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sr20meplease
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alcohol injection???
been looking around the forum and i see the KA24-t guys and gals are talking about alcohol injection. do you guys think it would work for the sr?
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wow.
well the Sr is a engine isnt it?
Of course it would work...
maybe do a little research on what alcohol injection is (http://www.google.com), and youll find out a little more of what your asking about...
well the Sr is a engine isnt it?
Of course it would work...
maybe do a little research on what alcohol injection is (http://www.google.com), and youll find out a little more of what your asking about...
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Re: alcohol injection???
:slapsr20meplease wrote:been looking around the forum and i see the KA24-t guys and gals are talking about alcohol injection. do you guys think it would work for the sr?
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Water injection has better cooling properties then alcohol and gasoline. I believe for every 14 parts gasoline is 1 part water, so naturally it absorbs more heat then gasoline. Water injection can be setup in 3 ways: sprayed at the intake before the turbo, after the turbo before the intercooler, or after the intercooler. Water injection does not harm an engine because the water enters in a fine mist and most evaporates into the air before it enters. The rest of the mist evaporates during the compression or combustion stroke which cools the exhaust charge also. My friends use water injection on their SRs just recently and netted great results including higher boost (not sure what psi they are at) and a awesome gas milage, 25-32mpg. We pulled one of his spark plugs and that thing was CLEAN. Water injection steam cleans the inside of the engine so no carbon deposits can stick anywhere. A combustion motor will only hydrolock if you manage to dump obscene amounts of water in there. With such a tiny injector/mist spray, it is almost impossible to squeese that much water out of it to drown the engine.
Search for the Aquamist website, it is what my friends use.
Search for the Aquamist website, it is what my friends use.
I have heard nothing but good thing from Acohol Injection. You can Advance timing and boost more without detonating (don't go overboard on boost and timing though) and it is almost impossible to foul out plugs with it. Just like ItzGenX stated the spark plugs are actually cleaned. I would be a good idea to have some type of monitor/tuning device so that you can check your engines knock such as a knock link or engine management. The Alcohol will also lower your injector duty cycle, so that you can have the boost raised and not go static.
I will be installing a SMC Alcohol kit in my WRX in about 3 weeks. Here is the link to their website http://www.smcenterprises.com This kit is for the Buick GN but they are pretty much universal. Here is a pic of the kit.
Thank you.
Ivanhttp://www.HypnoticPerformance.com
I will be installing a SMC Alcohol kit in my WRX in about 3 weeks. Here is the link to their website http://www.smcenterprises.com This kit is for the Buick GN but they are pretty much universal. Here is a pic of the kit.
Thank you.
Ivanhttp://www.HypnoticPerformance.com
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sr20meplease wrote:everyone i have been talking to in and about town...all say i will blow my sr with alcohol injec. maybe they were thinking like achohol as a gas....well water injection or acohol injection? which is better?in your guys minds?
Water injection is for knock protection, Alcohol on the other hand will do the following. Protect against KNOCK, be able to Advance timing, and Turn up Boost. You would even be able to run 87 octane with alcohol and the octane rating of the 87 will increase. Thank you.
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Everyone should read my thread on Alcohol Injection. I know its in the KA board, but your not going to turn to stone.
Before I installed the alcohol on my car I read everything about it. I talked to people who have it on there cars. I talked to some guys who have used it for 10 years straight and are still running the same motor.
The word alcohol when mixed in the same sentence as motor scares people. Especially the ignorant ones.
I would like to talk to the guys who said you will blow up your engine by running alcohol. They're probably the same people who were afraid to run sythetic oil when it first came out. Actually, they probably weren't driving yet huh.
Alcohol will not cause your engine to melt. I'm not saying you can go ahead and run 30psi of boost either. But alcohol has been proven to eliminate detonation.
Water doesn't burn, I won't be injecting anything that doesn't burn into my engine intentionally. Does it prevent detonation?? Yes it does. But so does alcohol, but at the same time alcohol burns and produces 15% more energy when ignited then 91 octane pump gas.
I actually prefer for no one else to use alcohol now that I think about it. Because it'll give me that much more of an advantage. Seeya at the track...
