AMS/Turbo240 Intake manifold DISCONTINUED

[Chris@AMS]

Before anyone reads any further. This was discontinued due to lack of interested buyers. So do not bump this thread for updates, because there aren't any.

Check out this hotness! 8) Sorry about the picture color, I was using a fancy camera that we have here, and apparently I really don't know how to use it.



You may notice that the runners pictured are striaght. You may know that if the runners are that long at an angle it will be sticking out over the hood. We plan on making a hood relocation kit in order for it to accomodate this. :roll:

Seriously though, we are only using the straight runners for testing. The final production piece will have the runners curved to fit nice and snug in the engine bay.

[hek1620]

are u guys working on one for the single slammer?

[lrb_2000]

ahh man, you guys just have to make thing crazy and expensive don't you!? haha.. looks like it's going to be sweet.

[KATwo40]

Hmmm, interesting stuff. Keep us posted.

BTW, does this mean that the turbo exhaust mani is complete?

[Poor_S13_Driver]

what KATwo40 said and +1 for the single slammer...probably not though

[Chris@AMS]

We are nearing completion on the exhaust manifold stuff. They are in different stages of production so different people are working on their parts of the respective manifolds.

No plans for a single slammer as of yet.

Hopefully its not going to be THAT expensive. It will be interesting how cheap we can let it go. We are using every resource we have to make things as quickly and cheaply as possilble (while still retaining very high standard of quality).

[deviousKA]

Nice looking parts.

I see that you are prioritizing runner angle, very smart. This was a large flaw in the intake manifold I seen on Ivans engine, but it looks like someone put some more thought into these parts.

You should implement injector bosses into the plenum to shoot into the center of the runner entry. Or a second set of bosses somewhere anyways. They could be left unmachined for users with only a single set.

Do that and the properly curved runners and you will have a potent part for the turbo ka24de. Staged injection is where its at.

[KATwo40]

Nice looking parts.

I see that you are prioritizing runner angle, very smart. This was a large flaw in the intake manifold I seen on Ivans engine, but it looks like someone put some more thought into these parts.

You should implement injector bosses into the plenum to shoot into the center of the runner entry. Or a second set of bosses somewhere anyways. They could be left unmachined for users with only a single set.

Do that and the properly curved runners and you will have a potent part for the turbo ka24de. Staged injection is where its at.

I like staged injection!!

[Poor_S13_Driver]

Man that exhaust mani looks like snakes coiled around each other making love..only 240 love

[daconkiftador]

Man that exhaust mani looks like snakes coiled around each other making love..only 240 love

yeah, i cant wait

[AZhitman]

Mmmmm.... Sweet stuff Chris - I can't WAIT to see one up close and personal...

[nismo dreaming]

Nice!! Gotta add that to the christmas list! You guys do such amaizing work. Please keep us updated, id much rather buy from AMS than others.

[Chris@AMS]

Nice looking parts.

I see that you are prioritizing runner angle, very smart. This was a large flaw in the intake manifold I seen on Ivans engine, but it looks like someone put some more thought into these parts.

You should implement injector bosses into the plenum to shoot into the center of the runner entry. Or a second set of bosses somewhere anyways. They could be left unmachined for users with only a single set.

Do that and the properly curved runners and you will have a potent part for the turbo ka24de. Staged injection is where its at.

Staged injection is awesome. It is a great alternative to running one set of large injectors that is very hard to control for drivability. We currently have something like this that we make for the EVO. We do not advertise it, but when neccessary, we build and install them here at the shop. I will eventually be running a staged injection setup on my car (not for a while) and I will be looking to get this done. I'm not sure that there will be much demand for this option though, and its going to make it more expensive for everybody.

I'll pass along your compliments to the people here that designed it, they always love to hear this stuff .

[KATwo40]

Honestly, how much more can it cost to add a second set of injector bungs in the runners?

1. Drill holes.2. Weld bungs in place.3. Clean up welds.

Regardless, it's lookin' like some very sweet parts in that manifold. Keep up the fantastic work, guys!
Modified by KATwo40 at 3:32 PM 11/16/2006

[tad_07]

makes me feel all warm inside. I can stop hacking the stock mani's when ya'll get product ready.

[Chris@AMS]

small update before I go home tonight.

[daconkiftador]

Looking good!

[KATwo40]

Definitely gonna need that giant holesaw for the hood.

Looks good, guys.

[WDRacing]

Pure Pornography...nuff said.

[NateDogg]

Wow...looks nice.

