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You are entitled to your own opinions as am I. I clearly stated in my first post that it was MY experience and that I know that it probably not the Normal situation. I never attacked or gave crap to anyone for smoking weed. In fact I stated that I am pro choice in the matter. I am not jumping to any conclusions.. I am merely stating my personal experiences as Seva asked us to do.

While I have no idea what constitutes a casual smoker... Stanford University defines my drinking activitys as social.
continental_drift wrote:and one other thing, the discussion in this thread is not to leave this forum,this is personal information that I keep OFF of the board for a reason, as I'msure others here do as well.
Someone sounds a little paranoid...

Its all cool Micah.


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thekage wrote:Someone sounds a little paranoid...
I just feel that its relevance outside of this thread is nil, especially in light ofhow other less analytical forum members take something like this and runwith it.

we're cool kage, even if you don't know how to spell activities

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Oh, I don't know how many of you guys are close enough to drive to Ann Arbor, but Hash Bash is coming up April 1st. It's pretty cool, if you're not doing anything that Saturday, you should come up.

Here's the website: http://www.hashbash.com/

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it looks like they were high when making that website, not surprisingly!

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I'm sorry, what about it makes it look like they were high? That's one of the less intelligent things I've heard you say in awhile Wes. You're lack of experience with the matter and subsequent stereotypes and uneducated opinions really shine through anytime this topic comes up.

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The first step in having a productive and meaningful debate is being able to undersatnd the other persons point of view clearly enough to explain it back to them to their *approval*.

Please seek facts and to gain others (pun intended) POV.

For now, I'll leave this thread, but I'm sure I will regret that .

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continental_drift wrote:I just feel that its relevance outside of this thread is nil, especially in light ofhow other less analytical forum members take something like this and runwith it.

we're cool kage, even if you don't know how to spell activities
This is very true, and exactly the reason I keep it on the DL in general, and on these boards. It's tough, people judge you and make assumptions that are absolutely untrue. I am a very productive member of society. I am graduating college in one of the most difficult majors available and doing it in the minimum time possible while also holding down a job where I've been working 20-30 hr weeks so that I can support myself. I have many responsibilities and I think the assumption that weed controls your life is completely unfair. Wes, while I like you man, you are one of these people. I see you steotyping weed smokers, never trying it, and then in a few years being strung out on coke (I sincerely hope not though).

And, appologies for the rambling nature of my earlier post. I wrote it while I was simultaneously trying to study for a final I had today. In general I've stayed off the boards lately because I've had to much to do but I had to respond to this one. Hell, if anything keeps me from being productive it's this damn website, the only thing in my life I've ever been "addicted" to.

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Rex wrote:The first step in having a productive and meaningful debate is being able to undersatnd the other persons point of view clearly enough to explain it back to them to their *approval*.

Please seek facts and to gain others (pun intended) POV.

For now, I'll leave this thread, but I'm sure I will regret that .
<3 u rex.

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greg - I appreciated your earlier post for its honesty and for the sheer factthat you made a lot of valid points. rambling is o.k. by me.


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Rex wrote:Please seek facts For now, I'll leave this thread, but I'm sure I will regret that .
The problem with seeking facts in this matter is that since it's such a heavily lobbied matter, there are "facts" from "scientific studies" to support any possibly opinion. For every study showing the relatively minimal health risks associated with smoking marijuana, there is another that says it will ruin your life and kill you by age 30. So who do you trust? I trust person experience of mine and trustworth others.

I hope there is no reason to regret leaving this open, I see no reason this would get out of hand. I just hope all the discussion that happens here remains here. And please, no one invite Ghetto.

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The claim that it is a gate way drug has always bothered me for a few reasons...

First off anybody willing to jab a needle in their arm and inject something some random chemical they melted in a spoon into their veins, probably isn't gonna shy away from a joint...That doesn't mean one lead to the other. One is significantly more severe then the other, Just because people who do hard drugs are more likely to smoke pot does not mean you can assume the reverse is true.

Secondly of the kids I hung out with in high school a significantly higher number of the ones who didn't smoke ended up taking what ever pills they could find or doing coke.
elwesso wrote:Legalizing weed would likely lead to less strain on the judicial system in theory.. I would say htat most drug charges (over 50%) are from weed... However, would the influx of people being arrested by doing things stupid WHILE high offset any benefits? maybe, maybe not, its pretty hard to say...

I think its a tossup, but if I had to lean one way, id probably say it needs to stay as is . its much more dangerous health wise than alcohol is..
How much more trouble do people cause when they are smoking then when they are drinking?what crazy trouble would break out if marijuana was legalized?

What are you basing the claim that it is more dangerous to your health then alcohol off of?

