ALUMINUM Spoiler Poll.

[Veriest1]

I'd like to point out that wings come into play much sooner than 150 mph. There is a reason the retractable spoilers on posches come up around 65 mph. There is a reason the Evolutions come with those park benches. The latter is because they sit up rather high from the factory and become squirrly at freeway speeds without them. Many people with the RS models have complained about this.

It is possible to notice an increase in handling ability at typical road coarse speeds with these things... but most people probably won't.

[Dattebayo]

Not to be a dik, but has anyone noticed the 240 becoming sqirrely at freeway speeds?

My S13 handles just fine up untill I get to above 100 mph. These cars really dont need wings like some others do.

[MAXIMUS Nismo]

Thats suprising and I am disappointed in you. Jordan said you were cool but now I am not so sure. I mean peer pressure is no reason to make a decision, but you do realize all other people will think it looks crazy, right?

Well I appreciate Jordan's comment he is a cool guy as well, but I do not apologise that my own ideas don't match with the status quo. The fact that you are disappointed in me does nothing to falter my beliefs.

Have you consdered that out of the 37 people who voted no, some of them may have been influenced by peer presure? A couple years ago, on these very forums, the N1 duals were desired above all else. Now BRM is the defacto goodness (I rock it). Opinions change bro, and my opinion matters the most to me. You do realaise that I do what I like because I like it, right?

I respectfully reserve the right to go against the grain anytime I feel like, if it's ok with you...........................but then again I don't need your approval or you blessing.

[Veriest1]

Mine was (when it was drivable) but that was becasue of the worn out suspension.

At any rate just because it isn't atrocious at freeway speeds doesn't mean the wing won't help. I'm sure the Porsches with retractable spoilers are just fine when the motors mess up and they don't have their wing up. But the spoiler still helps.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are much better options than the generic aluminum spoiler out there should a person want a spoiler. I'm fairly certain the APC grade versions don't do much of anything other than add wieght. But wieght does equal traction up to a certain point....

[97ka-t]

I would be suprised to see a stock S13 go well beyond 100. The spoiler is not effective in this case..

[Dattebayo]

Well at least we agree to disagree.I feel it is a crime to put one on a daily driver just for show. Lets say this car has a powerful turbo KA-T above 400 HP. Sure put on a actual functional wing for downforce.

But you are still the only person i have seen on here who does like them and is respected. Its sorta odd, and I apprciate your singular opinion as your own.

It still doesnt serve any good purpose on this stock car and it appears to be of 2nd rate construction due to the small connecting poles on the hood.

[nismofly]

i like wings, when they are functional

i dont like *that* wing, for said reason, i can guarantee it wouldnt be functional

you want functional, go buy a $1900 c-west carbon fiber wing

remember the front splitter youll have to custom fit while youre at it

[Mr1der]

I'd attach it to heavy duty magnets and stick it on the trunk to lure in the ricers, kinda like the angler fish of the import world.

pull that sucker off, throw it in the truck and go to work then.

[97ka-t]

I bet if you put a "For Sale by Owner" sign on the spoiler and drove around with it, you'd get a trail of rice following you around- kind of like the pied piper.

[Veriest1]

I would be suprised to see a stock S13 go well beyond 100. The spoiler is not effective in this case..

Spoilers are going to become truly effective at speeds around 75 or so. The 100 mph barrier need not be broken. See the referance to Evo's and Posches.

You are, however, correct in saying this spoiler is not effective. The spoiler in question will never be very effective outside of putting extra wieght over the drive wheels.

[nismofly]

ive actually recently been looking at this one from arc:



its more subtle than a touring car style wing but still looks like it would work pretty well at high speeds

[97ka-t]

It looks better, but still, why not keep your stock spoiler?

[nismofly]

me no likey stock spoiler

plus ill actually be needing a wing, this is going to be my track slut eventually after i can get another car for a daily, probably a couple years or so were talking here

im taking the stocker off and running wingless until i really start needing a wing for the track

[ralphsdiorama]

wow that wing is amazing! Greg you should start manufacturing some brm aluminum spoilers.....they would be so hot! J/K burn em burn em all

[NismoGriff]

Well, I will admit, I have an APR aluminum spoiler on my car, it has been on there for probably close to 5 years. To be honest, I don't care for it anymore and would like to go to a type-x style or even no spoiler. The reason the spoiler is still on there......well, I am more concerned about putting my money towards my SR swap and not toward cosmetic stuff right now and I would rather leave it on than drive around with holes in my hatch. Your ride is just that, your ride, it is there for your enjoyment and you should make of it what you want. If your building a car for other people or based on the opinions of other people, your doing it for the wrong reasons. The times change, styles change, peoples tastes change. I personally can't wait till the dayum pants buckled around the arse phase dies out, you people look fawken retarded Anyway.

peaceGriff

[97ka-t]

Fads such as fart cans, massive spoilers, excessive amounts of stickers, fake turbo sounds, and lots of bass will eventually die out.. Hopefully we can get to being obessed with sleepers instead of ricers and SQ instead of SPL.

