88-91 civic drifting...

[StrangeLove]

Quote »And you can go back to your "probetalk.com" and sell your 240 to get a probe. what do they know. their FORDs.[/quote]

Quote »followed the bandwagon...[/quote]

Quote »WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING...[/quote]

You brought it up buddy :boxing

Quote »YOU NEVER HAD ONE BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Well if I already had a 240 why would I need to buy another one... :dunce

[kompressor]

Please, close this thread.

[StrangeLove]

Yes, close the thread (seriously)

[Phax]

And(2) I don't think you could go around that turn much faster...

The key words above in your case are "I don't think.."

Besides that though, when you are cornering, the point of high speed cornering is all about your EXIT SPEED. If you lose traction in the middle of turn, your EXIT SPEED is much slower than it would have been if you had maintained traction. Ask any road racer about the old addage, "Slow in, fast out."

Where did you get the stupid idea that drifting is the fastest way to take a corner? Please, answer that question seriously despite the fact that I bashed you above. I'd really like to know where such obviously (to me at least) wrong ideas come from.

[Phax]

Please quote where I said that drifting was the fastest way around a turn... I said that the guy went really fast around the certain turn... Sorry if your lack of reading skills caused you to not understand that...

Okay, check this out...

You posted a link to a video clip of a guy drifting around a turn. You then went on to say something to the effect of, "I don't think that turn could have been taken much faster."

Now whether or not you meant to do it, by the way you used the English language, you implied that drifting was the fastest way to take the turn.

The point I'm making is that, it is not. Now, if you want to roast me on the finer points of grammar and diction, please, try again.

I will admit that I was feeding off of J-Spec's mention that drifting is not the fastest way to take a corner. So, I'm not the only one who got the impression that such a silly idea was postulated somewhere in the thread.

[chmercer]

fwd cars cannot drift by deffinition, because it is physically impossible for a fwd car to modulate the angle of the car with the throttle. that civic is modulating the angle of the car with the handbrake among other things, but throttle has nothing to do with the angle of the car in that case.

let it be known that fwd cars cannot drift.

btw, if you guys want to know why that car is sliding so easy with just the handbrake, pay close attention to the width of the rear tires. hes practically rolling on space savers.

[Dattebayo]

Thank you thank you im glad i started ALL THIS.which came first, the drift or the powerslide, the chicken crossed the road only to get flattened by an angry diver behind the wheel of a 240.

Thanks too all who really care not to continue, good night.

[Phax]

let it be known that fwd cars cannot drift.

Granted, a FWD can't sustain a drift like a RWD car can. Go back and watch the video again though. Pay attention to the point where the Civic comes around a corner, with an S14 right behind him. The S14 appears almost identical to the Civic with regards to the sideways angle, and duration of time spent sideways after leaving the corner.

Also, how do you explain the in car video? The techniques the guy was using with regards to counter steering and what not, appeared to be very similar to what I've seen on in car videos of RWD cars.

[JDM]

FWD cars can drift. The above video is proof!!

All the FWD can't drift crap was created by biased people who are haters. :rolleyes

[bijoux]

some of you talk like youre an authority in drifting. yet those some have no where near the skill of the guy in that video.

[scruffy63]

I believe there are many forms of drifting and fwd can use the e-brake to drift with a very skilled driver. but thats not the point of this thread, we are supposed to be saying how cool that vid is, not what a drift is.

[spec-u-later]

Ok I'm not gonna read all this crap because I've seen it all before. If in fact he is "drifting" he is only hitting one aspect of it. Just say, don't use the e-brake. I can drift without an e-brake in fact I prefer it. Also can he he keep the drift going without stopping. I can keep one steady drift till my tires pop or run out of gas. It looks cool whatever it is. Let the FF guys have their fun with e-brakes and lunch trays. They will never win a respectable competition. (Unless it's all FF cars)

[spec-u-later]

ummmm sure buddy. say all you want but that isn't gonna get you far. "I had been looking for a 240 WAY before I got the mx-6" WHO GIVES A ****IN ****!!!!!!! YOU NEVER HAD ONE BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING...STOP POSTING LITTLE STUPID PICTURES.....GROW UP

Beep Beep, Whats that noise? Oh its the bus for preschool and it's here to pick up all the crying little caps lock babies. They asked for you by name. Better hurry up and get on, you don't want to be late.And BTW since I live near Former 240 and we drift on nearly a daily basis I was just curious as to what your grounds are for calling him a ricer. Is it that big aluminum spoiler or maby the altezza taillights? Oh, its because he like to drift, yeah I guess I'm a ricer too.

[chmercer]

FWD cars can drift. The above video is proof!!

All the FWD can't drift crap was created by biased people who are haters. :rolleyes

negative. FWD cars CANNOT drift because, by deffinition, drifting requires changing the direction of the vehcile with modulation of the throttle, which can not be done with a front drive axle. The car in that video is sliding around very nicley, and if you ignore the fact that the rear wheels are locking then it looks like a drift, but it is not. i thought i already said this in my earlier post.

[NV_JSmith]

i'm pretty sure it was the all wheel drive honda he was drivin, they did have those, believe it or not, check a 89 honda civic manual lol i learned that after i lost 50 bux in a bet :-(

[chmercer]

no way thats awd, he would smoke the **** out of the rear brakes if he was on the throttle and ebraking at the same time.

[NV_JSmith]

drop the clutch i guess

[JDM]

negative. FWD cars CANNOT drift because, by deffinition, drifting requires changing the direction of the vehcile with modulation of the throttle, which can not be done with a front drive axle. The car in that video is sliding around very nicley, and if you ignore the fact that the rear wheels are locking then it looks like a drift, but it is not. i thought i already said this in my earlier post.

