Another BMW drivers suck thread

[Empty V]

This is insane.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9AiFG0Z ... r_embedded#![/youtube]

[RCA]

Ah sweet, Michael J. Fox is filming...

[Zydeco]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20SNMdo3B3o[/youtube]

this is top of my list of bad BMW drivers.

[krimsonviper]

Ah sweet, Michael J. Fox is filming...

The driver is a moron. He doesn't seem to have any past experience, can't deciphyr the limits of his car, and is doing this with 2 others in the car. I hope someone takes his keys away from him and makes him kick rocks somewhere else.

[Empty V]

I remember this one. That guy defines the word prick.

[jona300zx]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZrfTPmn_rc[/youtube]

[krimsonviper]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20SNMdo3B3o[/youtube]

this is top of my list of bad BMW drivers.

That guy is a total douche and makes me wish that MS3 was RWD and burned out in front of the owner, tossing rocks and rubber at him.

[alms24sebring]

1) Wow learn to drive, Why are there 3 peole in the car? Looks like someone playing Gran Turismo 4. SHIFT!!!

2)

That guy defines the word prick.

d!ck.

[King Ranzo]

I drive a BMW.

;_;

[AZ89two4Tsx]

Yeah, me too.

And honestly, I probably wouldn't be much better in that kind of car. It has gobs of power, it's an extremely complex track, and most likely he's new to both. I'd like to see how the guys that criticize him fair themselves. Of course an inexperienced driver isn't going to fair well in a 400+ HP car during his first lap around Nürburgring.

Cut the guy some slack. Jeez.

[Loki]

Wow...that line he was following....I don't even :O

[BusyBadger]

Yeah, this guy is just awful...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeUaOpqdiyA[/youtube]

[SR Superstar]

omg in the video of the a**hole ... someone REALLY should have like threw a water balloon at him or something like that.. it would've been HILARIOUS!

[IanS]

Wow, just wow.

I think I could have made better time around the Ring in a stock, automatic Nissan Sentra, driven while wearing beer goggles.

[dasoupdude]

lolz in the first vid @ 2:32 the same crap happens to me in gt5

[Pento240sx]

This is how you drive a BMW
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGleaXok7aQ[/youtube]

[f1seb]

I see nothing wrong with the 1st guy driving his M3 on the ring. Sure he's not experienced and it shows but he's driving fast on a closed course, not on a street. There was a post some years ago of a Nico member driving on the ring and he lost it and spun out but there was no criticism involved there. So all you people who are chastising that kid in his M3 have no business doing it, unless you can post a video of you driving a more powerful car on the ring better.

The other guy is just an ***hole, but that goes for everybody. I had a guy in a Rogue jump at me last week out of his car screaming and threatening to kill me.

[skydragoness]

This is how you drive a BMW
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGleaXok7aQ[/youtube]

Damn. 0:45 and I thought my ears would start bleeding.

[IanS]

I see nothing wrong with the 1st guy driving his M3 on the ring. Sure he's not experienced and it shows but he's driving fast on a closed course, not on a street. There was a post some years ago of a Nico member driving on the ring and he lost it and spun out but there was no criticism involved there. So all you people who are chastising that kid in his M3 have no business doing it, unless you can post a video of you driving a more powerful car on the ring better.
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The is a big difference between a single spin on a track as long as the Nordschleife, and the piss poor driving exhibited in the first video. I only watched up to the Adenaur Forst section, and I had already counted at least 2 full offs. That driver goes beyond stupidity. He had no driving line, piss poor throttle control, inconstant braking, not to mention 3 people in the car.

There is an even bigger difference, between being inexperienced, and failing to stay within your own limits. Im not criticizing him because he cant drive, Im doing it because he thinks he can.

[flohtingPoint]

There was a post some years ago of a Nico member driving on the ring and he lost it and spun out but there was no criticism involved there. So all you people who are chastising that kid in his M3 have no business doing it, unless you can post a video of you driving a more powerful car on the ring better.

Excellent point seb. That was me driving Nordschleife for the first time and I was horrible, which leads me to; every car make has owners that are terrible drivers. There is about a billion stupid drifting videos on here and they're massively pathetic. You can go to Club4ag and find a huge concentrate of down right awful driving. Step on over to NASIOC where you'll discover a bunch of morons pretending to be rally drivers in some back field.

