A new Versa 1.6 under $10,000 coming?

[Rand0m0sityxX]

Itd have no a/c to get good mileage. the a/c compressor causes the motor to burn more, ever notice when you use a a/c in the summer you get less miles then in winter when you don't use it?

Without A/C, this will be a short-lived model. The folks at Nissan better figure out a way to get A/C in it, while keeping that price point. People don't want to drive around in a car without A/C. Keep in mind there still is a very healthy used car market.

[feloniousmonk]

Anyone know if the current $500 rebate will apply to the 1.6l? Or if AC is standard or optional?

Geez. No one reads.

No A/C standard. Check with your dealer about the $500 rebate, which is nothing compared to the 0% APR (for 36 months) offer. You can shave off $500 easily in negotiations.

[Samyo]

I never made an argument in regard to fuel economy when I said that A/C must be an option for this car. Don't put in an A/C and make a few Versa's available with it for 13,000, oh wait... This will be a great way to get the rock bottom MSRP necessary for the bait and switch.

Although this might not be the best time to start trying to sell these things, The current national average for gasoline is $2.436, down from $3.576 just last month. That's down 46% in one month. Consumers will definitely forget about high gas prices and shortages, (as the always have).

I would like to see the U.S put an extreme tax put on unleaded gasoline, not diesel mind you. I'm talking $5 dollars a gallon gasoline. Many European nations have already done so. The tax revenue could be used to pay off some of the huge national deficit, decrease pollution, and most importantly, it would give car manufacturers a reason to start creating vehicles that would run on alternate fuel sources. Diesel would not see such an increase in taxes so you wouldn't see the inflation associated with higher costs for producers.
Modified by Samyo at 4:15 PM 11/2/2008

[s4turn]

If I am not mistaken new cars sold in the USA are required to have rear defrost. Its a safety hazard not too.

[feloniousmonk]

Quote »Los Angeles Times Nov 1, 08 - AUTOS; Nissan's $9,990 car requires a little sweat and elbow grease; The new Versa has no AC or power windows, but its price will be the lowest in the U.S. On Friday, the Japanese carmaker said it would begin selling a cut-rate version of its Versa sedan in the U.S. for $9,990 -- more than $1,000 less than the cheapest new car currently sold in America. The frills-free Versa -- which is made in Mexico and will be available starting Nov. 18 -- will come without power windows or air conditioning and will be the only new car available in the U.S. for less than $10,000. The vehicle, selling for $3,000 less than current Versa models, could serve as a bellwether for the kinds of car choices American consumers make in a tough economy: Will they opt for the feature-laden but pricier subcompacts that many automakers are now betting on, or will they pick the most affordable car? "Automakers seem to be trying to do two things: bring in vehicles in the lowest price range while also trying to deliver cars with some level of nobility and class and extras," said Alexander Edwards, president of the automotive division at marketing consulting firm Strategic Vision. "The question is, how many people are going to choose a vehicle that doesn't have air conditioning?" Nissan contends that the credit crisis -- which has gutted consumer confidence, dried up lending and driven down industry sales 13% this year -- is shifting attention to low-priced vehicles. The cheapest car now sold in the U.S. is the $11,070 Hyundai Accent, so the stripped-down Versa may seem like a blue-light special. "A sticker price under $10,000 is certainly appealing to customers in an economy where people don't have money anymore," said Robyn Eckard of Kelley Blue Book. Al Castignetti, head of U.S. sales for Nissan, said the new Versa was designed to compete with the secondhand market.... [/quote]

[LVS12Dave]

Geez. No one reads.

No A/C standard. Check with your dealer about the $500 rebate, which is nothing compared to the 0% APR (for 36 months) offer. You can shave off $500 easily in negotiations.

OP never mentions anything on A/C. I'd assume it would be optional for the price. Also a $500 rebate means alot when your paying cash for the car. That means I can haggle $500 off and take the $500 rebate, making the price only $8900. I'm sorry I don't need to finance the cheapest new car in the US.

[randyshemin@comcast.]

This was in our local Nashville (home of Nissan corporate in the US) newspaper, The Tennessean, last Friday, Oct. 31:

As for the lower-cost Versa, it will be a new version equipped with a 1.6-liter four-cylinder engine and a five-speed manual transmission, and will go on sale at U.S. Nissan dealerships on Nov. 18, spokeswoman Julie Lawless said.