WD
Before I installed the alcohol on my car I read everything about it. I talked to people who have it on there cars. I talked to some guys who have used it for 10 years straight and are still running the same motor.
The word alcohol when mixed in the same sentence as motor scares people. Especially the ignorant ones.
I would like to talk to the guys who said you will blow up your engine by running alcohol. They're probably the same people who were afraid to run sythetic oil when it first came out. Actually, they probably weren't driving yet huh.
Alcohol will not cause your engine to melt. I'm not saying you can go ahead and run 30psi of boost either. But alcohol has been proven to eliminate detonation.
Water doesn't burn, I won't be injecting anything that doesn't burn into my engine intentionally. Does it prevent detonation?? Yes it does. But so does alcohol, but at the same time alcohol burns and produces 15% more energy when ignited then 91 octane pump gas.
I actually prefer for no one else to use alcohol now that I think about it. Because it'll give me that much more of an advantage. Seeya at the track...
WD
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Quote »Water injection is for knock protection, Alcohol on the other hand will do the following. Protect against KNOCK, be able to Advance timing, and Turn up Boost. You would even be able to run 87 octane with alcohol and the octane rating of the 87 will increase. Thank you.[/quote]
Water Injection does everything that alcohol injection does, minus the extra combustion. You can advance timing and crank up the boost while using water also. Only thing, it doesn't create extra power through combustion. It does, however creates more torque do to advancing timing(also gains small HP), lower egt, and lower temp intake charge. Turn up the boost for more power if you would like. Both, alcohol and water injection are based on the same concept and design. You can get a water injection unit and add water or alcohol. My friends use 30/70(water to alcohol) mix on track days for the extra hp push without changing timing or boost. When they are off the track, its back to 100% water(because it's free).
Water Injection does everything that alcohol injection does, minus the extra combustion. You can advance timing and crank up the boost while using water also. Only thing, it doesn't create extra power through combustion. It does, however creates more torque do to advancing timing(also gains small HP), lower egt, and lower temp intake charge. Turn up the boost for more power if you would like. Both, alcohol and water injection are based on the same concept and design. You can get a water injection unit and add water or alcohol. My friends use 30/70(water to alcohol) mix on track days for the extra hp push without changing timing or boost. When they are off the track, its back to 100% water(because it's free).
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I would like to seriously test the results with the 2. If water were that effective, I believe it would be used by racers. But I just see them using alcohol and methonal.
By cooling the combustion charge with water and not actually increasing timing or boost, your gains will be very minimal.
The main reason to add a knock deterent is to increase boost and or timing. Or I would not bother injecting anything.
On the track, during a test, using a Buick GNX, simply by adding alcohol injection, the car gained .4 in the 1/4. After the boost was increased the gain went to 1.9 in the 1/4. You won't see that from injecting water.
But if alcohol is to expensive for you, water is another alternative.
I'm a serious promoter of alky injection and my views are extremely biased in this situation. But I speak from 3 years of experience.
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By cooling the combustion charge with water and not actually increasing timing or boost, your gains will be very minimal.
The main reason to add a knock deterent is to increase boost and or timing. Or I would not bother injecting anything.
On the track, during a test, using a Buick GNX, simply by adding alcohol injection, the car gained .4 in the 1/4. After the boost was increased the gain went to 1.9 in the 1/4. You won't see that from injecting water.
But if alcohol is to expensive for you, water is another alternative.
I'm a serious promoter of alky injection and my views are extremely biased in this situation. But I speak from 3 years of experience.
WD
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I would like to seriously test the results with the 2. If water were that effective, I believe it would be used by racers. But I just see them using alcohol and methonal.
By cooling the combustion charge with water and not actually increasing timing or boost, your gains will be very minimal.
The main reason to add a knock deterent is to increase boost and or timing. Or I would not bother injecting anything.
On the track, during a test, using a Buick GNX, simply by adding alcohol injection, the car gained .4 in the 1/4. After the boost was increased the gain went to 1.9 in the 1/4. You won't see that from injecting water.
But if alcohol is to expensive for you, water is another alternative.
I'm a serious promoter of alky injection and my views are extremely biased in this situation. But I speak from 3 years of personal experience and hours of research.
