A saab TDO4 turbo on my CA trouble with exhaust housing

[carim000]

hello, i have an S13 with a CA18det ,i took out my stock t25 turbo and i tried turn the wheel but it was too hard to turn .i went out tryin to find any turbo which is better then the T25 ,i found and supra 7M turbo for 300$, a TDO5 12b from a volvo (need a rebuilt kit) for 80$,and a TDO4HLA 19T from saab for 100$.i bought the saab turbo cus its really cheap and and look and turns like its new.

the TDO4HLA 19T is found on the volvo V70R ,the saab TDO4HLA 19T is found on the saab aero ,which is V6 2.8.the exhaust housing off the saab is different then the volvo .the volvo has a T25 flange on the turbo but the saab has 2 inlet because its a V6.

i heard that TDO4 and the TDO5 housings are interchangeable but my turbo is new and dose not have any bolts ,it is held by a clamp i think.

this is the same turbo that i got.

http://www.invasionauto.com/pa...362fe

wat should i do?

[hydra]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but TD04 and TD05 housings are NOT interchangeable

Your options are as follows:

- rebuild your stock turbo- buy yourself another stock turbo - or get some $$$ together and buy my GT28R :P

But whatever you do don't ruin your car with cut and shut turbos and manifolds, do it RIGHT!

[dash]

good performing turbos. Seen some "hot" european CA18s run those 17T/19T mitsu turbos. They're not 'babies' like the T25 thos, you'll need supporting mods.Takes quite a bit of effort to fit them. Are you ready for that commitment.If not, I'll try to sell it off and buy a bolt-on T25 or T28

[ca18detgabby]

i heard that TDO4 and the TDO5 housings are interchangeable but my turbo is new and dose not have any bolts ,it is held by a clamp i think.

that clamp sounds like a V-band

go find a decent SR turbo and be done with it. I see pretty fresh SR T25s go for 100 all day long.

[hydra]

Yeah but note that he's overseas, and shipping and customs would cost him at least that much...

[r34 gtr]

Why don't you find the V70R housing? The CA18 would rip people a new one with that turbo on there. A 19T is pretty big, should be good for quite a little mountain of HP.

[carim000]

well my 2 choices are:1.getting a volvo spec exhaust turbo house (from god know where)?2.making a new turbo manifold ?

the problem in choice no 2 is that their is no one in my country that could be totally trusted in doin a turbo manifold.they dont know how to make one right.and alot of them say that it the turbo manifold could crack easily.what do u think guys?

and dose any one know the capability of this turbo on a CA.cheers

[ca18detgabby]

isnt this a bolt in adapter?

http://www.atpturbo.com/Mercha...-FLS1

[KEMP]

dude,

well my 2 choices are:1.getting a volvo spec exhaust turbo house (from god know where)?2.making a new turbo manifold ?

the problem in choice no 2 is that their is no one in my country that could be totally trusted in doin a turbo manifold.they dont know how to make one right.and alot of them say that it the turbo manifold could crack easily.what do u think guys?

and dose any one know the capability of this turbo on a CA.cheers

DUDE , listen, seriously, its a VOLVO turbo, on a NISSAN, there are so many differences that it isn't even funny, first off, the housing is nearly impossible, and stupid to do, noone in the states woul weld you a manifold right, because what your trying to do is WRONG, and shouldnt be done.

its not going to work, your wasting time and money, and no one knows the capabilty of this turbo because noone has been stupid enough to try it on a CA, hell a top-mount t3 welded to the stock manifold would be a better idea.

[carim000]

dude,

DUDE , listen, seriously, its a VOLVO turbo, on a NISSAN, there are so many differences that it isn't even funny, first off, the housing is nearly impossible, and stupid to do, noone in the states woul weld you a manifold right, because what your trying to do is WRONG, and shouldnt be done.

its not going to work, your wasting time and money, and no one knows the capabilty of this turbo because noone has been stupid enough to try it on a CA, hell a top-mount t3 welded to the stock manifold would be a better idea.

go check out how stupid the turbo is

anyways no more suggestions anyone?and wat can i do with that v band adapter ?if i had it could i change my exhaust housing with the t25?

[hydra]

The V-band adapter picture is just to allow you to convert a 4-bolt T3 outlet to a V-band outlet, and has NOTHING to do with your problem... I have no idea why ca18detgabby even posted it in the first place

[r34 gtr]

DUDE , listen, seriously, its a VOLVO turbo, on a NISSAN, there are so many differences that it isn't even funny, first off, the housing is nearly impossible, and stupid to do, noone in the states woul weld you a manifold right, because what your trying to do is WRONG, and shouldnt be done.

its not going to work, your wasting time and money, and no one knows the capabilty of this turbo because noone has been stupid enough to try it on a CA, hell a top-mount t3 welded to the stock manifold would be a better idea.

I don't agree with this. I remember reading a while back that someone on SXOC made 340whp at 28psi on this turbo. Granted the engine lasted all of a week because he never tuned it, but you get the idea.

