5.0 swap

[ilikenissan]

hey, my dad works at a junkyard and i found a mustang 5.0 tucked away behind all the weeds and it has a perfect 5.0 in it.. and i was just wondering what else would i need to put that in my 91 240 fastback?and would this be a smart move? cuz i was looking at the sr20 and then i found this and i can get it next to nothing. and it has potential for more HP then an sr20 am i right? let me know what you guys think..

[AllTurBo]

hope you have a big wallet, lots of patience, and lots of fabrication skills. If you are up to the challenge I'd say go for it. but if you don't know what you are doing I wouldn't even think about it.

and yes a 5.0 would have quite a bit more potential than an SR20

[240SXedUp]

Talk to Aries.It will take allllllllllllllot of money and patience. You have to do work to put an S14 SR in an S13 chassis. Think of the work youll have to do to fit a 5.0 Ford in your car.

[Cyberkreig]

You'd do better to find a mustang with a blown motor..

[TomsMR2]

if you have to ask.. you cant do it.

[Gregariousgreg]

if you have to ask.. you cant do it.

unless you have a lot of patience and/or a lot of money.

[ilikenissan]

well i decided to just buy the whole car and fix the right fender and drivers side door glass(i busted it out to get into the car).

[K1LLA916K]

ofcourse u can bro. anything is possible i mean if it doesnt end up fitting then u wud have to cut away possibly extend the chassis and wheelbase etc. but if aries can fit a 5.7 then im sure its much easier to fit a 5.0 and well i gotta give u a lotta props for just thinking about that. i would love to do that since im a domestic pony guy. just think of the possibilites. its endless. u could let the motor be worked on and 2 months later u could have a fully blown 308. my cousin did it. he burns z06s on lucky days with just his motor some work done to his suspension and major flowmasters. it cos him about 3700$ and he is putting out approximately 360 horses. go with the dream bro. im behind u.

[TurboKA37]

your better off just taking a 240sx body and putting it on a mustang chasis cause if u somehow got the engine to fit, the only thing that ud keep from the 240 is its body

[mattlord42]

Actually I remember reading a post somewhere that said that the guys at LCM have already developed a small block ford install kit. That would be a much cooler swap than a Chevy 350 in my opinion (then again I am a 5.0 freak).

Matt

[JJ240]

Aries already makes mounts to drop in the 302. I considered this swap myself, but only because I had the completely built 302 pushing 400HP already. Also mine was carbeurated so I wouldnt have to fumble with the ECU wiring. I would only consider this swap for an amatuer if you get a carbeurated engine. Then it just comes down to getting the driveshaft mated and picking up a nice locking differential to put that sick power to the ground PS: I gave up because I decided I wanted to stick with nissan and 350HP SR would be alot better daily driver. Not as much HP but at least I wouldnt have to deal with a shaky car and funny sounding cam lope

[K1LLA916K]

man if aries already makes the mounts then hella project. lets just say im gonna have a tricked out 302 in a 240sx body all naturally aspirated hittin low 12s at bout 5000$. i guess that would be reasonale enuff for me not to think twice. besides domestic engines are much easier and simpler to work with. not much headbanging ino technical stuff.

[WDRacing]

There are a ton of stand alones for really cheap nowadays, especially if your keeping it NA. If you have a whole mustang to source parts from and an ARC welder your golden. It'll just take some time to get everything balanced and running straight.

WD

[RobDET]

i have to disagree with that domestic motors are easier. They never ever think of giving you proper wrench clearence and the stupid washers always fall off the bolts... havn't poped my nissan motor swap cherry yet but i did do a honda and it was a PITA but it was so nice all the little things they thought of. (little cutouts for screwdrivers exc)

[98TURBOKA]

Sounds like a very costly project.

[cnichols]

Aries,

Let me know if you do in fact have the motor mounts and how much you are charging. I assume they've been tested and will clear with minor mods to the firewall? Are they adjustable at all?

Hit me up on AIM: midcnicholsor e-mail: [email protected]

[Ceptos]

i dont know the weight differences of the ka24 to the mustang's 5.0L, but would this have some type of affect on the handling of the car, making it a little front heavy? could this be counteracted with sway bar and dampening adjustments?

[574-240sx]

My friend is going to drop a 302 in after he blows his turbo KA. Concidering we have 2 complete 302s and a 350 sitting around. Nick

[cnichols]

Sell me one....one of the 302s that is.