[Dattebayo]

Developing a functional wing for downforce costs too nuch money in the development phase for greg to fund it.

You would need regular use of a wind tunnel, alot of testing sand and penty of tinkering time and many prototype molds to make one. Why do you think the good ones cost so much? Its just not pheasable. ANd you can see from that why I make fun of rice wings.

[dfw240_EE]

I would think a wing starts to have effect around 60 or so mph. At those speeds air really starts to put out some force.

[PantherRacer]

wings do come into play @ ~60mph. the ride height of the car, the suspension and any (functional) aero kits also help.If you have your car slammed with an aero kit that keeps your car glued to the ground you won't need a wing at the lower speeds where a wing would help, Also, you could get away with not having a wing by extending the trunk (however you would like to do that)

I love the look of spoilers on about any car, hatches don't look good with big wings....I saw a yellow civic hatch with a 3-4 foot wide wing about a foot higher than the rear....I almost croaked....it was on our drag strip though, so I guess they needed it (it's turbo and it was hauling major ***)

All in all I think the style of the wing looks good, but I don't like aluminum wings man...evo/sti style wings, big thumbs up (on the right car, e.g 4-door cars), CF wings? thumbs upAluminum? meh

[Dattebayo]

I saw a yellow civic hatch with a 3-4 foot wide wing about a foot higher than the rear....I almost croaked....it was on our drag strip though, so I guess they needed it

So tell me how a front wheel drive car NEEDS a spoiler in the rear? To lose traction with it? A few brain cells bust be missing in those guys' heads.

[97ka-t]

Heh.

[Veriest1]

FWD cars use wings to help keep the rear tires on the ground while turning. Sort of like a RWD car having a lip spoiler. It enables another way to tune for nuetral handling.

Edit: They don't need as much downforce though since the drive wheels won't recieve traction from one. Which is an advantage on higher speed tracks. Obviously the wing will give more traction in the back without adding any wieght. The key is not adding more wieght since FWD cars like most of it over the front tires.
Modified by Veriest1 at 12:09 AM 7/16/2005

[Dattebayo]

And of course there are alot of turns going on in drag racing. I am totally convinced they need that huge wing now, thanks for clearing that up.

[Veriest1]

Oops, didn't see the drag racing part. Well, that's why they need them in road racing anyway.

[Dattebayo]

And i'll run you through the ringer again when you mess up next time, yeah.

lol j/k I see interesting wing setups all over in Rockville. I try to ask the people why they put them on and in most cases they think the wing is helping them gain traction. I dontr explain, I dont help them see it. But I do have myself a good hearty laugh at their expense as I drive away.

One of these days I'm gonna get shot for this stuff.

[Veriest1]

Lol, I've seen your posts before and I sound pissed half the time too. I have a bad habit of just stating fact after fact with no real... whatever in between. No hard feelings.

I just get ticked off by people who complain about spoilers on FWD cars in every[/] situation. Wheelie bars too because if what I remember is correct those aren't actually wheelie bars but rather extended traction rod type devices to push the wieght forward or something. I dunno. Over half the time drag racing just baffles me so I tend not to think about it. The rest of the time it amazes me though. I mean come on 1/4 miles in under 4 seconds!?

[InsanityInc]

Well, first off, 99.99% of "aero kits" are 100% for looks and have no aerodynamic benefit at all. Pretty much all you're adding is drag. Second, some cars do get squirrley due to slight lift, and a slight downforce (which is all you're going to get at 60-80MPH) counteracts the slight lift. Rear functional (key word) spoilers always generate downforce while you're in motion, it's just not enough to have any measurable effect on handling unless you're going well over 100MPH. All aerodynamic properties scale exponentially with speed.

[PantherRacer]

fwd cars lose traction at over 60mph too. with the force of the wind pushing down on the car, the load on the rear wheels lighten and it gets REALLY squirrely back there.especially in a str8 line, trying to go str8 and the rear end starts bouncing and hopping around? that's how people end up upside down. and they're drag racing, which equates to higher speeds and greater forces on the car.

saying fwd doesn't need a wing is discrimination lol. now the SIZE of the wing. THAT is where it all changes.

[Veriest1]

The design of the wing will have a big impact on just how much downforce is added at low speeds. For example, those goofy looking little "outlaws" with their huge asymetrical wings. Those wings would be terrible at speeds well in excess of 100 because of the amount of drag they create but they work well at lower speeds. Although I'm not sure how fast those things actually go common sense says it can't be to fast. The opposite is true for Nascar. Their wings are tiny and are designed to create very little drag at 140+.

[Dattebayo]

Dragging a FWD car just sounds pointless to me, wether its with a ming on the back or not. Tourque steer? Death? How about something to add traction up front? you will need it if you plan to get anywhere with a FWD car on a drag strip.