600whp 1987 200sx SE Build thread. Twin Turbo

[slidestyle69]

LOL!!

listen here young jedi.

That turbo is not ball bearing, that is a cheap wet float turbo off ebay, thats good for one pass on low boost and then its time to re-build it. Point is that its no where near capable of producing 800hp.

i would like to ask another question, Are you sure that your stock sleeves will hold 800hp of boost??..I think not my friend(its ok we were all uneducated at one time...)

Will the oem rings hold up to that much boost and nitrous ?Your not even considering forged internals...WHY????Will the transmission hold up to runing slicks(800hp on radials=epic fail)Your not even considering a rebuild..this motor is ancient..OMG..EPIC FAIL

Now i understand we all want bigger and better things, but this isnt practical, if u disagree then plz prove this whole forum wrong.


Modified by slidestyle69 at 7:00 PM 8/5/2009

[FoxFire]

read the build then you can b****.

and for the record. WWR racing is running 780whp on a stock internal block. ran over 100 dyno runs. and has been draging it for the last 2 years.ask AZ-bum, he told me, i called them and frank confirmed it down at WWR.

1sikz ran 750whp on a stock block for about a year. before he got pistons and rods. he runs a 9.3 in the quarter on the stock trans and stock rear end with the newly built block. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvaKe-91o60

Modified by FoxFire at 7:08 PM 8/5/2009
Modified by FoxFire at 7:13 PM 8/5/2009

[slidestyle69]

What a kawinkydink, i happened to read your build over again and i feel the same way lol

im sorry its just funny, bc you want to make 800hp with the parts you have listed and two supra turbo's and maybe two 50trim wet floater's..

[FoxFire]

its a ball bearing turbo.. i got all the paper work with it...

but either way, ill probably just trade it for an hx35 and buy an hx35 cuz that what i ultimately want for it... i just haven't found 2 for a good deal

[slidestyle69]

its a ball bearing turbo.. i got all the paper work with it...

but either way, ill probably just trade it for an hx35 and buy an hx35 cuz that what i ultimately want for it... i just haven't found 2 for a good deal

pics of your paper work showing that your turbo is a ball bearing?

[FoxFire]

here is the exact turbo he bought

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ories

now i know your going to say ohhh s*** its smooth and yours isnt.... but you can order it that way for a fee. but he wanted the tapable compressor housing.

[hbpignosePA]

still who cares your diff is gonna be destroyed if you just welded it

[s13beast]

I wouldnt trust that turbo as far as i could throw it...

[RCCC_DRiFteR]

God some many flamers in this thread!! Jeeze just let the dude do what he wants. Honestly I don't see how it'll work with just used 440cc injectors. But alot of negativity lately with every thread someone posts...at least unlike the last 450ish s***ty threads posted this one isn't asking a stupid repeatedly asked question and at least a interesting thread

[slidestyle69]

here is the exact turbo he bought

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ories

now i know your going to say ohhh s*** its smooth and yours isnt.... but you can order it that way for a fee. but he wanted the tapable compressor housing.

I cant view your link for some reason but i searched ebay and found alot of similar turbo's like yours that shares the M12 stamping on the side and the serial number starting with EMO..... and everyone was a $200 wet float turbo. but you can look at that turbo and tell its not a dual ball bearing turbo...i wouldnt suggest putting that on your car...if your gonna build it then save up and do it right the first time instead of wasting your time and money on a insufficient build..

Take the money your using to piece together this kit and start rebuilding your motor and so on....trust me if slap together a kit and try to tune with the safc on that motor, then you are gonna have a massive engine failure due to detonation...safc is not a fine tuner, its just an adjuster to a tune...If your just gonna boost a couple of psi then sure you could prolly get by but lets be real, your gonna turn the boost up past the safc's tuning capabilities and then end up broke and a broken motor and its just gonna be a huge mess...but i guess it takes a disaster for some people to realize what is safe and what is not. if you are going thru with this first kit you are talking about, no matter what anybody tells you..then go ahead and it will teach you a couple of things at the end.

[FoxFire]

I cant view your link for some reason but i searched ebay and found alot of similar turbo's like yours that shares the M12 stamping on the side and the serial number starting with EMO..... and everyone was a $200 wet float turbo. but you can look at that turbo and tell its not a dual ball bearing turbo...i wouldnt suggest putting that on your car...if your gonna build it then save up and do it right the first time instead of wasting your time and money on a insufficient build..

