a/c 3.5 SE vs Infiniti G37

[adidas2go]

I have a suspect that either weight or performance from the CVT isn't up to par for the G coupe or Z's. How does the CVT downshift? I believe on the G's it rev matches, but not sure how the CVT handles it.

It handles it by not having any gears. It moves a belt using a set of coned shaped actuators. Its flawless, and it perfectly balances power output at any throttle position. It doesn't down "shift". The 7AT won't be as smooth as the CVT.

... I really, really like the G37 and I'm glad that reviews are giving this car the props it deserves..again, if I wanted to stay stock, this would have been my choice... honestly, I've been inside every type of BMW, and I just don't know what all the fuss is about... the boring same old wood grain interior with no frills, no pizazz.. they just don't do it for me...

I was even disappointed sitting inside a 645 which I thought was gonna be breathtaking, and it was so lackluster, I was actually sad...

IMHO, BMW's are the most overrated vehicles on the road... I just don't see what all the fuss is about... oh yeah, i forgot... angel eyes

for those of you wondering why I'm on the BMW rant, read the link that audatious posted

HEY! No hateing on BMW

BMW owns

[rjdmmfl1]

It handles it by not having any gears. It moves a belt using a set of coned shaped actuators. Its flawless, and it perfectly balances power output at any throttle position. It doesn't down "shift". The 7AT won't be as smooth as the CVT.

HEY! No hateing on BMW

BMW owns

sorry buddy, this is where you and I disagree... even while sitting in the M6 , I felt extremely UNDERwhelmed.... only the 750 commands even the slightest head nod from me... again, just my .03

[spockrock]

It handles it by not having any gears. It moves a belt using a set of coned shaped actuators. Its flawless, and it perfectly balances power output at any throttle position. It doesn't down "shift". The 7AT won't be as smooth as the CVT.

LOL sorry it was just an idea, they only thing I see is the AT transmission rave about its ability to rev match during downshifting, I know the CVT has no gears, but is there a lag between when your are coasting to flooring it???

Or more simply I know there are AWD nissans with CVT, but I do not recall seeing any cvt for RWD variants. The only thing I can think of maybe CVT is so far only matches the FWD configurations or AWD's that are FWD but send power to the Rear wheels during acceleration or slippage, much like the Mazda6speed AWD?

Just ideas/suggestions..... dunno.

I am a retard.....

[audtatious]

Murano and such are CVT. The british GT-C concept was turbo as well:

http://muranoclub.com/gtc.shtml

[adidas2go]

sorry buddy, this is where you and I disagree... even while sitting in the M6 , I felt extremely UNDERwhelmed.... only the 750 commands even the slightest head nod from me... again, just my .03

If you want a luxury euro car, then buy a mercedes. If you want a performance oriented euro sports car, then buy a BMW

[rjdmmfl1]

If you want a luxury euro car, then buy a mercedes. If you want a performance oriented euro sports car, then buy a BMW

I'd agree with that, I just always thought of BMW as being luxury, until I got inside of a few of them... but I can't speak to performace... I'm not a performance guy... I like monitors and woofers

[{WBK}Viper]

I almost bought a G37. Reasons I did not:

1. Rear wheel drive....so if the 09 is AWD that's awesome.2. Looks a bit bigger than the coupe in real life.3. To get equal equipment, it's like a 10 grand difference. Not 4-5.The 4-5 difference is for the Journey model which looks stupid.Its the sport 6MT ftw or nothing. And you can't get a Sport 6MT withpremium package for less than 37k. I paid 26K for a 3.5 with premium.So, 11K for G37? Couldn't justifiy it.

4. Too heavy, drives a bit large if you know what I mean, but sorry guys the G37 6MT will beat a stock A/C on the track. It won't blow the A/Caway, but well driven, it should definately win.

There were only 3 things I liked about the G37 better than the A/C, butin the end they just weren't big enough things for the money.

1. Wheels. 2. Front Grill and front end design.3. The 6MT was much more comfortable inside to drive for me, and handledAMAZING!!!!

It comes down to handling vs. bells and whistles. If you want awesome handling and power...G37.If you want almost the power and handling of a G37 but want all the bells and whistles...for 10k less you can get an A/C...so IMO A/C FTW.

[BigDan727]

Take it from a guy who has both of these cars sitting in his driveway as we speak

G37 FTW

[Shift_Altima]

sorry buddy, this is where you and I disagree... even while sitting in the M6 , I felt extremely UNDERwhelmed.... only the 750 commands even the slightest head nod from me... again, just my .03

FINALLY!!! someone who shares my opinion. I thought I was the only one who thought the interior was beyond plain. I got inside of a 328 then inside a 5 series and then a 6.. they're almost all identical with very minor differences. the 7 series is full of knobs and buttons and gadgety things which makes it a bit different.. but in the end.. it has teh bmw interior feel. what a disappointing interior for such beautiful cars (m3.. 6 series.. 3 series..)

