Abandoning KA for SR. Advice for 230whp?

[CRyan]

Well guys - because of the large sums of money I don't have and the long needed hours to fabricate, and fabricate. . . and fabricate.

I have dropped the idea of boosting the KA series engine with a Procharger. Yes, you can look down on me for giving up on the barely started project - but I really don't have the money or time right now to begin much less finish it. Hopefully sometime in the near future I will restart the process - but it won't be anytime soon.

SO - After long days of thinking, and thinking. I have come to the conclusion to run the SR engine. I have read so much good stuff and its honestly RIGHT in my price range (as far as I'm understanding). The swap is somewhat simple, which a 19 year old like myself needs, and there is (from what I understand) very little if any fabricating. So no more strain on the brain.

Anywho - I'm hoping to purchase this engine and keep it somewhat stock, trying to keep it some what "sleepy". Ex. I DEFIENTLY am wanting to keep the SMIC - unless they make an aftermarket one that I haven't ran across.

I'm wanting to make about 230 rwhp at about 10 - 12 psi. If I'm not misunderstanding, this can be done with only a few modifications to this engine.

So, now stated all this - PLEASE give me some input on what YOU all think I should do.

I mean, I understand this is talked about so often in this forum, but all I ever read about is guys doing big builds on the engine. I'm not trying to make it a dyno queen, I'm just wanting a car to go pay back some due's to a few neons and civic's that have unfortunately beaten me at the track.

I'm wanting a car that will be fun, and to a degree reliable, because I know with the swap it won't be as, but it can still be DD.

All information your willing to give me is appreciated - and from the bottom of my heart - i love you guys (in the most non gay way)

So thank you so much in advance - and as soon as I begin this I will have my own little thread about it. Shoot, this will probably become it if enough people like to pitch in there two cents.

Thanks for reading, and for all the positive critism/information in advance

Corey aka CRyan

[kornaz]

Go KA-T. For the price of SR you can boost the KA.

[CRyan]

but i'm not wanting to go through all the issues of fabricating right now. . .

I'm a 19 year old gittery for a boosted street car. Yes I've helped build and ran what could considerably be one of the fastest street cars in the Southeast, but I want something that I won't have to worry about.

And its not that I doubt the fabricating - but everyone can make mistakes - and its a chance I don't want to take with this car.

[CRyan]

i'm not a puss.

ga. lol

[kornaz]

There's no need for a lot of fabrication. Piece a kit together and just put it in and tune it.

[CRyan]

but putting the kit on. It has more pieces to it. More pieces means more chances I have to mess up.

Besides - the KA engine I have now has 150XXX miles on it and I'm not wanting to rebuild it anytime soon. O, and it has numerous leaks. Everywhere ha.

[IanS]

and from the bottom of my heart - i love you guys (in the most non gay way)

hahaha, suuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrreeee, just keep telling yourself that

as for doing the swap, 230whp is a very respectable goal, it can easily be achieved with an aftermarket fuel pump, FMIC, some sort of boost control and a decent exhaust.

There are some other things that wont increase the HP, but will keep the engine much more reliable, things like a larger oil pan, oil cooler, some gauges to keep your eye on things, a better radiator, some good E fans.

There are also a bunch of things that will just make driving the car more enjoyable, things like motor mounts, and suspension.

Hope this is helpful, searching the RWD SR forum should be able to tell you everything you need.

[SeVa-S13]

Bart, I offered a little advice on AIM but I figured you could handle tincans better than I.

(You still around Roanoke? Zach (in RI atm) and I may be moving in the next year or so and are weighing location options.)

[CRyan]

I understand that these forums having everything I do need.

But come to realize - most everything is a debate. KA vs. SR vs. RB, intakes not making a difference, stuff like that wouldn't be much help.

I'm wanting to find a few opinions on how to set up an S14 (kouki) chassis with a prodimentaly stock SR20DET engine to make 230 rwhp within the budget range of a 19 year old.

Thank you for the advice about the motor mounts and suspension - those will be a for sure for I'm really wanting, like you said, a fun and enjoyable ride.

Again - thanks for all the help - along with the aid from seva on AIM.

[ser2102]

get a full s14 sr20det motorset.then do general maintenance on it - spark plugs, front and rear oil seals, check for a dented oil pain, clean it up. i would suggest a new clutch since the motor will be out of the car. i have a stage one exedy, love it.

for 230 rwhp-greddy m-spec intercoolergreddy or whatever brand you want BOV recirculatedHKS wastegate actuator T28walboro 255lph pump.finished

[ZiG]

So no more strain on the brain.

Yeah, I hear SR owners dont like that.

[SeVa-S13]

There's only one goddamn "o" in "Walbro."

[CRyan]

Walbro?

I've got a company I can trust a little more - not to knock walbro

But I'd rather run Weldon fuel pumps in anything

[0wn3r]

Good suggestions from most...except maybe a boost controller, not sure why you'd need that.

