governor's travel plans told POLITICO.

Sanford booked the trip on Delta Air Lines on June 10, using the company's SkyMiles program, the source said. He bought a ticket for June 18, returning June 28.

So Sanford thought he could be AWOL for 10 days, without anybody knowing where he was, totally incommunicado?

Forget the sex scandal. That's normal stuff compared to this.

Think about it for a moment. Mark Sanford thought it was okay for him, as a sitting governor, to leave the country for 10 days without telling a soul what his plans were, where he would be, or how to contact him.

Now that is certifiably crazy.

Permalink :: Discuss (393 comments-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gov Mark Sanford, just another typical Republican hypocrite

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

You can but why would anyone need a machine gun or an assault rifle?

Why would you need to marry another man?

GET OUT OF MY PERSONAL LIFE, Libbies!

[AZhitman]

You can hire the best qualified. You just cannot discriminate.

What if my business clientele (let's say, a restaurant) prefers only Black waiters. I HAVE to hire a Chinese person? That's stupid. STUPID.

So you don't believe in fair and balanced?

Nope. Fair is for pansies.

Compete in the marketplace or DIE. And libby radio is DEAD. Because no one wants to hear it. The PEOPLE have spoken, Howie.

Are you referring to hate speech? Why would you want to use it?

Why not? Why can't I?

You're the one labeling it "hate" speech, yet you spew bull**** all the time about "bible-thumpers" and "wingnuts".

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? Why all the hate, Howie?

Not exactly! Only those earning over $250k and rolling back the Bush tax cuts that benefited his very wealthy friends.

I'm not his friend.

QUIT generalizing.

And the KEY WORD is EARNING. WE EARNED IT.

STAY OUT OF OUR PRIVATE LIVES, YOU LIBBIE!!!!

You as a responsible parent need to be responsible to monitor what your children are not only watching on TV but also what web sites they visit.The government has no business in censorship.

Ah, but it's ok for them to demand "fair & equal"? Bullcrap.

That argument has been going on since the first emission rules went into effect over 30 years ago. California cleaned up their air and many oftheir rules have been adopted by other states as well as the federal government.

No they haven't. You have NO idea what you're talking about.

My knowledge of this topic far exceeds yours. Don't make me make you look foolish like I did your buddy Bob.

We are all responsible for cleaning up this planet for the next generation.

I am NOT responsible for it. Quit demanding things of me. Stay out of my private life!!!

See, it works both ways.

[dusred]

Agreed, get the F government out of people's bedrooms and who they can marry and live with

Telcoman

Wait. What?

I like how you like to change the topic whenever you get in a pinch. That's why I've stopped wasting my time arguing with you.

[heliochrome85]

i love how howie is the standard bearer for the democratic party, when in reality, he would make even michael moore shudder.

we've all known for years now that the guy, while lovable, is a bit of a kook. let him spin his wheels, but dont assume he speaks for all of us.

[AZhitman]

I like how you like to change the topic whenever you get in a pinch.

When is he ever NOT in a pinch?

He's the only Lefty in this forum that HASN'T made me reconsider one of my points of view.

I remain optimistic.



Here's a good example - Matt thumps him repeatedly upside his empty lefty head, and his response:

Oh Matt

Back to the original topic.

Howie, either support your position or sit quietly while the men talk.

[AZhitman]

One of the reasons the dailykos is such a great website is they have many people that can write very well,Here is a brief portion for you

That's "good writing"?

Ummm, no. It's not. And it has nothing to do with the subject matter.

If that jibberish that you cut / pasted is any indication, they're mediocre at best.

Certainly not in danger of being recruited away by Rolling Stone or the WSJ.

You're just easily impressed by invective and rabble-rousing.

[audtatious]

we've all known for years now that the guy, while lovable, is a bit of a kook. let him spin his wheels, but dont assume he speaks for all of us.

I sure don't and I'm sure the majority of "Republicans" do not assume as such either. Just like I'm sure the majority of "Democrats" do not assume those labled as Republicans are all bible thumping "wingnuts".