[adidas2go]

Yes the interior is a bit stark, but that's BMW's philosophy. When you're blasting along the autobahn at 200km/hr you shouldn't be d!ck around with your cup holder and CDs. (In fact, those silly cup holders in the dash are American add ons.) I'll admit that its seems a bit odd that a Nissan Altima has a nicer interior than a 60K German automobile, but you buy a Bimmer for the way it drives -- which is what sells BMW enthusiasts from the first drive

[RickB]

I've got a G37 and my wife has an 08 A/C 2.5 Premium. We drove the 3.5 when we were deciding. It was ok, but sorry guys the G is a different animal. The redline is 7,500 and when I test drove one I tacked it to 8,200 without the electronic nannies kicking in. Thats E46 M3 territory. Not to mention the absolute menacing exhaust note. When you wind it out, you'd swear you were driving a small block V-8 Ferrari.

Sure if you put a supercharger on an A/C 3.5 it would beat a stock G in a straight away, but the torque steer would be pulling you into the ditch. In the twisties... forget it. Another benefit to the G is the residual value. I'm on a 24 month lease and the residual is 75%, it was a 2008 Residual Value award winner. I did get VPP due to my company, but bottom line, I'm driving the base G37 for 350/ mth with 2000 DOD. I live with the 18's which definately grow on you. No blue tooth or moonroof etc. Still there is no way I would be happier in a 3.5 A/C and I doubt I would be saving too much money on a lease due to the residual difference. Not what folks on the A/C forum want to hear, but go test out a G37 and tell me I'm wrong.

[Shift_Altima]

I've got a G37 and my wife has an 08 A/C 2.5 Premium. We drove the 3.5 when we were deciding. It was ok, but sorry guys the G is a different animal. The redline is 7,500 and when I test drove one I tacked it to 8,200 without the electronic nannies kicking in. Thats E46 M3 territory. Not to mention the absolute menacing exhaust note. When you wind it out, you'd swear you were driving a small block V-8 Ferrari.

Sure if you put a supercharger on an A/C 3.5 it would beat a stock G in a straight away, but the torque steer would be pulling you into the ditch. In the twisties... forget it. Another benefit to the G is the residual value. I'm on a 24 month lease and the residual is 75%, it was a 2008 Residual Value award winner. I did get VPP due to my company, but bottom line, I'm driving the base G37 for 350/ mth with 2000 DOD. I live with the 18's which definately grow on you. No blue tooth or moonroof etc. Still there is no way I would be happier in a 3.5 A/C and I doubt I would be saving too much money on a lease due to the residual difference. Not what folks on the A/C forum want to hear, but go test out a G37 and tell me I'm wrong.

i agree 10000%. I have a 2.5.. but i've driven the 3.5 in the 2007 g35 coupe. i've also driven the g37. it's an animal like you wouldn't believe. the way it corners.. accelerates.. and just moves.. what an amazing car. to be honest since you brought up the exhuast note rick.. the exhaust on the older g35 coupe's sounded better.. but still.. it sounds incredible. the altima really can't be compared to this car. not that ours isn't a really nice car.. but you'd be comparing apples to oranges if you tried. but then again.. i really like my 27 mpg.

[Shift_Altima]

oops. i meant the 2007 g35 sedan. or maybe it was 2008? idk. whatever.

[3ugene]

Why is everyone bashing BMW?For most its more about the status of owning a BM... plus build quality on any BM would be better than our Altimas or even Maximas.

[MagicM]

Why is everyone bashing BMW?For most its more about the status of owning a BM... plus build quality on any BM would be better than our Altimas or even Maximas.

It's a Altima forum what do you expect haha. BMW hasn't really changed their interior in 7-8 years time, but i think the quality and feel is still nice. I never considered BMW luxury but more Pure performance/drivers car first than anything else, Mercedes/Bentley have been the Luxury cars for me. I agree BMW are part statues symbol, they still are nice cars that are built with quality and performance so i don't think they're all that bad. Frankly i don't even see why BMW is statues symbol anymore most of the ones i see on the road are cheap 328i's that loose to cars costing half the price in acceleration, have nothing in them, and i've seen Dish washers with new BMW 3 series.

[audtatious]

While BMW has made some mistakes I sure won't argue that they usually top quality lists. Nissan/Infiniti are stepping up the game and are constantly rising up the charts. I have yet found anything really bad from a fit and finish standpoint on the G so I'm pretty happy (then again I didn't have any issues with my Maxima either).