WD
By cooling the combustion charge with water and not actually increasing timing or boost, your gains will be very minimal.
The main reason to add a knock deterent is to increase boost and or timing. Or I would not bother injecting anything.
On the track, during a test, using a Buick GNX, simply by adding alcohol injection, the car gained .4 in the 1/4. After the boost was increased the gain went to 1.9 in the 1/4. You won't see that from injecting water.
But if alcohol is to expensive for you, water is another alternative.
I'm a serious promoter of alky injection and my views are extremely biased in this situation. But I speak from 3 years of personal experience and hours of research.
WD
I have been looking onto both systems....and im pretty sure water is the best way to go for what I want.Alky is just as safe, and probably more effective more making power as an end result, but the water is an all around better source of cleaner more efficient injection. Alky would produce more power by creating a more combustable mix, but there are a few problems with doing this.Alky will be using the same principle as race gas, no? Race ags produces power from higher comb. properties, and lower egt's. But just like race gas, alky, i have heard that alky isnt as freindly on your seals and also is horrible on your o2 sensors. Its like running 116 all the time. well, that is if you are ALWAYS in boost. The water injection is what i think im into more. If you want power adding properties and th conveince of water injection--just use methanol. Water/methanol injection is more for safety and for internal cooling properties than it is for producing power. Using water.methanol reduces egt's roughly 100 deg f when in use at your preset boost level. Race team use alky for power--companies like ford motorsport, and cossie rally use water/methanol because it is, in hte long, run safer and more efficient to the everyday driver. Plus===water's alot cheaper than alky:D .Not to mention, if it ever happened---id rather develop a leaky water tank, thana leaky alky tank under the hood
But im still thinking on it--right now im leaning more toward the water/methanol injection.
But im still thinking on it--right now im leaning more toward the water/methanol injection.-
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THis is good, lets keep it going...
Here are a few kits.http://www.snowperformance.net/products.asp?id=1
These look good, can anyone convert to us curency please?http://www.aquamist.co.uk/cp/cp.html
Spearco makes a kithttp://www.racetep.com/wik.html#trbh20
Overall the aquamist kit looks the best, most professional..
SO... From what I understand, any one of these kits can be mixed with alchohol or methenol or water.. correct?
I've always opted to do this instead of Nitrous, It makes total sence to use water every day and mix in a little booze for thoes race days, or even have a seperate take you could mix on the go.
THis is good stuff, keep it comin
Here are a few kits.http://www.snowperformance.net/products.asp?id=1
These look good, can anyone convert to us curency please?http://www.aquamist.co.uk/cp/cp.html
Spearco makes a kithttp://www.racetep.com/wik.html#trbh20
Overall the aquamist kit looks the best, most professional..
SO... From what I understand, any one of these kits can be mixed with alchohol or methenol or water.. correct?
I've always opted to do this instead of Nitrous, It makes total sence to use water every day and mix in a little booze for thoes race days, or even have a seperate take you could mix on the go.
THis is good stuff, keep it comin
your better off spraying 91% isopropyl.
on my dsm, i had a NOS fogger jet spraying isopropyl into my intercooler.
use a hobbs switch, a small fuel pump, a fogger jet [use nitrous pills to tune the flow of alcohol] and a fuel pressure regulator. [the fpr is to mantain a constant pressure relative to boost pressure]
you can throw a nitrous fuel solenoid in there too.
the aquamist systems are great. you can piece together a much simpler system, i just like to get elaborate when i put something together.
on my dsm, i had a NOS fogger jet spraying isopropyl into my intercooler.
use a hobbs switch, a small fuel pump, a fogger jet [use nitrous pills to tune the flow of alcohol] and a fuel pressure regulator. [the fpr is to mantain a constant pressure relative to boost pressure]
you can throw a nitrous fuel solenoid in there too.
the aquamist systems are great. you can piece together a much simpler system, i just like to get elaborate when i put something together.
Isopropyl alcohol is a 3 carbon alcohol w/ the hydroxyl on carbon 2. There are more bonds to be broken so theoretically you'd get more energy out of this than you would get out of methanol or ethanol. This probably wasn't the answer you were looking for but I tutor organic chemistry and I just couldn't help myself.