Fact of the matter is, at least this BMW driver is getting out there and doing it in a controlled environment. They're not sitting in a parking lot bragging about their turbo they just installed, or rocking their hella flush crapbucket with stickers all over the windshield that has never seen a flying lap.

[mn011890]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20SNMdo3B3o[/youtube]

after the guy cussed him out AND called his car a s*** box....all he said was ok? not to mention the guy who posted the video wasnt anywhere near the other guys bumper. f that....i dont think i coulda just sat there and not at least shoot something back at him

[Bubba1]

[ Fact of the matter is, at least this BMW driver is getting out there and doing it in a controlled environment. They're not sitting in a parking lot bragging about their turbo they just installed, or rocking their hella flush crapbucket with stickers all over the windshield that has never seen a flying lap.

Really can't argue with that point.

I thought the stereotypical male BMW owner drove with a chip on his shoulder, as in obnoxious. They don't have to worry about getting wet with an open windows during a rain storm because the hot air inside keeps the rain out.

IMO, the second video (with the Mazda 3) is more representative of the BMW stereotype than the OP's 'Ring video.

[f1seb]

I see nothing wrong with the 1st guy driving his M3 on the ring. Sure he's not experienced and it shows but he's driving fast on a closed course, not on a street. There was a post some years ago of a Nico member driving on the ring and he lost it and spun out but there was no criticism involved there. So all you people who are chastising that kid in his M3 have no business doing it, unless you can post a video of you driving a more powerful car on the ring better.
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The is a big difference between a single spin on a track as long as the Nordschleife, and the piss poor driving exhibited in the first video. I only watched up to the Adenaur Forst section, and I had already counted at least 2 full offs. That driver goes beyond stupidity. He had no driving line, piss poor throttle control, inconstant braking, not to mention 3 people in the car.

There is an even bigger difference, between being inexperienced, and failing to stay within your own limits. Im not criticizing him because he cant drive, Im doing it because he thinks he can.

Since you didn't watch the rest of the posted video it unfortunately makes your entire post irrelevant. Read what flaotingpoint said in this post. Sabine is an experianced Ring driver who probably logged more miles on that track than anybody else. And she also crashed on that track a few times and written some cars off in the process. You want to criticize her cause she thinks she can drive as well?

[Speedy7_7]

You really don't get it do you?

When you watch an experienced driver do it, you can see that they are pushing the limits because they know what they are, sometimes they make a mistake. Sometimes they crash.

When you watch that ham fisted retard drive, you realize how bad someone can be at driving, and you realize that they have no idea what their limit is. The problem with the video, is that the driver is driving way out of his capabilities. Its not that he's bad, its that he doesn't know how bad he is, and that is a scary thing. If you think being that out of control is "Normal" for someone in a 400 hp car with 3 people in it, you have some serious learning to do. it doesn't matter how powerful a car is if you use your right foot correctly.

[Empty V]

All of you guys are missing MY point, the OP. It's not that this guy is a bad driver, it's that he's a dangerous driver with 2 other passengers and they're LAUGHING when he fuks up. That's what makes this guy a 100% complete and total douche, along with his moronic friends. So STFU and stop defending someone who finds dangerous driving comical.

[IanS]

Since you didn't watch the rest of the posted video it unfortunately makes your entire post irrelevant. Read what flaotingpoint said in this post. Sabine is an experianced Ring driver who probably logged more miles on that track than anybody else. And she also crashed on that track a few times and written some cars off in the process. You want to criticize her cause she thinks she can drive as well?

Why should I spend 8 minutes watching some kid with more money than sense threaten the lives of countless other people, when every indicator I need happens in the first 10 corners?

You really dont get it do you? The fact is, a kid like that should not be out on a track as dangerous as the ring solo, much less with passengers. He is trying to show off to his friends, and he is lucky he didnt die doing so.

Answer me this, if you drove like that at any track here is the states, or any track where marshals had good view of most if not all corners, what do you think would happen? I know for a fact, that if you pulled something like that at BIR, you would be booted so fast your tires would smoke. I bet the same stands true for any of the real race tracks here in the states. Even auto crosses wont allow that kind of stupid. If you go out and start plowing cones like that, you get to have a little sit down with some of the more experienced drivers, Ive seen it happen. Dont even get me started what would happen if you drove like that at a rally event.

Motorsports is dangerous enough without retards like this running around.