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Red coupe wrote:How much more trouble do people cause when they are smoking then when they are drinking?what crazy trouble would break out if marijuana was legalized?
Harold and Kumar wrote:Where's my spare tire?

----- I don't know.

Where the hell is my spare tire?

-----Oh, yeah! Dude, remember that time we got really stoned and started throwing **** off that bridge to see if it would float?

What bridge? I don't remem... What are you talking about?

-----Oh, ****, that's right. That was with Goldstein. We borrowed your carthat night. My bad.

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The following is a great song that sums up my views on alcohol compaired to cannabis.

I'd upload the song if I knew how... Maybe later I'll put it up on my site for ya'll.
The Irony of it All, The Streets wrote:Hello, Hello. My names Terry and I'm a law abiderThere's nothing I like more than getting fired up on beerAnd when the weekends here I to exercise my right to get paralytic and fightGood bloke fairlyBut I get well leery when geezers look at me funnyBounce 'em round like bunniesI'm likely to cause mischiefGood clean grief you must believe and I ain't no thief.Law abiding and all, all legal.And who cares about my liver when it feels goodWwhat you need is some real manhood.Rasher Rasher Barney and Kasha putting peoples backs up.Public disorder, I'll give you public disorder.I down eight pints and run all over the placeSpit in the face of an officerSee if that bothers you cause I never broke a law in my lifeSomeday I'm gonna settle down with a wifeCome on lads lets have another fight

Eh hello. My names Tim and I'm a criminal,In the eyes of society I need to be in jailFor the choice of herbs I inhale.This ain't no wholesale operationJust a few eighths and some Playstations my's vocationI pose a threat to the nationAnd down the station the police hold no patientsLet's talk space and timeI like to get deep sometimes and think about EinsteinAnd Carl Young And old Kung Fu movies I like to seePass the hydrator pleaseYeah I'm floating on thin air.Going to Amsterdam in the New Year - top gear thereCause I taker pride in my hobbyHome made bongs using my engineering degreeDear Leaders, please legalise weed for these reasons.

Like I was saying to him.I told him: "Top with me and you won't leave."So I smacked him in the head and downed another CarlingBada Bada Bing for the lad's night.Mad fight, his face's a sad sight.Vodka and Snake Bite.Going on like a right geez, he's a twit,Shouldn't have looked at me like that.Anyway I'm an upstanding citizenIf a war came along I'd be on the front line with em.Can't stand crime either them hooligans on heroin.Drugs and criminals those thugs on the penny coloured will be the downfall of societyI've got all the anger pent up inside of me.

You know I don't see why I should be the criminalHow can something with no recorded fatalities be illegalAnd how many deaths are there per year from alcoholI just completed Gran Tourismo on the hardest settingWe pose no threat on my setteeOoh the pizza's here will someone let him in please"We didn't order chicken, Not a problem we'll pick it outI doubt they meant to mess us aboutAfter all we're all adults not louts." As I was saying, we're friendly peaceful peopleWe're not the ones out there causing trouble.We just sit in this hazy bubble with our quartersDiscussing how beautiful Gail Porter is.MTV, BBC 2, Channel 4 is on until six in the morning.Then at six in the morning the sun dawns and it's my bedtime.

Causing trouble, your stinking rabbleBoys saying I'm the lad who's spoiling itYou're on drugs it really bugs me when people try and tell me I'm a thugJust for getting drunkI like getting drunkCause I'm an upstanding citizenIf a war came along I'd be on the front line with em.

Now Terry you're repeating yourselfBut that's okay drunk people can't help that.A chemical reaction inside your brain causes you to forget what you're saying.

What. I know exactly what I'm sayingI'm perfectly saneYou stinking student lameoGo get a job and stop robbing us of our taxes.

Err, well actually according to researchGovernment funding for further education pales in insignificanceWhen compared to how much they spend on repairingLeery drunk people at the weekendIn casualty wards all over the land.

Why you cheeky little swine come hereI'm gonna batter you. Come here.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHA, YES! <3 The Streets

Save Target As please:Irony of it All - The Streets


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http://www-personal.umich.edu/...l.mp3

P.S. The Mic, when's the last time you posted NOT stoned? It seems like it's been a while...

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This brings up an interesting question. Why does someone feel the need/want to smoke marijuana? I can understand it if you are a cancer patient etc. but why would a healthy human being need to smoke it? Is it to make you feel better? To be happy? Shouldn't people be able to feel good without the aid of drugs/alcohol and if you can't then don't you think you should look for what it is that makes you unhappy instead of lighting one up. I don't smoke and drink occasionally, and I can't understand the reasons why someone would need to smoke marijuana. I guess the same question can go for the use of alcohol and even cigarettes.