From what I've researched, at 10psi you'll want to upgrade that SMIC to FMIC...at least for an S13

What's your budget anyways? Rich-kid spend whatever daddy gives me, or poor man doin it on your own? haha, throw out a $ you're looking to spend in the end.
Modified by 0wn3r at 8:28 PM 11/10/2007

[CRyan]

All together - I'm not wanting to go much over $3000.

I have found an SR in canada from an import place for $2100 shipped. This is the S13 blacktop BTW. Comes in an engine set.

[idahotuner]

i am only 19 but maneged to get my 240 with and sr swap allready, which i have pulled out and pulled apart. lol. got the whole car for 3700. but yea good call going with the sr. 230whp is an easy number to obtain. my goal is a little higher then that. around 400rwhp. but good luck with the build. there is alot of good advice on here. before i even got my car. i would get on here and just read.

[DrifterProdigy85]

SR swap is gonna cost over $3k if its done right.

[ka24dave]

There's only one goddamn "o" in "Walbro."

lmao

[CRyan]

SR swap is gonna cost over $3k if its done right.

Damn. . .are you kidding me?

I think my heart just hit my feet

[Hijacker]

SR swap is gonna cost over $3k if its done right.

QFT

Little things add up quickly when you do an SR swap.

Blake, when did you IM me on AIM? I don't really remember a convo with you, but I've been wrapped up in COD4 since Tuesday so I'm forgetting a lot. I'm still in Roanoke, btw.

[White Comet]

u dont need to spend $3k, its just easier to add certain things while the motor is out. u can modify and add things later. u can really save if u install urself. iirc ARC makes a side mount if u wanna stay side mount. getting to 230 is cake. my friend has an s13 sr w/ 840 cc injectors, z32 mafs, apexi n1 catback, dp, avcr, pfc, hks fmic, and hit 277 whp at 15 psi

[0wn3r]

u dont need to spend $3k, its just easier to add certain things while the motor is out. u can modify and add things later. u can really save if u install urself. iirc ARC makes a side mount if u wanna stay side mount. getting to 230 is cake. my friend has an s13 sr w/ 840 cc injectors, z32 mafs, apexi n1 catback, dp, avcr, pfc, hks fmic, and hit 277 whp at 15 psi

840cc injectors?!

I started to post a list of everything that you would probably come across while swapping...then I was forced to go play Halo3.

Anyways, $3K is nice...but if you're including the motorset, you're going to come up a little short. I can post a list of parts/prices later I guess.

[White Comet]

yeah the 840s were in the car when he bought it but i have the dyno sheet to prove he hit 277 on a stock turbo

[CRyan]

u dont need to spend $3k, its just easier to add certain things while the motor is out. u can modify and add things later. u can really save if u install urself. iirc ARC makes a side mount if u wanna stay side mount. getting to 230 is cake. my friend has an s13 sr w/ 840 cc injectors, z32 mafs, apexi n1 catback, dp, avcr, pfc, hks fmic, and hit 277 whp at 15 psi

Alrighty - well next question - Whats all the abbreviations mean? ha - I'm really not looking for that much HP. I really don't want to come off $3000 more or less maybe 200 bucks. If I begin to debate on whether not how much I need to spend, I'll become empty pocket very quickly.

Will this side mount be able to handle the 10-12 psi I'm wanting to run and keeping it relatively cool?

[idahotuner]

pullin the motor back out to instal new stuff isnt that hard either. so if you want to wait on some things its not that big of deal. clutch is a big thing though.

Once you turn up the boost on a stock clutch IMO it slips like crazy. i could rev it up at 12 psi drop the clutch (brand new oem clutch) and it would just sit there and smoke the clutch. i even had it slip when i wasnt shiftinglike in 3rd gear. when i would hit full boost.

[White Comet]

Alrighty - well next question - Whats all the abbreviations mean? ha - I'm really not looking for that much HP. I really don't want to come off $3000 more or less maybe 200 bucks. If I begin to debate on whether not how much I need to spend, I'll become empty pocket very quickly.

Will this side mount be able to handle the 10-12 psi I'm wanting to run and keeping it relatively cool?

my bad, dp = down pipe, pfc = power fc, avcr = is a boost controller by apexi, and fmic = front mount intercooler

[homeslicej2]

Stock side mount will heat soak above 10psi. If you want to keep it get the ARC one.

[0wn3r]

Just some low estimates:

$2500 - S14 SR20DET$300 - Used/Knockoff intercooler kit$250 - clutch$200 - motor/transmission mounts$75 - intake/filter$40 - spark plugs$250 - misc. (resurface flywheel, piping, wiring, gaskets...)

$3615 TOTAL

That's not even including fluids/filters, exhaust, BOV, fans, driveshaft, gauges, controllers, tuning etc....

[White Comet]

^ ur estimates are a a little high, i just sold an fmic for $60 not $300, and he could swap it in completely stock and upgrade later

[idahotuner]

yea and stock motor mounts and ther things can be reused or bought used.