[RickB]

It's a Altima forum what do you expect haha. BMW hasn't really changed their interior in 7-8 years time, but i think the quality and feel is still nice. I never considered BMW luxury but more Pure performance/drivers car first than anything else, Mercedes/Bentley have been the Luxury cars for me. I agree BMW are part statues symbol, they still are nice cars that are built with quality and performance so i don't think they're all that bad. Frankly i don't even see why BMW is statues symbol anymore most of the ones i see on the road are cheap 328i's that loose to cars costing half the price in acceleration, have nothing in them, and i've seen Dish washers with new BMW 3 series.

Keep in mind that the 3 series is to BMW what the base model Sentra is to Nissan. You have to recognize that all auto manufacturers have a sweet spot, and for BMW the 30K price point isn't it. Go drive an M3 V-8 at 8,000 RPM's, or an M6. I don't think you'd be saying you'd rather drive the A/C. Everything can be boiled down to cost effectiveness, but to those that can drop 70K on a car and are actually into performance cars, they won't be stopping by the Nissan dealership anytime soon. They may get a GT-R delivered to them, and they'd say man this is fast, but what's up with the plastic?!

[adidas2go]

I've got a G37 and my wife has an 08 A/C 2.5 Premium. We drove the 3.5 when we were deciding. It was ok, but sorry guys the G is a different animal. The redline is 7,500 and when I test drove one I tacked it to 8,200 without the electronic nannies kicking in. Thats E46 M3 territory. Not to mention the absolute menacing exhaust note. When you wind it out, you'd swear you were driving a small block V-8 Ferrari.

Sure if you put a supercharger on an A/C 3.5 it would beat a stock G in a straight away, but the torque steer would be pulling you into the ditch. In the twisties... forget it. Another benefit to the G is the residual value. I'm on a 24 month lease and the residual is 75%, it was a 2008 Residual Value award winner. I did get VPP due to my company, but bottom line, I'm driving the base G37 for 350/ mth with 2000 DOD. I live with the 18's which definately grow on you. No blue tooth or moonroof etc. Still there is no way I would be happier in a 3.5 A/C and I doubt I would be saving too much money on a lease due to the residual difference. Not what folks on the A/C forum want to hear, but go test out a G37 and tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong

I take G37's for lunch

TQ steer in the altima coupe, with proper suspension mods and forced induction, is almost non-existent. I autocross and canyon run with my car regularly, and It keeps up with many cars way about its class. If you put money into the right performance aspects of this car, it can be a beast

[rjdmmfl1]

I've got a G37 and my wife has an 08 A/C 2.5 Premium. We drove the 3.5 when we were deciding. It was ok, but sorry guys the G is a different animal. The redline is 7,500 and when I test drove one I tacked it to 8,200 without the electronic nannies kicking in. Thats E46 M3 territory. Not to mention the absolute menacing exhaust note. When you wind it out, you'd swear you were driving a small block V-8 Ferrari.

Sure if you put a supercharger on an A/C 3.5 it would beat a stock G in a straight away, but the torque steer would be pulling you into the ditch. In the twisties... forget it. Another benefit to the G is the residual value. I'm on a 24 month lease and the residual is 75%, it was a 2008 Residual Value award winner. I did get VPP due to my company, but bottom line, I'm driving the base G37 for 350/ mth with 2000 DOD. I live with the 18's which definately grow on you. No blue tooth or moonroof etc. Still there is no way I would be happier in a 3.5 A/C and I doubt I would be saving too much money on a lease due to the residual difference. Not what folks on the A/C forum want to hear, but go test out a G37 and tell me I'm wrong.

I think that most folks would agree with you, even those of us that love our A/C's... I think we're getting into comparisons between the G37 and 3.5 A/C, and that's a futile comparison... performance wise.... but if you talk about features, there's a little room...

with a base model G37, there are no auto on/off headlights, no dual zone temp control, no 6 disc changer, no bluetooth, no moonroof, no BOSE system, no option for woodgrain interior, no navigation system availability, etc. ... again, performance wise, the A/C can't stand up... but luxury-type feature wise, there's an argument to be had.

Personally, I'm not a performance junkie, so I would take a prem. packag 3.5 A/C over a base model G37 any day of the week.... but that's just me...

If we're talking performance, and there's money to buy either, I think its a no brainer, G37 all day

If we're talking luxury items, and you can afford even the JOurney level of the G37 with the option for acesories, then I still say the G37 all day

BUt if you're not a performance person, and you're deciding between a watered down G37 with almost no features and not even the option of adding those features on your car, then there's an argument that a 3.5 prem package A/C is not out of the realm of comparison...

But again, all things considered, and you've got the extra dough to spend, I would say G37..

and no, the G37 exhaust tone is NOT as sexy as the G35's exhaust.. to date, I think that's the best non aspirated exhaust note I've ehard on a 30K car!

[{WBK}Viper]

You need to spend 11 grand more to get something truely better. Is thatworth it?

[MagicM]

You need to spend 11 grand more to get something truely better. Is thatworth it?

XD when is it ever worth it