Volvo didn't make the turbo, Mitsubishi did. Its a TD04. The only thing keeping him from running it is a proper manifold. If he were to have one made, or were to make on himself, it would work just as well as any other turbo. Turbos are not even slightly manufacturer specific, you need to read up on some stuff. telling him that what he is doing is wrong and stupid is just ignorant. Please keep those comments to yourself.

Granted it could be more cost-effective to use a turbo with an exhaust housing inlet that is easier to work with (that one is crazy as hell, I will agree), but saying harsh stuff like that is not necessary.

[carim000]

thanks r34 gtr for ur reply ,i know KEMP dosnt know wat he is talk about so i didnt bother replyin to wat he said.now to back to our issue ,i think i dont have any alternative but to make a new turbo manifold and down pipe and that would cost me 280$ .do guys think it would be a good idea doing so?!is their anything i should be aware off?!cheers

[wajouba]

dude,

DUDE , listen, seriously, its a VOLVO turbo, on a NISSAN, there are so many differences that it isn't even funny, first off, the housing is nearly impossible, and stupid to do, noone in the states woul weld you a manifold right, because what your trying to do is WRONG, and shouldnt be done.

its not going to work, your wasting time and money, and no one knows the capabilty of this turbo because noone has been stupid enough to try it on a CA, hell a top-mount t3 welded to the stock manifold would be a better idea.

KEMP <- you don't know what your talking about...

Hydra, stop trying to sell ur very over priced turbo install it if you love it that much... :P

Karim, we'll find a solution to this manifold crap soon!

[KEMP]

yes i do know what i am talking about, why would you want to go through all of this bull**** and fabrication, when you can get a turbo rebuilt, or buy a turbo that is more suited for your car/manifold.

ya i do know volvo didnt make it, mitsu is the brains brhind all the TDXX turbos, i know this, i built an 11sec talon from complete stock.

seriously man, i have a stock ca turbo, i will get it rebuilt and send it out to you for $125

let me know if interestd.

[hydra]

KEMP <- you don't know what your talking about...

Hydra, stop trying to sell ur very over priced turbo install it if you love it that much... :P

Karim, we'll find a solution to this manifold crap soon!

Wajouba, Its really comes as no surprise that you find $600 to be too much to pay for a $930 (more like $1200 after shipping and customs) turbo, especially after you thought $100 was too much to pay for a clean low mileage S13 transmission, and demanded an almost brand-new clutch be thrown into the deal - no surprise at all. Just so you know, I sold Boutros Kayan (of Kayan Racing fame..) one just like this for that price, and its only a matter of time before he comes back to me for this one as well... In any case, I wish you and Karim all the best in your plumbing (mis)adventures...

PS - Is that unregisterable jalopy of yours running properly or not yet?

[dash]

DUDE , listen, seriously, its a VOLVO turbo, on a NISSAN, there are so many differences that it isn't even funny, first off, the housing is nearly impossible, and stupid to do, noone in the states woul weld you a manifold right, because what your trying to do is WRONG, and shouldnt be done.

its not going to work, your wasting time and money, and no one knows the capabilty of this turbo because noone has been stupid enough to try it on a CA, hell a top-mount t3 welded to the stock manifold would be a better idea.

Dead wrong.... go do your homework and stop guessing/posting wak info based on silly assumptions.... and no, you DON'T know what you're talking about.

The T and other mitsu C/G turbos are great proven performers on the CA18.Seen a few european S13s run low 12s and ~270-300hp using 16/17T @16-18psiMore aggressive setups use the 18/19TAs stock exhaust manifold becomes a bottleneck, most get rid of 'em.Hot performing low priced turbo ? Ya, must be a "stupid" thing to do ?

Gotta realize those folks are obviously alot more capable, smarter, resourceful and craftier than you are.Some have modified BMW clutches on their hi power CA18 rather than plunking down $$$Others have adapted readily available stronger BMW 5spd gearboxes.Mindless sheep have no choice but to travel the beaten path"Out the box thinkers" usually over-achieve, by doing these sorta "wrong" & "stupid" things. Wake up.

must be a helluva hookup. Rebuilt a T25 shipped for $125 ?good gesture to offer it at that price.

[wajouba]

an unregistered good car, is always better than a registered piece of ****... especially with all the rust ur car is facing in the bonet I wouldn't be talking

About Plumbing the best place to check for that is your house, since I've heard nasting stories from people close to u...

About the 100$ for the transmission + Clutch, the clutch is with me, its all rusted... no it ain't new like u say... plus I've got a whole LS1 with transmission plus wiring and ECU for 1500$ in this country... so...

In the end, at least I don't sell oil coolers with oil flown in them before... and proudly say they are brand new...

[hydra]

an unregistered good car, is always better than a registered piece of ****... especially with all the rust ur car is facing in the bonet I wouldn't be talking

Tell that to the cops when they impound your ****...

