4 more years!

[WDRacing]

I give this thread another 6 hours before lock.

Why is that? So far this thread has had some great on going conversations. Both Libs and Cons alike agree on many things.

[Marenta]

We all agree that entitlement spending has to be addressed. Where we all disagree is to what extent it has to be reformed.

I want to see EVERY entitlement program reformed. I also want to see the tax code reformed as well, since there are a lot of credits and loopholes that can also be seen as "entitlement." I know that congress has a hard time getting anything done, but if a simple family can balance a checkbook and maintain their finances, why can't people who went to college FOR that reason do it?

[WDRacing]

We all agree that entitlement spending has to be addressed. Where we all disagree is to what extent it has to be reformed.

I want to see EVERY entitlement program reformed. I also want to see the tax code reformed as well, since there are a lot of credits and loopholes that can also be seen as "entitlement." I know that congress has a hard time getting anything done, but if a simple family can balance a checkbook and maintain their finances, why can't people who went to college FOR that reason do it?

We don't disagree all that much on welfare/entitlement reform either. Just because my personal feelings lean towards the, IDGAF side of things, that's doesn't mean it would be my choice to use those same set of feelings as a template for reform. It's just my pov. I know we can't abandon welfare, that's retarded. What we can do is streamline it everywhere possible, attack fraud everywhere possible and reform how it can be used.

There are also thousands of pet projects and studies that blow money every day...and continue too, even though we're bankrupt. It appalls me to see how much we spend on utter crap while we have kids with no school books.

[hannibal]

Dont forget corporate welfare. We gotta stop giving money to huge corporations. That benefits no one, except their shareholders.

And we need to revisit campaign finance reform. I believe more money was spent this election cycle than ever. That money could do good things for people.

Put people before profits...

[Marenta]

And we need to revisit campaign finance reform. I believe more money was spent this election cycle than ever. That money could do good things for people.

I think Super PACs are HORRIBLE. But, there is one thing I will say.. all that election money really jump started the economy in the swing states. There was a lot of production and advertising. That employed people. Those billboards that were paid for by campaign money boosted that company's ability to pay it's people and provide work for them. I think the amount of money that was spent was outrageous, but, it didn't all go into the pockets of fat-cats.. it helped out a lot of communities by bringing in work.

[stebo0728]

Campaigning really does need to be addressed. I've tossed all sorts of ideas around in my head, even to the point of considering whether or not incumbents should even campaign. Maybe allow their PAC's to do it for them, but no direct campaigning, other than maybe a stump speech, and a few debates. But then I'm not sold on that, it seems the challenger would be a a great advantage there. Then I've thought, ok so the FCC gives out permits for airwaves, why not make that in exchange for free advertising. It used to be that 1 hour news was required, but that seems a bit outdated. Honestly, I think congressman should skip terms, so that they aren't faced with having to campaign while doing their job. But then I have a friend who's suggested ZERO campaigning, and instead, send out congressman duty notices, like jury duty. You get called up, you serve 2 years. That doesn't sound half bad really, but has problems too. But the fact is, it really does need addressing. You have claims superceding records, you have campaigning that NEVER really ends, everything is done in the scope of re-election, rather than whats best.

And then we have a voting system that's completely screwed up too.

This nation really needs a "come to jesus" meeting. Lots of things need fixing, everyone has a "plan" but no one likes anyone else's plan, and no one's willing to budge from their own plan. The table we're wrestling on top of is about to collapse.

[Marenta]

This nation really needs a "come to jesus" meeting. Lots of things need fixing, everyone has a "plan" but no one likes anyone else's plan, and no one's willing to budge from their own plan. The table we're wrestling on top of is about to collapse.

I wrestle with the same thing, there's no right or wrong way. Every election cycle something new comes up that pushes the boundaries and we ask ourselves these questions and there is rarely an answer. I think the most likely way to address it is for the moderates from every point of view need to get together and put something in place that might taste disgusting but works, like NyQuil.

[szh]

We all agree that entitlement spending has to be addressed.

I totally agree with you that entitlement spending has to be addressed.

But I am not sure that the "we all" part is accurate. Whether we are talking about everybody posting here, or the politicians making the stuff happen.

Particularly when it comes to ones like Pelosi, Feinstein and Boxer ... just to name the ones from my wonderful socialist state!

Where we all disagree is to what extent it has to be reformed.

I want to see EVERY entitlement program reformed. I also want to see the tax code reformed as well, since there are a lot of credits and loopholes that can also be seen as "entitlement." I know that congress has a hard time getting anything done, but if a simple family can balance a checkbook and maintain their finances, why can't people who went to college FOR that reason do it?

Also agreed.

Balancing the budget will take time (which is where I disagree with the tea-partiers who seem to want instantaneous results, as far as I can tell). But unless we begin the process ASAP, this problem will be just another one that we put off and off and off indefinitely (which is where I disagree with the Democratic partiers) ... till we fall off the cliff like Greece.

Z

[stebo0728]

Anyone hear lastest reading of the teleprompter today? Somebody really needs to program some new material into that thing.

[WDRacing]

You will be assimilated...

[davidoliva]

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[telcoman]

Well done GOP. Mission Accomplished.

Romney now emulating the 47%

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/20/tweeters- ... s-own-gas/

Telcoman