I had a similar discussion with my brother and he said something about doing it because it was wrong so he could "change" the system into making it right. It didn't make sense to me and I still don't understand why. Why do people need to alter the way they normally feel with drugs?

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I think that answere is gonna be diffenrent for most people, If they even know it..

but I suppose the general answere would be "because it entertains me and I can"you dont need to do 90% of what you do so why do you do it? because its enjoyable.

Why would you strap your self in a car and go around a track JUST below the point everything goes out of control and you could die, or be injoured?You could just slow down and it would be MUCH safer....

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Same reason people drink.Same reason people skydive.

Yeah, it's not the best thing for your health/safety, but interesting/fun/etc.

Now, the reason people do stuff like peyote and salvia? That's for enlightenment

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JimmyMethod wrote:http://www-personal.umich.edu/...l.mp3

P.S. The Mic, when's the last time you posted NOT stoned? It seems like it's been a while...
When's the last time you posted w/o the douche hat on Jimmymethod? It's been a while...

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colies97~240sx wrote:This brings up an interesting question. Why does someone feel the need/want to smoke marijuana? I can understand it if you are a cancer patient etc. but why would a healthy human being need to smoke it? Is it to make you feel better? To be happy? Shouldn't people be able to feel good without the aid of drugs/alcohol and if you can't then don't you think you should look for what it is that makes you unhappy instead of lighting one up. I don't smoke and drink occasionally, and I can't understand the reasons why someone would need to smoke marijuana. I guess the same question can go for the use of alcohol and even cigarettes.

I had a similar discussion with my brother and he said something about doing it because it was wrong so he could "change" the system into making it right. It didn't make sense to me and I still don't understand why. Why do people need to alter the way they normally feel with drugs?
I thought the same way for the longest time. And I felt even more strongly this way AFTER I had smoked a couple times. It was very unnerving at first and I was far too tense. Yeah everything was kinda funny but I normally just ended up falling asleep in an hour anyway. So while it was minorly fun, I disliked the coughing (I didn't know how to smoke) and like alcohol, was too much an innebriation. I didn't smoke again for like a year.

Now that I do smoke semi-regularly, I've realized people smoke/drink/do drugs for the same reason anyone does anything recreational: it's fun. Really fun once you're used to it, too. I do not suffer from depression (real depression, everyone has problems) and I don't really use it for pain. It relaxes me, it's a very enjoyable and normally mellow euphoria, unlike alcohol where you just get sloppy, irresponsible and sick, and pretty much every facet of life is better. Music is amazing, food is godly, and the conversations you have (provided you have friends with decent intellects) will be mind-expanding. It really is a hedonist's tool.

Something else I've always wondered is why do people drink in small amounts? I personally can't drink that much because I end up puking quickly but having a couple drinks doesn't even begin to effect me, normally tastes awful and I refuse to drive if I've had more than 1 drink. (Been pulled over before smelling of alcohol cuz I had been drinking hours earlier, but had a legal BAC. I was scared out of my mind and don't feel like running the risk again. I've also been pulled over for stupid stuff while high, and not only never got a ticket, but I end up BSing with the cops about something. A Hawaii license is a useful ice breaker I guess...)

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If Jimmy didnt wear a douche hat, we'd be forced to see his hair.

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Damn, I forgot how HOT I was without my hat on...

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One thing I hate about marijuana is that you cant as easily control the high. Youre just stuck with it until it wears off.

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If you're going to omit the Marijuana part of the thread title, why not get rid of the colon too? It's just bothering me

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Jesda wrote:One thing I hate about marijuana is that you cant as easily control the high. Youre just stuck with it until it wears off.
Agreed. It's inconvenient at times, but no different than most other drugs...

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I indulge in the bottle from time to time....a hangover doesn't make me feel guilty though, I've gotta suffer for the fun I had.

people that can't have fun or "live" without it though need to be taken out and shot.

or made to do menial labor tasks. Like wash my clothes....

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Mr1der wrote:I indulge in the bottle from time to time....a hangover doesn't make me feel guilty though, I've gotta suffer for the fun I had.

people that can't have fun or "live" without it though need to be taken out and shot.

or made to do menial labor tasks. Like wash my clothes....
Let's not confuse "menial" with "hazardous to one's health." =\

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The Mic wrote:If you're going to omit the Marijuana part of the thread title, why not get rid of the colon too? It's just bothering me
Why was marijuana removed from the title anyways?

Im reminded of the powerful words of a 20th century poet...
nate dogg wrote:Hey, hey ,hey, hey...smoke weed every day.

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SeVa-S13 wrote:Let's not confuse "menial" with "hazardous to one's health." =\

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Red coupe wrote:Why was marijuana removed from the title anyways?...
Rex wrote:... I changed the title name, as it shows up in "Active Threads" and may draw more than necessary into this sub-forum.


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