Almost Versa v. my Versa SL accident

[lain]

To hit the nail more in the center, and this is going off of something my dad told me a probably a year ago, is that teenagers(which I'm legally an adult now) take more risks. Why? Because we can. Unlike people in their 30's who have a job is probably going to be their job for the remainder of their working career, most likly have a family to feed and take care of, a morgage, and other bills, they can't take those same risks that us "teenagers" take. As I get older and have to take more responsibilities, I will have to take less risks because i know if something were to happen to me, it will directly effect another person that I am suppose to be taking care of or responsible for. And anyone who continues to take risks under those circumstances are just being selfish.

[matt_a]

teenagers(which I'm legally an adult now) take more risks. Why? Because we can. Unlike people in their 30's who have a job is probably going to be their job for the remainder of their working career, most likly have a family to feed and take care of, a morgage, and other bills, they can't take those same risks that us "teenagers" take. As I get older and have to take more responsibilities, I will have to take less risks because i know if something were to happen to me, it will directly effect another person that I am suppose to be taking care of or responsible for. And anyone who continues to take risks under those circumstances are just being selfish.

I hate to point this out, but that statement shows your age. Taking risks behind the wheel of a car is stupid....Period. I don't care if you have responsibilities or not. You're likely to get killed or kill someone else.

[1unar3clipse]

This afternoon, I'm turning right from 9th onto Mountain in Upland. Light turns green, lady in a grey Versa (and missing the front right hubcap, I might add) making a left screams off the line and into the right lane, cutting me off and cutting off the guy going straight. You guessed it. She was yakking away on a cell phone. and there is no left arrow at that intersection, but she was distracted enough by the phone conversation to think there was.

When will people get it through their thick heads that they shouldn't hold a phone to their ear and try to drive at the same time?

I sometimes dream of smashing my 240sx into someone running on red talking on the phone... it just... happens so often here in so-cal...I used to throw oranges at people who drove talking on the phone but after 5 years I've only grown sick and tired so I gave up.

So how cheap is one of these cars used eh?I'm in need of something comfy, cheap, economic, and non toyota as a daily while my 240 goes into surgery. So you Versa peeps... Tell me good things about these cars yeah?

[Ever Victorious]

I hate to point this out, but that statement shows your age. Taking risks behind the wheel of a car is stupid....Period. I don't care if you have responsibilities or not. You're likely to get killed or kill someone else.

It's also completely untrue that someone who is an "adult" driver "cannot" take risks. I know plenty of adults who have no family, no mortgage, nothing to tie them down... but they are responsible nonetheless.

I love taking risks in my car. I love racing.

BUT I ONLY DO IT ON THE TRACK WHERE IT IS LEGAL AND SAFE!

Teenagers who take unnecessary risks (and that's not all teenagers, BTW) on the road are the ones who should be hunted down and their licenses revoked. It's not just YOUR dumb *** on the line when you do something like that, lain, it's the lives of EVERYONE on the highway. Teenagers think so small-scale that they never... EVER.. consider this.

I've been watching your (often mind-boggling) posts and biting my tongue, week after week. But at some point, even *I* have to say... you are the king of bad ideas, Lain.

So how cheap is one of these cars used eh?I'm in need of something comfy, cheap, economic, and non toyota as a daily while my 240 goes into surgery. So you Versa peeps... Tell me good things about these cars yeah?

They rock! Cheap, however, is all relative. You can find used S's for the $10k-$12k range, with just a few miles to 20,000 or so miles on them.

But with current incentives ($1250 rebate on '07's), I'd suggest seeing if you can find a brand new S manual and go for it.. You'd be looking at around $12,000 after destination and rebate, but before T&L.

And we've been over the pros and cons of the cars many times before, but in a nutshell, what we've agreed on is this..

Pros: Good gas mileage, excellent comfort and leg room, good equipment for the money, good fit and finish for the price range, good handling for its class

Cons: Interior on the S is nowhere near as nice as the SL, trying to find an exact specific options package can be hard, CVTs fall short of expectations as far as fuel economy

individual other pros and cons are debated by both sides of the argument, so you may find yourself liking some aspects of the car and not others, but what's above is what everyone can agree on.