[cnichols]

i dont know the weight differences of the ka24 to the mustang's 5.0L, but would this have some type of affect on the handling of the car, making it a little front heavy? could this be counteracted with sway bar and dampening adjustments?

I'll let Aries expand upon this when he sees it, but I am thinking that with the removal of A/C, battery relocation and aluminum heads on the 302, the weight shouldn't be affected that much.

And, like you suggested, I would think the multitude of suspension settings that is possible, something could be found to work....but I doubt anyone considering this swap is doing so to autocross. Most likely, they are thinking about drag racing.

[Ceptos]

heh, yeah good point on application of the car. i just cant imagine a 240 strictly for drag....born to zig-zag! =)

[cnichols]

Yeah, but when you can pick up a shell for $300 and it's lighter than a Fox body or SN95....it's hard to find a better option.

It's just plain kick A$$ to do something completely different like this.

[574-240sx]

Ok i'm sure we acually have 3-302s. 1 of them is carbrated and just got done tearing apart a 4 cylinder mustang frame. The other 2 are Fuel injection out of older town cars. The 2 fuel injection ones are being used for swaps in various vehicles. So far the carbed one is sitting in the mustang. nick

[BuudWeizErr]

if you have to ask.. you cant do it.

Heheh, lol. So true.

[240SXedUp]

Hey if you do it. Keep us posted. This thread is going no where.

[Aries]

if you have to ask.. you cant do it.

I agree completely. and to do a swap like that for less than $5k is NOT going to happen.

Yes, I do have the mounts. They are custom made by application, and the motor mounts without any modification to the existing firewall for a 5.0. The mounts are 4 way adjustable, and allow the motor to sit perfectly level (feel free to check this with a level on mine) within the engine bay for the best possible transmission mounting. Price on the mounts is $875. Not cheap, but custom pieces never are. My first set cost nearly 3 times that just to make and get right, so...

Te 5.0 would not eb able to have power steering or A/C. Ever. There is simply no room for the extra lines and condensor in the engine bay.

Also, the 5.0 weighs 78 lbs more than the stock KA, so you would need to do a lot of weight reduction on the front end to get your handling back. Not as simple as moving the battery and removing A/C. It actually weighs 21 lbs more than my LT1. Aluminum heads will help, but not by much as their weight is set so high in the car.

The Wiring harness is going to run you somewhere between $600 and $1200 because you don't ever use a ford factory harness when doing this as it will short out all of the Nissan equipment in the car. You will also need to dry sump the fuel tank, reinforce the frame in multiple locations, and get a quality rear differential. The stock diferential will crap out before you ever get the car on the street. Yes, even the stock LSD.

[cnichols]

As far as the mounts go....did you weld yours in or just bolt them up like factory? Wow...that is a little steep. But would save a lot of hassle.

No surprise on the power steering or A/C....wouldn't have A/C anyways...I'm not talking about a daily driver here so no big deal. Do you think it would be possible to use a Flaming River Quick Ratio setup somehow or too much work?

Again, not worried about weight ratio at all. This will be a drag car...that's all.

Already taken care of the wiring harness....came with the Holley Commander 950 that I have.

About the differential....I thought it might hold up for little while...what did you end up doing? Swap in a KAAZ, Cusco, Quaife, etc....???

[Aries]

RS200 from a skyline with a Ford Locker for all time posi. No noise, and good up to 1200 ftlbs.

The motor mounts are a bolt up and weld on combination.The bottom half welds to the stock motor mount location, and then the adjustable plate bolts to that. Then the top half of the mount bolts to the plate as well, and then to the motor in it's stock location.The best (and only) way we've done this is to install the mounts in our shop so that any changes needed can be made without having to play guessing games with K-Member placement and clearances.

[cnichols]

I could be mistaken, but I think JUN used a Cusco rearend on their HyperLemon Silvia and it held the ~700 hp SR (obviously a whole different motor w/ different torque specs) with stock axles, etc.

What would your opinion be with swapping in a KAAZ or Cusco LSD and calling it a day? Think it would last long?

Was anything changed in your rear end besides basically the pumpkin? I don't blame you if you don't want to go into detail.

[GatorS14]

There is supose to be a s14 5.0 around Gainesville florida.

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