About Plumbing the best place to check for that is your house, since I've heard nasting stories from people close to u...

Problem has long since been taken care of, wish I could say the same about the problems you've been having with your jalopy

About the 100$ for the transmission + Clutch, the clutch is with me, its all rusted... no it ain't new like u say... plus I've got a whole LS1 with transmission plus wiring and ECU for 1500$ in this country... so...

Sorry I don't see your point, you're STILL a cheapskate!

In the end, at least I don't sell oil coolers with oil flown in them before... and proudly say they are brand new...

Hey, you still bought it in the end didn't you?

Enough of this petty nonsense though... I seriously wish you all the best with your jalopy, and hope Karim figures something out soon!

[wajouba]

I don't think you've taken care of that plumbing bro, a Kal3out is a Kal3out no mattar what he does...

The definition of Jalopy is found under your spray painted car...

I hope no one in lebanon hears u calling someone else a cheapstake... that'll be a new joke...

[r34 gtr]

Easy guys easy, lets calm this down a bit.

carim, with the current crazy exhaust housing on that turbo, I would be a little apprehensive at going out and building a manifold for it. I would try and get something with a nice t3 or t4 flange so that if something happens to your turbo, you aren't stuck trying to find the exact same one for a replacement. Its nice to have options.

If you want to do it though, go for it. That turbo would be pretty mean on a CA, so long as you had the fuel and tuning to support it at higher boost levels.

[mbmbmb23]

isnt this a bolt in adapter?

http://www.atpturbo.com/Mercha...-FLS1

http://www.atpturbo.com/Mercha...-FLS1



He'd need something like this to go between his SR turbo elbow and TD exhaust housing's v-band outlet...but it would need to be flipped around with the v-band side facing forward and T28 flange side flipped (welded on the other side).

Its probably easiest to fabricate your own turbo elbow with a v-band on the front and a triangle flange to meet your SR downpipe.

[carim000]

yup its true it is easier to fabricate it.

i got a couple of questions

1.since i will be making a custom made turbo manifold ,and the turbo has two exhaust inlets,then how should i connect them ?(1 n 4 to one inlet /2 n 3 to the second inlet)??is that right??2.hopefully after the car is finished with the manifold ,should i have any kind of shield or headers wrapper so their wouldnt be so mush heat in the engine bay?(dose that matter)? thanks guys

[r34 gtr]

Yeah, I would do whatever you can to keep heat away from the brake master cylinder, unless you are RHD, then by all means go wild.

[carim000]

3.is it ok if i change the direction of the turbo oil line ,by that meaning the oil line that is gettin the oil to the turbo dose it have to face up?can the line be facing the left or the right ?

[carim000]

Yeah, I would do whatever you can to keep heat away from the brake master cylinder, unless you are RHD, then by all means go wild.

wat is RHD ?

[r34 gtr]

You can have it orr to the right or left by 15 degrees or so, but not much more. You want gravity to help pull the oil through the turbo. Mine is about 15 degrees to the inside of the engine, but it isn't causing any restrictions. I know because one time I forgot to connect the oil return and primed the turbo, and found a small ocean of oil under the car.

RHD = Right Hand Drive.

[carim000]

so wat u mean is that i should get header wrapping ,and it is preferable not to turn the line facing up more then 15 degrees .

since i will be making a custom made turbo manifold ,and the turbo has two exhaust inlets,then how should i connect them ?(1 n 4 to one inlet /2 n 3 to the second inlet)??is that right?? is that the firing sequence of the ca??!

and thanks r34 gtr

[dash]

I'd just weld a short elbow/downpipe directly onto the housing, with a flange to connect to the exhaust system

doesn't that turbo already have a T3 flange ?

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[carim000]

no man the turbo dose not have a T3 flange ,the turbo i have has 2 small exhaust inlets that have a circular shape.i will post pic tomorrow of the turbo i have and my old t25.

i was trying to find the best place to fit the turbo and i was surprised to find that is it amazingly cramped up in that area of the engine bay and the exhaust flange of the tdo4 turbo doesn't help at all.the stock turbo manifold of the CA has the 1st and the 4th meetin up together and the 2nd and the 3rd meetin up together then all goin to the t25.but with the tdo4 i got i have 2 separate flanges.and i can not connect them in that way the only way i can connect them is 1st with the 2nd in one flange of the turbo and 3rd and 4th in the other turbo flange.

1.will this set up have a major difference on lag or any thing else?!

2.and guys i dont know where my turbo came from,what car??i have searched a lot and i cant find anything. it is a SAAB TDO4HLA-19T.

other then that i hear some people saying that the TDO4 18T are laggy on the CA .3.then is mine gona be laggy on my CA?

well i have puffed air with my mouth in to that turbo and it turned and my old T25 can be heard turning at idle and it is intensively hardly be turned by hand and it used to open up full boost at 3800 rpms