[lain]

I made another post but decided that this is a war not worth fighting. I come from a different plane of thought then you EV and we will never be able to convince one another nor will we getting anywhere but throw out each others personal beliefs. You believe in following the law and eliminated everything that puts someone in danger and I respect that its a good way of thinking and people are kept controled but safe. I believe in a more of a freedom base, where I have the ability to do what ever I want and if it result in someone else getting hurt then I should be punished. But if no one gets hurt then I did nothing wrong, infact I would think it went pretty well. You disagree with breaking the law, I disagree with being controled. Going to smoke a cig now because that is something I am fighting but it controls me...and i hate it.

[KoukiS14]

Well I don't feel that driving and talking on the cell destracts me from driving. Most of the time I pay attention to the road then the converstion and find myself saying, "huh?" and "what?" half the time because I put more of my focus on the road then the cell.

I'm the person you see with the cig in my left hand, soda in the other, cell on my shoulder, shifting with my pinky, and steering with my knees.

*EDIT* JK about the soda usually I put that down after I take a sip.

Personally, I have a prehensile pen15 and I just steer with that -- it's easier.

[AZhitman]

Lots of jibber-jabber in this thread, but I'll bet NONE of the posters have spent any time in a high-end driver training, in HPDE, on a track, or in advanced vehicle control courses...

Speculation is great until the caca hits the fan.

An airbag to the grille is the only thing that'll convince most people that they're not as good as they think they are.

[matt_a]

Lots of jibber-jabber in this thread, but I'll bet NONE of the posters have spent any time in a high-end driver training, in HPDE, on a track, or in advanced vehicle control courses...

And you would be wrong. I was a full-time EMT for about 6 years. As such, I have taken EVOC (Emergency Vehicle Operators Course) a few times and I was involved in instructing it twice.

[Rockhound]

You believe in following the law and eliminated everything that puts someone in danger and I respect that its a good way of thinking and people are kept controled but safe. I believe in a more of a freedom base, where I have the ability to do what ever I want and if it result in someone else getting hurt then I should be punished. But if no one gets hurt then I did nothing wrong, infact I would think it went pretty well. You disagree with breaking the law, I disagree with being controled. Going to smoke a cig now because that is something I am fighting but it controls me...and i hate it.

So you're asking for a free-base society?

What's in that "cig" you're going to smoke, anyway? Weren't you the one saying that you drive slowly most of the time because of "medical" reasons?

You can sit around and concoct your ideas about your own Utopian society - but the harsh reality is that a) it doesn't exist and b) it won't ever exist. Your idea of a place in which you can do whatever you want as long as you don't harm anyone is immature and seems mainly to be drug-fueled.

Your contempt for being "controlled" is a pretty typical adolescent attitude...as is your lack of consideration of others, as EV pointed out.

[lain]

Lots of jibber-jabber in this thread, but I'll bet NONE of the posters have spent any time in a high-end driver training, in HPDE, on a track, or in advanced vehicle control courses...

Speculation is great until the caca hits the fan.

An airbag to the grille is the only thing that'll convince most people that they're not as good as they think they are.

I would love to take courses like that and some kind of high-end driver training. I'm always open to learning and it is always cool to have a piece of paper proving I can do it. I'm actually going to look into it now, I have so much fun driving that I use to go out everyday by myself to drive a few miles just to drive...

So you're asking for a free-base society?

What's in that "cig" you're going to smoke, anyway? Weren't you the one saying that you drive slowly most of the time because of "medical" reasons?

You can sit around and concoct your ideas about your own Utopian society - but the harsh reality is that a) it doesn't exist and b) it won't ever exist. Your idea of a place in which you can do whatever you want as long as you don't harm anyone is immature and seems mainly to be drug-fueled.

Your contempt for being "controlled" is a pretty typical adolescent attitude...as is your lack of consideration of others, as EV pointed out.

I do what I do and think the way I think because I don't want to be like every another drone on this land. And adolescents are the ones that go threw this because they can finally think for themselfs, but as they get older fighting this up hill battle they give up.

I just might be one to reach the top of the mountain...and I pray everyday that I don't give up.

[Rockhound]

I do what I do and think the way I think because I don't want to be like every another drone on this land. And adolescents are the ones that go threw this because they can finally think for themselfs, but as they get older fighting this up hill battle they give up.

I just might be one to reach the top of the mountain...and I pray everyday that I don't give up.

