89 5.0 into s13 anyone done it? which oil pan?

[turbocrisper]

just wondering if this swap has been done and if so what oil pan and pickup was used

[WDRacing]

Isn't the 302 from 86-93 Mustang front sump? If it is then you'd be all set. If not, you'd have to find another model that has a front sump and use that and the pickup.

WD

[turbocrisper]

the oil pan for a mustang is dual sump. I think i am going to be using a circle track racing oil pan which is front sump.

next task is to figure out is the motor mounts

[WDRacing]

I'd try to use a modified stock motor mount.

[boxcarracer]

this thread still alive??? i wanna know more about the 5.0 in the 240 i have a 5.0 HO laying around and just bought a 240sx wanna see what your plans are

[WDRacing]

Its hard to keep these threads alive. It seems like no one is following through with their projects.

The 302 HO would be just about perfect for a motor swap. Its very narrow which will leave room for header clearance. The motor mounts can be fabbed fairly easily with a piece of 1/4 steel and the stock 240 motor mount. You may have to use a combination of both mounts.

What year 240 do you have?

WD

[the_momo]

make an oil pan.

thats what i did with my sbc 350 in my s13. then itll fit perfectly, and you wont have to modify the crossmmber, which imho is better to leave alone.

[KATwo40]

make an oil pan.

thats what i did with my sbc 350 in my s13. then itll fit perfectly, and you wont have to modify the crossmmber, which imho is better to leave alone.

I like this concept. I'm about to pick up a 93 Cobra 5.0 with about 53k miles and an E-303 cam. This will be going into the 240 (S13), so I'm figurin' keep the stock crossmember myself.

[WDRacing]

No need to fab one when you can buy a front sump pan with new pickup...

Then you can keep the stock cross member and only have to fab a transmission mount. Which isn't to bad if you have a drill and some 1/4 steel plate.

Johny, what are you doing in here? Finally give up on the KA?

WD

[KATwo40]

Yep. It's SBF time for my 240...with a pair of 2871's.

[WDRacing]

John, I was leaning on a SB Chevy motor myself. I won't be starting until we move to Tx in Oct, but I say we do a Chevy vs Ford comparison. Money vs power etc. Would make a really good thread.

WD

[XofXtimeX]

That'd be pretty bad *** on the pricing range and everything..I'm buying everything for the LS1 right now. I just boughy my motor for $1250. I was wanting to make a list of everything I buy for it to be put in and everything and compare it to something different like a SBF.

[WDRacing]

The LS1 wins as far as WHP potential on stock parts. But it gets owned everywhere else.

[KATwo40]

I think the C vs. F comparison is fantastic!

[s_13_steve]

i saw en episode of pinks that had a 240 w/ 350ci chevy engine in it kicking the **** out of a 5.0. i would say go with a chevy motor because it will probably last longer and has more power potential. but the 5.0 still isnt a bad choice, and it would be a cool sleeper either way.

[KATwo40]

Wasn't that the episode where the dumbass jumped on the windshield of the 240?

I'd say that win was more than just 5.0 vs. Chevy 350. The 240 weighed quite a bit less than the 5.0 car, plus all the other variables in each engine's build.

I'm still gonna go with the 5.0 for simplicity. Engines from 83-92 had forged 9:1 pistons, they can be purchased, with around 60k mi. on them, for less than $500 and it'll fit my engine bay a little better.

Not to dismiss the SBC by any means, however. It's a sweet engine.

[WDRacing]

Yep, cheap power can be had for either SBC or SBF.

[KATwo40]

Just so ya' know, sourced a few 88-92 Lincoln's (5.0, forged slugs)....$500 for the whole damned car! lol

[turbocrisper]

Ya i am still doing the swap but it has taken a back burner due to me buying a house. once i finish moving i will begin again. I have the motor just resting in the car right now ,so as to not take up space on my engine stand , with no trans for it yet. Will start to post pics once it is in my garage.

[WDRacing]

I'm in the same boat. I move to TX in Sept, so no projects till then

[AZhitman]

I like the 5.0 swap idea....Wonder if I can shoehorn one ni to my Roadster?

[WDRacing]

The 302 is the narrowest of the V8's as far as I know. Worth measuring atleast.

[koukicody]

is stroking a 302 to a 347 relativley in-expensive?if so, i think that would be a great plan aswell.im sure it would be cheaper than a LSx swap, since 5.0 motors are freakin pennies by comparison....

[WDRacing]

The parts for a rebuild are about $1200 not including the block and the machine work. But that includes everything from gaskets to freeze plugs.

[XofXtimeX]

I'm in the same boat. I move to TX in Sept, so no projects till then

Mind me asking what parts of Tx you're moving too? Also what kind of project are you exactly hoping to do?

[WDRacing]

Moving to the middle of nowhere Wichita Falls. My wife is getting stationed at Sheppard AFB. I don't really mind though, I hate AZ. I have friends a few hours away in both directions.

Plus we'll be buying a house with a huge garage for me and all my projects. Should be pretty kicka$$.

I'll be doing a twin turbo 383 SBC build with a 4L60/4L80 automatic transmission. It will be driven on the road quite often, but it's still getting a full cage and mini tubs. I plan on making as much power as the driveline will let me. Short of spending 10Gs on a transmission and rear end that is. I figure 550whp for low boost and close to 1000 for track blasts. The rear end is also getting converted to a solid setup rather then independent. Better for drag and WAY cheaper for parts.

Bare in mind this is going to take place in bursts. She'll be up and running on low boost long before she's ready to support 1000WHP. I'm not rich and I'll probably build most everything bymyself in the garage. Course I'll have my son out there with me, he'll be 1...lol. Once I get the project underway, you're more then welcome to visit. I'll have a loft and beer in the garage at all times.

WD

[XofXtimeX]

Well I'm looking forward to hopefully coming over if I have free time around the time of your project then! Sounds like it would be a blast.

[roleson88]

Ive been thinking about going with the 5.0 and have a couple questions

what kind of chassis upgrades would be needed and how hard is it to wire in the 5.0?

[cnichols]

Ive been thinking about going with the 5.0 and have a couple questions

what kind of chassis upgrades would be needed and how hard is it to wire in the 5.0?

I would recommend the Holley Commander 950 standalone. Can be had for ~$750 w/ computer and harness if you find one used. Comes with a program in there already for a stock 302. I don't believe the stock harness is as easy to rig up as say the LS1 harness which is damn near a standalone harness already.

One other thing about the 5.0...I think more beating of the transmission tunnel will be necessary as compared to an LS1 due to the larger bellhousing dimensions.

[cnichols]

is stroking a 302 to a 347 relativley in-expensive?if so, i think that would be a great plan aswell.im sure it would be cheaper than a LSx swap, since 5.0 motors are freakin pennies by comparison....

Don't do it. The large stroke used to reach 347 cubic inches causes all kinds of problems like piston side load, etc. A 331 or smaller, however, is not a bad plan. But, like WD said, the late 80's/early 90's Mustang 5.0s had forged pistons @ 8.8:1 compression. Great for forced induction...the block usually crackes before anything else goes! So, if anything, invest in a nice block first because they won't last long past 550-600 rwhp.