The $9,990 price does not include the $660 freight charge; a four-speed automatic transmission will be available for an additional $1,000, and air conditioning would be another $1,000, Lawless said. That would bring the price of a manual with air conditioning to $11,650 with freight; the automatic with air conditioning would be $12,650.

Current Versa models are powered by a 122-horsepower, 1.8-liter four-cylinder, and prices begin at $12,990 for base versions of the sedan and hatchback with a six-speed manual gearbox. But that price also includes air conditioning.

The 1.6-liter engine on the less-expensive Versa has 107 horsepower. The car has EPA ratings of 26 miles per gallon in the city and 34 on the highway with the manual gearbox, and 26 city/33 highway with the automatic.

That compares with 26 city/31 highway for the 1.8-liter model with manual, and 24 city/32 highway with the four-speed automatic. An optional continuously variable automatic gives the 1.8-liter Versa mileage ratings of 27 city/33 highway. The CVT will not be available with the 1.6-liter value model.

Other than the engine and transmission differences, the value model and the regular versions of the Versa will mostly be the same, Lawless said. They use the same body, which has a roomy interior with space for up to five adults.

Nissan assembles the Versa at a plant in Aguascalientes, Mexico. The car also is sold in Japan, where it is outfitted and positioned as a luxury model.

[Shad0wXCalibur]

Chrysler did this with the first generation of the Dodge Neon. They ranged anywhere from having NOTHING on the car (even manual steering) to having pretty much what SL Versas come with now. The really base Neons with no A/C and manual steering are popular with people who want awesome gas mileage. They can reach up to 50 MPG highway if maintained properly while still being much bigger and faster than say, an old Metro or Ford Aspire. Maybe the 1.6 Versa could be the same way. If you didn't care to have anything, including A/C, it could make for a great gas mileage car and reach into the 40s on highway.

[Great White Versa]

When I lived in Portland, OR I went a summer with no AC in my car and was fine. There where only a few days where really missed having it. It was the winter time that no AC really sucked. Defrosting with no AC compressor can be a real pain...

There are a lot of people here in Vegas who buy those Hyundais with no AC. I don't understand how they can trade $10-15 a month for that kind of discomfort 7 months out of the year

[feloniousmonk]

You can get away with no AC in Oregon. It doesn't get that hot in the summer and when it does it doesn't last long.

[feloniousmonk]

OP never mentions anything on A/C. I'd assume it would be optional for the price. Also a $500 rebate means alot when your paying cash for the car. That means I can haggle $500 off and take the $500 rebate, making the price only $8900. I'm sorry I don't need to finance the cheapest new car in the US.

I know what the OP said. I posted before that there is no AC. $500 incentive is not much after you add all the taxes, fees and destination charges. Like I said before, you can get do better than that in negotiations alone. Plus, with the 0% financing, even if you have the lump sum cash on hand, you could do the financing and leave your money sitting in a bank earning interest (like a 3 year CD). Then once the 0% for 36 month term is up, you pay the remaining balance in full. No point in sending your money out the door in one fell swoop when you don't have to pay interest for 3 years.

[10kvirsa]

Good to know A/C is $ 1000.00 - whats everyones guess about a barebones factory AM/FM receiver with speakers (or go aftermarket) ?

[feloniousmonk]

Good to know A/C is $ 1000.00 - whats everyones guess about a barebones factory AM/FM receiver with speakers (or go aftermarket) ?

Go aftermarket. That's the only way to get all the features you want at a reasonable cost.

[Shad0wXCalibur]

Go aftermarket. That's the only way to get all the features you want at a reasonable cost.

No kidding. To get an SL in the lot with iPod connectivity and bluetooth was about another 2 grand. For $250, I got a Pioneer double-din deck with that and much more and sold the factory deck for $200 on ebay. Huge system upgrade for $50. Can't do better.

[feloniousmonk]

More info on the sub-10k Versa. Hopefully this will put an end to all the hearsay.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/1...-much/

[greggie195]

Go to Nissanusa.com and cofigure one. Very few options, but there are 2 models:Base=$9990 (manual, 1.6L no AC)1.6=$10990 (manual or auto (no price increase), 1.6L, with AC)

Seems like a great price, under 11K and with some hagling maybe $10500, with 36 months 0% thats under $350 a month (with TTL and 0 down) for 3 years and you outright own a car!

Rear defroster is standard and no radio is available (Im sure a dealer would add one). I think it is manual windows, which for me is almost a deal breaker!

[vkheifets]

For a few hundred dollars any after market shop will install power windows. It may not be a deal breaker any more.