Drugs are bad, m'kay?

The funny thing about folks who strive to be "different" and who label themselves as "non-conformist", is that they all end up being the same. They then create their own group of conforming non-conformists. It's sad, really, how disillusioned they are.

You're right, adolescents go "threw" (through) this because they gain freedom as they get older and because most of them are also terribly immature and think only of themselves.

Then they grow up, realize how foolish they were as kids, and get on the path to success and make something of themselves - realizing that, hey, it's not so bad to work 8 to 5 and live a "normal" life. Or they never grow up and fester in their own hazy idea of not conforming while everything around them goes to pot - literally.

I think the only drone here is the one who's dependent upon mind-altering substances to make "profound" prophecies about a "promised land" without rules and regulations.

[marleyfan]

Lain, you seem to forget that all of us "old folk" were once impetuous adolescents ourselves. We all had our ideas of what society should be. We all felt that freedom was our right. You are wrong in saying that we reached a point and gave up on our dreams of changing society. What actually happened is that we woke up one day and realized how stupid we had been. Your "I can do what I want as long as nobody gets hurt" society is ridiculous. It is reactive rather than proactive. By your thinking we should be able to empty a clip into a crowd and if we are lucky enough not to hit anyone then we have done nothing wrong. Laws are in place to protect society, not to protect your right to do whatever you want. The mere fact that you put others lives at risk is enough to prohibit that activity. Why should we wait until you actually hurt someone before prohibiting the activity? One day you too will wake up and realize how silly your ideas are. Until then...drive safe and keep on posting.

[lain]

I do work 8-5 monday-friday. I work for a company that makes medical instruments for hospitals. I run the database here working with programs such as Oracle and Business objects. I am also working on making my own company...such as everyone knows "Geek Squad".

God didn't put these plants on this earth just because they look nice...they are here for us to use and explore parts of our mind we have many people no contact with. It is possible to get in contact with those parts of the mind with other substances but I have not been able to achieve that yet. Its a hard long journey that people struggle for a long time to get to.

Try it one day and you will understand. Most people do it just to do it...that is wrong. I do it to explore new depths and understands of what this Earth is trying to tell me but people are so clouded with nonsense they don't hear it.

Lain, you seem to forget that all of us "old folk" were once impetuous adolescents ourselves. We all had our ideas of what society should be. We all felt that freedom was our right. You are wrong in saying that we reached a point and gave up on our dreams of changing society. What actually happened is that we woke up one day and realized how stupid we had been. Your "I can do what I want as long as nobody gets hurt" society is ridiculous. It is reactive rather than proactive. By your thinking we should be able to empty a clip into a crowd and if we are lucky enough not to hit anyone then we have done nothing wrong. Laws are in place to protect society, not to protect your right to do whatever you want. The mere fact that you put others lives at risk is enough to prohibit that activity. Why should we wait until you actually hurt someone before prohibiting the activity? One day you too will wake up and realize how silly your ideas are. Until then...drive safe and keep on posting.

That is where you are wrong...people are empty a clip into a crowd do it to hurt someone...it is that intention. People don't go racing with the intention to hurt anyone.

[marleyfan]

I do work 8-5 monday-friday. I work for a company that makes medical instruments for hospitals. I run the database here working with programs such as Oracle and Business objects. I am also working on making my own company...such as everyone knows "Geek Squad".

God didn't put these plants on this earth just because they look nice...they are here for us to use and explore parts of our mind we have many people no contact with. It is possible to get in contact with those parts of the mind with other substances but I have not been able to achieve that yet. Its a hard long journey that people struggle for a long time to get to.

Try it one day and you will understand. Most people do it just to do it...that is wrong. I do it to explore new depths and understands of what this Earth is trying to tell me but people are so clouded with nonsense they don't hear it.

I'm sure this post made sense as you wrote it but......WTF??

[KoukiS14]

Just because God put something on earth doesn't mean it should go in your mouth.He put feces on Earth, should I pop that in my mouth?

[Demonspawn]

i didnt have an airbag when i was 19 and ate a steering wheel and windshield that makes you think real quick. and totaled my friends 66 olds cutlass that he got from an old lady and it only had 20,000 miles and garage kept.

[1unar3clipse]

Drugs are bad, m'kay?

So are vaccines? But at least Drugs funded the creation of our great country.