Your definition is not entirely accurate. I got these definitions from urbandictonary.com

'highly complex driving manuver done by shifting the weight from the front wheels (done by dropping the clutch, pulling parking break etc.) then turning the steering wheel to make the front wheels parallel to the inside of the corner. usually done in rwd cars.'

'To cause your car to slide Sideways effectively.

Done right...this is the perfect way to turn without slowing down.

As Seen In 'Initial D''

etc, etc, etc.

Besides not having a set definition, the more common defininitions do not have ANYTHING to state that front wheel drive cars can not drift.

Just bite the bullet and admit that they can, it might not be traditional drifting, but its definatly drifting.

[240slider]

there is a civic drifting on one of those option videos WHICH I WAS FORCED TO WATCH . but damn cant they stay in the little drag racing and street racing .just tired of looking at them everywhere .If you live in NYC you know my dillema

[JDM]

Any car can do any motorsport... its just that some are better suited to different ones. If someone wants to drift a civic, let them. If someone wants to drift a 240, let them. I don't see a problem with someone driving a car the way they want as long as their is no risk of harm to others.

[TurboKA37]

but thats the problem. after seeing that many people feel like killing themselves, which is causing harm to others.

im just playing, i dont mind the civic

[Mr1der]

jeez, what's the stick up 916's ***?

this thread is freaking retarded...

I didn't even watch the video, but you can't do a powerslide (also known as a power over) in a FWD car, because it involves using the car's power to break loose the rear wheels merely by punching the gas as you begin to turn. Front wheel drive can't do this for the obvious reason,but they can however do wicked 4 wheel drifts easily. Handbraking is handbraking though.

[240tek]

I'm no authority, but I see people equating drifting with different techniques rather than with what it really is. Drifting is sliding your car through turns. PERIOD. It's NOT faster than gripping, and that's not my opinion, it's fact. Drifting started as a SHOWOFF SPORT. To see who could get the closest to losing control while maintaining control. It's for showboating and nothing else. It's fun yes, but serves no practical purpose. (With the exception of Chicanes or something where powersliding, etc, MAY be useful) It has nothing to do with it being a better technique in terms of speed. Secondly, Drifting is JUST sliding through turns. It is not using the throttle to slide, using the brake to slide, nothing else. Yes, there are different techniques you can use to slide depending on the car, but Drifting is not paired with any particular one, i.e. RWD throttling. Technically, without seeing the video, the civic is drifting because he is not gripping the turn, he's sliding. If he's not gripping and he's not drifting then what the hell is he doing? Whether you want to be elitist and say it's not a "true" drift cuz it's now RWD or doesn't need throttle control (which I bet you a million it does in some respect) is up to you, but never-the-less it's drifting. Heel-Toe, Popping the Clutch, Powersliding, E-Braking/Side-Braking, Weight transfer drifts, whatever, they are all different techniques. Not any one of them is THE way to drift, and just cuz you use one of these techniques doesn't mean you are drifting, I.e. powerslide.

Secondly, Initial D means nothing. It's a cartoon. I wish people would realize that. It is not an authority on drifting in any sense. Are you gonna try to give your mom a face-lift cuz you saw it on Extreme Makeover. Come on. Again, drifting is nothing more than sliding your car through a turn. It's not faster than gripping, it's not superior in terms of speed, and it's arguable whether or not it requires more skill. I won't go so far to say it does or does not, though. It's as simple as that. PEACE. Tek.

[Scorch]

what about rally drivers? their ***-ends are out 90% of the time and they seem to be going pretty ****in fast. never do i see them slow down so that they grip along a tight corner.

[kompressor]

Rally drivers keep their car sideways before they even hit the turn. By the way, I meant track drifting, like you know, a track. Want to see what I meant? http://homepage.mac.com/booboo/.Movies/lap2.wmv

[krazy skwerel]

Drifting started as a SHOWOFF SPORT. To see who could get the closest to losing control while maintaining control. It's for showboating and nothing else. .

Well not quite. It is my understanding that in the 50' and 60's when tire technology was poor (BiSply)sp? Drifting was an effective racing tool. Present day it is not and important aspect of racing on the track. Damn it does look cool though.

[240tek]

When I said that, I was thinking in terms of track driving. In that case it's true. For Kompressor, you're one of the ones that said drifting is faster than grip. I still think you're wrong, just because that guy is powersliding doesn't mean he's drifting. I did say that just because you use these techniques, doesn't have to mean you are drifting. And just because you drift, doesn't mean you have to use a particular technique. Scorch: I find your question irrelevant because rallying is different. Therefore, the driving techniques needed will be different. The driving surface is entirley different than track driving. Rallying relies on the idea of gripping on a loose surface, not a solid one (all the time). Granted, in some cases, gripping is not the fastest in rally i.e. a 180 turn. But again, there are too many differences between surfaces and techniques for me to try to explain. I admit, I should've specified that I was referring to Track/asphalt/road surfaces only. But if you think about it. Ralliers have been using these techniques long before drifting came around, and, in quick retrospect, before they even had road surfaces designated for racing. The earliest races I can think of were held on trails or dirt tracks. Anyway, if you want to follow Scorch's logic you could say that all track grippers are wrong since ralliers have been sliding around, successfully, for a century. It's just a completely invalid argument. PEACE. Tek.

[240tek]

You may be right, Krazy. I, however, was referring to it's emergence as a popular sport in the past couple decades. Particularly, its emergence in Japan in the form that it is today. PEACE. Tek.