Dont any of you remember when that M5 tried to fly off that airstrip in Florida? The driver in that video, and the driver of the M5 were in the same boat, except one of them took 5 lives in a fraction of a second.

[rc1honda]

Yeah, this guy is just awful...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeUaOpqdiyA[/youtube]

This guy is a BEAST. I hope one day i can drive close to this. This guy is insanely good. Crazy it looks like he id doing all the shifting on a H-style box too.

All of you guys are missing MY point, the OP. It's not that this guy is a bad driver, it's that he's a dangerous driver with 2 other passengers and they're LAUGHING when he fuks up. That's what makes this guy a 100% complete and total douche, along with his moronic friends. So STFU and stop defending someone who finds dangerous driving comical.

This and other post like this are really confusing me. UH, he is at a TRACK. That's what we do at racetracks. We drive dangerously. The reason why we do this at tracks is to limit the danger to a realitivley controlled environment. With proper personnel and protocol are in place when said dangerous driving goes awry.

They know the risk , and so do his friends. It's his car if he wants to trash it then it's his choice. He is on closed track where people not only wreck all the time but it is expected that you will wreck some time. I go to racetracks and race bikes sometimes. I have wreked, my friends have all wrecked it what we do. It happens.

Our passion for cars and racing is inherently dangerous. Pro's die driving dangerously. It the risk we all take. Most of us who have half a brain do it on a track. The track is where we go to drive dangerously fast, and drive out of our limts to get better. To reach the next level of skill. No it's not funny to to put your friends at risk but if your going to do it the track is the correct place to do so. Why would you take your car to a track and drive like a old grannie?...

I think the guy in the MS3 video is way more of douce then the guy at the track. He and the prick who was driving the bimmer were flying down public roads and endangering other. The guy in the bimmer is tool when he got and yelled but they were both doing stupid s***. The guy at the track with his friends are just doing whats expected at a race track. I agree he can't drive, but the track is where you go to learn. I don't think he was showing off, i think he was just driving hard because he was at track and that's what your supposed to do at a race track.

[f1seb]

You really don't get it do you?

When you watch an experienced driver do it, you can see that they are pushing the limits because they know what they are, sometimes they make a mistake. Sometimes they crash.

When you watch that ham fisted retard drive, you realize how bad someone can be at driving, and you realize that they have no idea what their limit is. The problem with the video, is that the driver is driving way out of his capabilities. Its not that he's bad, its that he doesn't know how bad he is, and that is a scary thing. If you think being that out of control is "Normal" for someone in a 400 hp car with 3 people in it, you have some serious learning to do. it doesn't matter how powerful a car is if you use your right foot correctly.

Nope you don't get it. And there are some people here as well including that Apple lover too. It's obvious that you're not going to see it from my point of you and I sure as hell am not going to see it from yours....Seacrest Out!

[f1seb]

Yeah, this guy is just awful...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeUaOpqdiyA[/youtube]

This guy is a BEAST. I hope one day i can drive close to this. This guy is insanely good. Crazy it looks like he id doing all the shifting on a H-style box too.

All of you guys are missing MY point, the OP. It's not that this guy is a bad driver, it's that he's a dangerous driver with 2 other passengers and they're LAUGHING when he fuks up. That's what makes this guy a 100% complete and total douche, along with his moronic friends. So STFU and stop defending someone who finds dangerous driving comical.

This and other post like this are really confusing me. UH, he is at a TRACK. That's what we do at racetracks. We drive dangerously. The reason why we do this at tracks is to limit the danger to a realitivley controlled environment. With proper personnel and protocol are in place when said dangerous driving goes awry.

They know the risk , and so do his friends. It's his car if he wants to trash it then it's his choice. He is on closed track where people not only wreck all the time but it is expected that you will wreck some time. I go to racetracks and race bikes sometimes. I have wreked, my friends have all wrecked it what we do. It happens.

Our passion for cars and racing is inherently dangerous. Pro's die driving dangerously. It the risk we all take. Most of us who have half a brain do it on a track. The track is where we go to drive dangerously fast, and drive out of our limts to get better. To reach the next level of skill. No it's not funny to to put your friends at risk but if your going to do it the track is the correct place to do so. Why would you take your car to a track and drive like a old grannie?...