The funny thing about folks who strive to be "different" and who label themselves as "non-conformist", is that they all end up being the same. They then create their own group of conforming non-conformists. It's sad, really, how disillusioned they are.

That is the reality of life.Your this or that, no one is anything new the end.

I think the only drone here is the one who's dependent upon mind-altering substances to make "profound" prophecies about a "promised land" without rules and regulations.

So your saying your not depending on any substances whatsoever? Also I've smoked my amount of pot, I've never once considered it mind altering like that of LSD, Mushrooms, E in fact the only thing I ever did while high was get couch-lock.

[1unar3clipse]

I do work 8-5 monday-friday. I work for a company that makes medical instruments for hospitals. I run the database here working with programs such as Oracle and Business objects. I am also working on making my own company...such as everyone knows "Geek Squad".

Good luck trying to make a company in the same niche as countless other small companies in Cali.

God didn't put these plants on this earth just because they look nice...they are here for us to use and explore parts of our mind we have many people no contact with. It is possible to get in contact with those parts of the mind with other substances but I have not been able to achieve that yet. Its a hard long journey that people struggle for a long time to get to.

keep trying... as we all know pot opens your mind..ugh.pot will make you hungry.. not a prophet.I can't believe I slightly defended you, cubensis is what this entire sentence is about and you confuse it with pot.

Try it one day and you will understand. Most people do it just to do it...that is wrong. I do it to explore new depths and understands of what this Earth is trying to tell me but people are so clouded with nonsense they don't hear it.

... yeah communicate with teh earth.. ugh.

That is where you are wrong...people are empty a clip into a crowd do it to hurt someone...it is that intention. People don't go racing with the intention to hurt anyone.

But racing on the STREETS has outcomes slightly different from that of a CONTROLLED situation. like er... whats it called? oh yeah a track. Racing on the streets is like riding around in a giant gun and if you happen to lose control of this gun you could kill alot of people.
Modified by 1unar3clipse at 1:17 PM 10/26/2007

[Rockhound]

That is where you are wrong...people are empty a clip into a crowd do it to hurt someone...it is that intention. People don't go racing with the intention to hurt anyone.

Your shortsightedness would be surprising if it wasn't for the fact that you've probably "explored to" and "smoked" that "common sense" portion of your brain to oblivion.

Of course people don't go (street) racing with the intention of hurting anyone - their intention is to have fun in their cars. Unfortunately, there are hundreds upon hundreds of drivers on the road who weren't invited to this "race" and are completely unaware of what's coming.

What part of this do you not understand? You're not a kid anymore. Grow up - realize the consequences of your actions.

But at least Drugs funded the creation of our great country.

Oh great, a history lesson. Thanks Jerry Garcia.

So your saying your not depending on any substances whatsoever?

[Ed McMahon voice]You are correct sir![/Ed McMahon Voice]

[KoukiS14]

i didnt have an airbag when i was 19 and ate a steering wheel and windshield that makes you think real quick. and totaled my friends 66 olds cutlass that he got from an old lady and it only had 20,000 miles and garage kept.

I took an 03 C230 Kompressor Sport 6 spd on a test drive and slide it into a ditch, causing it to roll and rest on the passenger side door.worst I've done so far :o

[KoukiS14]

Drugs are bad, m'kay?

The funny thing about folks who strive to be "different" and who label themselves as "non-conformist", is that they all end up being the same. They then create their own group of conforming non-conformists. It's sad, really, how disillusioned they are.

You're right, adolescents go "threw" (through) this because they gain freedom as they get older and because most of them are also terribly immature and think only of themselves.

Then they grow up, realize how foolish they were as kids, and get on the path to success and make something of themselves - realizing that, hey, it's not so bad to work 8 to 5 and live a "normal" life. Or they never grow up and fester in their own hazy idea of not conforming while everything around them goes to pot - literally.

I think the only drone here is the one who's dependent upon mind-altering substances to make "profound" prophecies about a "promised land" without rules and regulations.

This guy is dead on. All of this is factual. You never actually understand it until you're older though, nothing you can do about that.

[1unar3clipse]

Oh great, a history lesson. Thanks Jerry Garcia.

AP history ftw.

[marleyfan]

You never actually understand it until you're older though, nothing you can do about that.