Take the money your using to piece together this kit and start rebuilding your motor and so on....trust me if slap together a kit and try to tune with the safc on that motor, then you are gonna have a massive engine failure due to detonation...safc is not a fine tuner, its just an adjuster to a tune...If your just gonna boost a couple of psi then sure you could prolly get by but lets be real, your gonna turn the boost up past the safc's tuning capabilities and then end up broke and a broken motor and its just gonna be a huge mess...but i guess it takes a disaster for some people to realize what is safe and what is not. if you are going thru with this first kit you are talking about, no matter what anybody tells you..then go ahead and it will teach you a couple of things at the end.

you cannot just look at a turbo and tell if its ball bearing or not.and ebay turbo's are junk 80% of the time. sometimes you get lucky and find a decent one. just look at the XS power skyline, the run all XS ebay s*** and it holds up to a s***load of power.

i know safc's suck. im only useing one to run the 440s until i get the rom tunedlike i said, its progressive. as in building it in steps, starting small and going from there.

[FoxFire]

What color do you like best?

i think im going dark green, lime green or corvette orange

as it sits.



and the PS colors i want with a grill

[FoxFire]

the only things im doing, body mod wise, is the grill and vortex generators on the roof.

the look has to go with the power its going to have.

base orange

and the black trims

[yotik]

i like the all black

[heartofaskyline]

you need bigger injectors. and you need to learn about tuning. a rom tune is gonna run like s*** and not give you what you need, neither will a safc.

[FoxFire]

i've been working on my s***

working on the heads...
also got a flowbench to measure the results

[supersayianjim]

youre wasting time and money on this. and the fact that youre going to switch turbos(for the 3rd time now) leads me to believe you know this. stop the madness. but a sr20 and call it a day.
you want easy hp buy a camaro. not flamming you but lets be realistic here. that engine won't fit properly in this car and it will throw off the weight balance. get a rb if you want to be extreme.

i used to own a mk3 supra. and just sold a ct26(working and no shaft play) for $150.00. so i know that turbo is fail. when you first planned on running these i lol'ed out loud. and knew first hand that this was fail..

youre going to run a lexus maf with a nissan car. ha ha

[Dattebayo]

that engine won't fit properly in this car and it will throw off the weight balance. get a rb if you want to be extreme.

You don't know anything about this car, please shut up.

Until you've proven that you have put the hours in, I would suggest that you refrain from posting about other people's builds. kthxbai
Also, you can't say "I'm not flaming" then flame someone.

S12s are by definition budget fun cars. I personally DD'ed one for over 2 years and it was a lot of work.

[RaikkonensApprentice]

lol I wouldn't underestimate the s12 if I were you guys...I know a certain someone with an s12 that's got an rb in it, and a certain someone with an s12 with a vg33er in it that handle plenty of power and don't 'come apart'.

[motoman399]

Subscribed!! good luck

[supersayianjim]

You don't know anything about this car, please shut up.

Until you've proven that you have put the hours in, I would suggest that you refrain from posting about other people's builds. kthxbai
Also, you can't say "I'm not flaming" then flame someone.

S12s are by definition budget fun cars. I personally DD'ed one for over 2 years and it was a lot of work.[/quote]

so what the hell do you know about this car(personally)?? the weight balance of this car would be thrown of by putting that engine in with piping etc(you got proof saying otherwise little man??)

flamming and point out that this guy is full of hot air is 2 differnt things. i was explaining that he had some weak a** turbo's and what not. so you kthxbai

[motoman399]

the weight balance of this car would be thrown of by putting that engine in with piping etc(you got proof saying otherwise little man??)

im pretty sure s12's came with v6's and 4 cylinders. so maybe you guys can just be friends..

hey fox fire. what did you use for porting? can you post pics or links to your tools/bits. and i wanna see your flow bench!

[charat]

ha... haha..... HaAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA PFFFFFFTTTTTTT HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA *choke* BUAHAHAHAHAAHHA

i wont flame you. but ill laugh at you.

[TheRealNap0le0n]

he doesnt have to buy a camaro to make easy power... a sbc fits in those cars.

[S12_hybrid]

There is a lot of hate going on here. The suggestions that this is impossible, that the chassis cannot 'handle' it, and to simply put in an SR20 are not only insulting to the OP and the s12 community - but downright wrong.

Proof of chassis:
http://www.racesilvia.com/cmsms/index.php?page=auto
http://www.linkecu.com/newsfromlink/Diggles9.63 (his best pass was 9.12, has over 700hp at the wheels)

Neither of these cars appear to have been 'split in two'.

"it will throw off the weight balance" - depending on what he wants to do with it, maybe. Proper suspension tuning can do miracles though, and my car is an RB25 swapped S12 coupe which I drift on a regular basis with NO complaints.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/ ... CF2835.jpg

What it comes down to is ingenuity, thinking outside the box, also MAKING MISTAKES and learning from them. The 240sx+sr20det combo has been done time and time again, in the drift community it is known as a 'cheater chassis' since it makes decent power, is pretty reliable, and the chassis is well setup for drifting. Clearly the OP does not want to do what has been done 10 million times, he is taking an alternate and more difficult (but rewarding) path.