I think the guy in the MS3 video is way more of douce then the guy at the track. He and the prick who was driving the bimmer were flying down public roads and endangering other. The guy in the bimmer is tool when he got and yelled but they were both doing stupid s***. The guy at the track with his friends are just doing whats expected at a race track. I agree he can't drive, but the track is where you go to learn. I don't think he was showing off, i think he was just driving hard because he was at track and that's what your supposed to do at a race track.

This guy gets it by the way and I agree with him.

[IanS]

This and other post like this are really confusing me. UH, he is at a TRACK. That's what we do at racetracks. We drive dangerously. The reason why we do this at tracks is to limit the danger to a realitivley controlled environment. With proper personnel and protocol are in place when said dangerous driving goes awry.

They know the risk , and so do his friends. It's his car if he wants to trash it then it's his choice. He is on closed track where people not only wreck all the time but it is expected that you will wreck some time. I go to racetracks and race bikes sometimes. I have wreked, my friends have all wrecked it what we do. It happens.

Our passion for cars and racing is inherently dangerous. Pro's die driving dangerously. It the risk we all take. Most of us who have half a brain do it on a track. The track is where we go to drive dangerously fast, and drive out of our limts to get better. To reach the next level of skill. No it's not funny to to put your friends at risk but if your going to do it the track is the correct place to do so. Why would you take your car to a track and drive like a old grannie?...

I think the guy in the MS3 video is way more of douce then the guy at the track. He and the prick who was driving the bimmer were flying down public roads and endangering other. The guy in the bimmer is tool when he got and yelled but they were both doing stupid s***. The guy at the track with his friends are just doing whats expected at a race track. I agree he can't drive, but the track is where you go to learn. I don't think he was showing off, i think he was just driving hard because he was at track and that's what your supposed to do at a race track.

Since you have spent so much time at tracks, then you should know. Pushing your limits, not blindly jumping past them, is how you learn to drive fast. Being fast is not the most important part of racing. You cant win if you never finish, and by the way he was driving, he is never going to finish. Racing is about being smooth and controlled, he is neither. Im sorry, but if you think he will learn it by just blindly stomping around the track showing off, then you have a lot to learn yourselves. Maybe its the rally driver in me, but I learned a long time ago that ability to put down a blazing fast time once pails in comparison to the ability to consistently put down smooth fast stages. The first thing any driver should learn is basic car control. He doesn't have it. Second you learn the limits of the metal coffin which you are attempting to pilot. He doesn't know them. Third, you should master the course, both in line, and surface. Once you have reached the limits of the machine, then you can begin to hone your skills. He skipped all four, and went straight for trying to be the next Michael Schumacher.

The best drivers learn to drive fast in slow cars, not the other way around.

Im all for people learning competitive driving at a track, but there are ways to do it. There are instructors, seasoned drivers, and local hot shoes who know what they are doing. They are at every event, you have all seen them, and if you are too cocky or stuck up to listen to their advice, then shame on you. If that kid truly wanted to drive fast, then he would have asked someone more experienced to ride along. The truth is, all he wanted to do was show off to his friends and the camera.

Ask any pro, and they will tell you that practice days, and HPDEs are to be driven at 8/10 of your skill. Only while truly racing, whether for time, or position should you ever exceed that. Even during the most competitive races, real drivers will tell you that they were often not driving to their absolute full potential, because they know, like I know, that danger looms at every braking area, every corner, and every jump. They leave themselves a safety margin, so that in the event that some small change in grip, or rut in the gravel upsets the car, then they can retain control. We are not invincible, and I think that some of you would do well to remember that.

I have marshalled at many national rally events. Even on roads they have never laid eyes on before, roads with ever changing traction coefficients, ruts, and wash outs, they still manage to complete stages without leaving the road. Yes there are accidents, but most drivers can race more than 100 stage miles without as many off road excursions as I saw in the first 2 minutes of that video. The teams that win, whether it be in rally, endurance, spec, or autocross, are the ones that spent the least time fixing things they broke during offs.

Driving like that does not belong anywhere, not on the street, not on a rally stage, and not on a racetrack. For those of you who believe what he is doing is ok, then I hope I never have to share a racetrack with you.

The fact that some of you don't seem to understand this, is proof that you have spent little or no time at sanctioned racing events. They go over these same principles, at every novice course, and every drivers meeting. You wont see any seat time without hearing them at least once. Those of us who frequent the race track, or other sanctioned events have had this beaten into our brains countless times.