Vitaly

[greggie195]

Good to know, didnt realize it was o chea to add power windows. Im very happy with my HB but this seems like a great deal!

[TheClevelandSound]

I like this, not only because it offers a cheap alternative version of the car, but because I can now say i have the fastest version of the model

[biggie]

Am surprised the HB isn't offered with 1.6L.

My quick summary from the website:

1.6 BASE From: $9,990†107-hp 1.6-liter 4-cylinder engine Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle (ULEV) 14" Wheel covers Six standard air bags Front-seat Active Head Restraints Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)

1.6 From: $10,990†1.6 adds: Air conditioning with in-cabin microfilter

-The upper model is 5MT or AT, no extra charge. The base is 5MT only.-Options: ----- ABS - $250 ----- Floor/Trunk Mats - $155

So according to the website, handling/desinations charges ($695):Base, Base: $10,685Full loaded Base: $11,090No options on upper model: $11,685Fully loaded upper model: $12,090

[msb0b]

When you select 4AT, it changes the base price from $10990 to $11990. Therefore it is a $1000 option.

I bet all cars will come with floor/trunk mats, making it a mandatory option.

[BWG]

I saw an ad on TV for it already.

[marleyfan]

drop in value = a drop in my property tax... boo-yah!

With the number of miles I've put on my baby, you can bet your *** I'm bringing in a statement of my car's current value to make sure I'm not paying too much in taxes... I'm fairly certain I'll be able to get my taxes dropped since I've already used up one of my warranties..

Maybe things are done differently in your neck of the woods, but what does your car have to do with your property taxes?

[10kvirsa]

no correlation between automobile value(s) & property tax here either, hopefully the OP will tell more

[alonsorules8]

The sad thing about the base model getting the Renault 1.6L is that there are many options for that engine to be modified.

This is on of the engines you can choose from to run in the European Clio Cup. There are turbo's, inter coolers, and many other options for this engine.

[kc5f]

Maybe things are done differently in your neck of the woods, but what does your car have to do with your property taxes?

In NC, at least, we pay annual property tax on vehicles. Across the border in SC they don't, but their tag fees are much higher. Pretty much a wash, in our case.

[daan]

Well I'm glad this came out after I got my V. THis car is equipped just like I'd want, it was hard to get my V with no power anything. I wanted no A/C, none of the cars I've owned up to now (and I got my first one in the middle 80s) have had air, and I wouldn't miss it in my new car if it didn't have it. Of course this cheap one is sedan only, so I'd probably still have bought a hatch. I can see if I lived farther south, wanting AC but where I live there's only been a handful of days that I wished I had it, but not that big a deal. And someone posted above about mandatory rear defrost, I think only a couple states (like Washington or Oregon) have that rule, I never heard about that until a friend of mine moved to Seattle a couple years ago.

[DUCeditor]

For the 'bottom line is everything' crowd the new, smaller displacement, Versa is likely a good deal. But. There is always a "but."

I like high mileage, but I also want to find pleasure in my automobiles. Even the base model of the current model just doesn't satisfy that later need.

Cheapo feeling appointments. Manual windows. No cruise control. On and on it goes.

So, yes, such a car has a place, But not in my garage.

And now, after owning a Versa with a CVT, I would not want any car without one.

-d

[longo]

When one of the teams that are building a car for the $10,000,000 X-Prize race next year went to a local auto wreaker, they bought an old Neon with no engine.

They are planning mod's that will give them the 100 miles per gallon needed to win the prize money.

Mind you Neal Young is also putting a car in the 100mpg race, his old 2 1/2 ton 1959 lincoln hardtop. They have it up to 50+ mpg's already.

Here is how he describes driving it.."It’s fantastic, it’s very eerie, very ghost-y,” he said, “this beautiful, huge white car moving down the road and not making a sound.”

AS for the 1.6 ltr Versa I say it's going to be a guttless dud. If they wanted better mpg's for the Versa they should put in the 2 ltr engine from the Sentra with it's extra, low end grunt, and the same MPG's. My 1.8 Versa engine is always running RPM's way too high for really good MPG's. I think 26 to 27 mpg on the highway after 20,000 miles will be the reason there will be no new Versa in my driveway...ever.


Modified by longo at 6:27 PM 11/27/2008

[gmader2001]

http://www.canadiandriver.com/...n.htm

"The base Versa 1.6 Sedan is equipped with six standard airbags, including front, side, and side-curtain airbags. The Value Option Package includes A/C, power windows, heated power mirrors and remote keyless entry."

Seems in Canada you can get the value option package.