Is it not possible to have flush mounted runners with radiused entry?

[Chris@AMS]

Update!

The manifold will be for use with top feed injector setups only!There will be no support for throttle body coolant hoses. The radiator outlet pipe will have the fittings for the stock sensors and an additional fitting for a water temp sensor, which will also double as the bleed screw from the factory piece.We are planning on adding support for a second set of injectors on the bottom side of the manifold possibly.



Ivans dog, Ikea, fully approves this message



My car actually started and ran today, I'm gonna tie up some loose ends and maybe drive it home tonight. Look at that manifold, its got a nice golden color on it.

[duece.four.oh.sx]

how much ......... excellent job by the way......

[WDRacing]

I'm guessing $850 atleast...

[KATwo40]

I'm guessing $850 atleast...

Booo!

[Philsnotfalling]

phenominal... I've been looking forward to an a/m intake manifold for the ka. Seriously how much will it be?

[Chris@AMS]

Everyone stop asking already!

We need to finish it first before we can tell you how much it is.

To give you an idea, the one we sell for the EVO is $950.

This manifold is more complex than that one...

[WDRacing]

I knew it would be expensive, but manifolds that work usually are. Look at the Veilside for the RB or JZ. Both generate 100whp on the dyno, but both cost over $1000. But thats 100whp you'll have forever!!!!!!!

I can tell a quality product when I look at one, this is a nice manifold.

Although, for the record the bottom mount subinjector idea is retarded. The runners appear long enough for another set of injector bosses right on top. But I don't "REALLY" see a need for 8 injectors. Need more fuel, run a standalone alcohol injection system...problem solved.

I look forward to the dyno numbers for this intake.

Another note, anyone who whines about the price will have his post deleted. Want cheap...go to EBAY and buy somthing from China!!!

WD

[Craving4Boost]

First time we saw the dog, it was jumping off the wall. Now we see it standing next to the intake mani....im disappointing Ivan. Thought you would've had some juggling or something ready for us!

[9sec240]

I appreciate your comments WD.

I hope that people realize that first and foremost, we are trying to offer quality products that are second to none in the industry. Pricing on these products ends up being based on what it takes to bring these products to market.

That being said, this is from a post of mine on FA.

The KA intake manifold is MUCH more complicated than the Evo or DSM intake.

The DSM intake Is basically a plenum and four runners. The Evo intake is slightly more complicated with injector bosses and fuel rail mounts. The Evo intake also requires a new dipstick tube and throttle body coolant hoses that are supplied with our kit. The good thing about the Evo intake is that we sell a LOT of these which lowers our cost due to the discount we recieve when getting large batches of parts machined.

The KA intake adds the complications of having curved runners to get it to fit inside the engine compartment. Having tapered runner halves formed and then welding them together is semi complicated when they are straight, but how do you form runners that taper AND curve? Its not going to be simple or inexpensive.

We also have to deal with the coolant tube on the front which needs provisions for the two factory coolant sensors. It also needs the tube to provide coolant to the back of the thermostat housing. I believe in a proctuction manifold with curved runners, that the plenum will end up in the way of factory upper radiator hose so a custom hose will be required. A heater core hose change will also be required.

In addition to the coolant issues, the idle air controls mount to the intake on the KA manifold unlike the DSM and Evo which have the IAC mounted to the throttle body. These will require custom flanges for mounting them and will also require custom hoses to run to the IAC controls as they will not be in factory locations.

I hope that everybody can respect the time and effort that is being put into these intake manifolds especially considering these are just for testing purposes only and can not be sold or run on a car with a hood Smile. It truely is super complicated as anybody that has contemplated making one ends up realizing. If it was super simple, there would be tons of KA intake manifolds on the market.

We are doing our best to design and fabricate a performance oriented intake manifold for the KA. When it comes to performance, lots of dyno testing will tell us if there will be enough gains to justify actually producing this intake manifold. Hopefully we find that it straightens out the VE of the motor and coupled with some custom cams, extends the VE of the motor well past 7500 rpms. We have engineered this with every bit of the knowledge we have gained from the DSM and Evo VSR intake we currently produce.

So bottom line (if its produced).... Will it be super cheap? Nope.... But I can promise you that we are doing our absolute best to bring this intake to the market for a fair price.

[NateDogg]

Ivan for President!!!

I can attest to the intricacies involved with the KA IM. Not to mention the R&D to make something that is proven to WORK! Unlike other companies...

I'm betting a six pack this intake will make 50whp on the stock one, even more with V2/V3 cams.