I agree. When I was younger I had ALL the answers. It wasn't until I got older that I realized that I had never even really understood the questions.

[Rockhound]

I am also working on making my own company...such as everyone knows "Geek Squad".

Here's an idea - you could call it the "Nerd Herd"...and you might even get caught up in a saucy espionage plot with an all-too-hot CIA agent! Wait, that sounds kind of familiar.

God didn't put these plants on this earth just because they look nice...they are here for us to use and explore parts of our mind we have many people no contact with. It is possible to get in contact with those parts of the mind with other substances but I have not been able to achieve that yet. Its a hard long journey that people struggle for a long time to get to.

What does "we have many people no contact with" mean? I really feel sorry for you that you think that this "hard long journey" is worth "struggling" for. Just what to you expect to "achieve"?

Does anyone else think the above paragraph reads like something that wasn't translated very well?

And your whole God's intention line is a real hoot! You sound like Brian Wilson circa 1968 or something. Man. Perhaps you just "Weren't Made for These Times".

[srellim234]

lain- I'm not going to get into name calling and belittling here, but I have a question about your philosophy. Is it really your belief that there is nothing inherently wrong with my firing a gun through a crowd if my intent is to see if I can thread a bullet through there without hitting someone? Especially if I believe I have the skill to pull it off?

I understand the disdain for laws and rules you dislike in our society. But you seem to lack a sense of social responsibility that has to be there for people to co-exist.

[Rockhound]

lain- I'm not going to get into name calling and belittling here...

Who's done that? I think we're just telling it like it is. He's already mentioned that he sees nothing wrong with driving whilst being high on "God's gift" of pot and street racing, so I think his credibility is shot, anyway.

[lain]

Lol I guess that little part didn't make sense. I often do that where I send the message to my fingers what to type and they often forget to put a few words that I sent them on the keyboard. I blame the fingers.

Havn't thought of a name yet...I'm taking things one at a time...first I'm working on my certs.

I don't know what to expect, everytime its different. I just take what it gives me and try my best to understand it. Its a completly different point of view. Kids that are being born now and days are alot smarter then we were. The average IQ now and days is 130, when before that would be gifted...and that is only the average. I'm hoping that maybe my kids will be able to understand the message that I have been trying to figure out all these years.

I don't think I have all the answers...thats why I am constently looking.

Weed does nothing to destroy the brain, that was all propaganda from that movie Reffer Madness that you guys might know of (possible the best stoner movie ever made). The cells are still there...they don't die.

Your right I'm not a kid anymore this is why I waited so patiently for this. It isn't good for a growing mind to use mind-altering substances because well its still growning and can have an impact in the long run. Which is why I waited till I was 20 to start.

Do you know why pot makes you hungry? Because it speeds up your metabolism. If you can with stand the extreme munchies it will help you lose weight.

BTW there are more deaths with prescrition drugs then illegal drugs every year. Infact the illegal drug death count has been going down and the prescription drug death count has been rising. Makes you wonder which is the real drug.

[lain]

Who's done that? I think we're just telling it like it is. He's already mentioned that he sees nothing wrong with driving whilst being high on "God's gift" of pot and street racing, so I think his credibility is shot, anyway.

I don't race when I'm high...I just don't want to think as much so in order to make it so I can do as little thinking as possible I find myself going 50 on the freeway, 25 on the streets, and like 15 down residental streets.

[1unar3clipse]

Who's done that? I think we're just telling it like it is. He's already mentioned that he sees nothing wrong with driving whilst being high on "God's gift" of pot and street racing, so I think his credibility is shot, anyway.

good e-thugging!

everyone in thread receives +1000 posts! man you guys get crazy in the Versa forums.

[1unar3clipse]

I don't race when I'm high...I just don't want to think as much so in order to make it so I can do as little thinking as possible I find myself going 50 on the freeway, 25 on the streets, and like 15 down residental streets.

And you just shouldn't drive high, thats retarded...Its common sense, whether or not being paranoid/less paranoid makes you drive safer. your more dangerous with slowed reaction times while driving.not to mention driving slow is how cops catch people dumb enough to operate a moving vehicle under the influence.

Just stop. don't admit to being a moron online in forums, the flaming and needless schooling just continues and no one learns anything but what an idiot you can be behind the wheel... under the influence.