Based on the original build list you are going to want to really think carefully about how you plan on implementing nitrous on this motor, at the types of power levels you will be seeing you do not want to mess about. A friend of mine built a 440whp BMW 330ci that blew its intake manifold apart, it was running a nitrous wizards direct port wet injection nitrous kit, and was very well installed, the car burned to the ground (even with fire suppression). Be careful.

At very least check the center housings on those mystery turbos, it will not be worth the heartache to try to find a suitable replacement in that housing size/bolt pattern to match all your piping if they end up shattering.

That maf sensor will likely give you issues as well, if you were to go standalone such as megasquirt it has built in MAP capabilities, and then you can get very creative intake piping.

The rising rate FPR could prove more of a problem than anything. Fuel pressure is not directly proportional to actual injected quantity, I believe it is a logarithmic relation. It also adds a huge question mark to why your AFRs may be changing so wildly.. Not what you want for tuning. Get a good adjustable one, set the rail pressure and leave it at that.

For all the work you are doing to the rear end it may end up being easier to either go with a 300zx, or 240sx IRS or Ford 9" rear axle assembly.

Even 1000cc injectors, with all 6 running at 80% duty cycle would be hard pressed to keep steady AFRs at 50psi or so of rail pressure. You are going to want to oversize your injectors or possibly get a secondary bank (perhaps controlled by a separate nitrous+fuel controller?).

Good luck.

-dan

[FoxFire]

watch and learn people.


flowbench forum
http://www.tractorsport.com/cgi-bin/for ... nboard.cgi

and i used an airpowered grinder with carbide bit for the heavys s***.. and finished with dremel with sanding drums


and hybrid s12...

the SE v6 has an r200 rear end (aka 300zx/240sx rear end)

and i only want 400whp with a rom tune.... then i do the crazy motec m600 and 96lbhr injectors for anything more




and to the idiot that says it wont fit in the car...
IT COMES FROM THE FACTORY WITH A V6
its people like you that give nico a bad name

[krash]

so what the hell do you know about this car(personally)?? the weight balance of this car would be thrown of by putting that engine in with piping etc(you got proof saying otherwise little man??)

Hey jackwagon, he's owned one for two years. "Little man" would beat you down. Jus sayin.

I'm not going to say anything until you post more, you seem to know a thing or two. Good luck!

[supersayianjim]

beat me down?? wow you e-thugs are f*** comedians.^^^

"it will throw off the weight balance" - depending on what he wants to do with it, maybe. Proper suspension tuning can do miracles though, and my car is an RB25 swapped S12 coupe which I drift on a regular basis with NO complaints.

i6 vs v6(i did say do a rb didn't i. but it's youre car hey. it looks bad when you have a plan mapped out but using lame ebay turbos.

[FoxFire]

you got an rb in your s12 my a**...
your a f*** idiot

you didn't even know they come with a v6



and as far as i know... their is like 3 running in the world
draconis is the only one thats post regularly

[S12_hybrid]

you got an rb in your s12 my a**...
your a f**king idiot

you didn't even know they come with a v6



and as far as i know... their is like 3 running in the world
draconis is the only one thats post regularly

I am confused, was this directed at me?

And as for the R200 coming in your car yes you are correct. However obtaining "upgraded half shafts" or axles (which you will need) is going to prove to be a challenge. The diff carrier itself can be sourced from any number of toyotas, subarus, and nissans. At 1000 crank horsepower you will be shattering axles, especially if you are running slicks and an unsprung clutch.

beat me down?? wow you e-thugs are f**king comedians.^^^

"it will throw off the weight balance" - depending on what he wants to do with it, maybe. Proper suspension tuning can do miracles though, and my car is an RB25 swapped S12 coupe which I drift on a regular basis with NO complaints.

i6 vs v6(i did say do a rb didn't i. but it's youre car hey. it looks bad when you have a plan mapped out but using lame ebay turbos.

I'm not entirely sure what your argument was here, and the statement "I did say do a rb didn't i" really confuses me. As far as inline vs V configurations, and we can assume Nissan used a similar iron alloy in making the blocks, the VG is roughly 3/5 the length of the RB and slightly lighter. And when it comes to affecting the car's center of mass that affects it greatly. For drifting a lightweight chassis is preferred, however having grip in the front (be it with front biased weight, sticky compound tires, more supple suspension etc) will also help.

-dan