4.5 pgs of crap and FI vs NA +F1

[Bigvinnie]

I was thinking the same thing about the dyno, I know nothing about dyno's but that surel looks like alot of hp for such little rpm.

See for yourself look at the similarity. I defenitely can't be wrong about this one... 2005 ford mustang. Take into effect that they are being used on different dyno systems with slight inconsistency.Could be different tuning as well that shows variable inconsistency between the 2, but I would say dead on that dyno came from a ford V8. Pay close attention to the HP/Torque curve crossover..Do you ever watch myth busters??? I would say this myth is BUSTED!!
Modified by Bigvinnie at 4:55 PM 12/2/2006

[naed240sx]

See for yourself look at the similarity. I defenitely can't be wrong about this one... 2005 ford mustang. Take into effect that they are being used on different dyno systems with slight inconsistency.Could be different tuning as well that shows variable inconsistency between the 2, but I would say dead on that dyno came from a ford V8. Pay close attention to the HP/Torque curve crossover..

UMMMMMM lol . Nice try, but:

#1: The dyno that he posted looks nothing like that of a ford v8, or any v8 for that matter. The torque curve is totally different. V8s typically have very flat torque curves as illustrated by the dyno you posted. The graph he posted does not have a flat torque curve.

#2: lol at the curve crossover point. That point is at the same rpm level for ANY engine.

[Bigvinnie]

UMMMMMM lol . Nice try, but:

#2: lol at the curve crossover point. That point is at the same rpm level for ANY engine.

I know that on dyno's that the cross over is ALWAY's at 5252 RPM. It was illustarated where the trade off in power is. Look at where the torque numbers and HP numbers trade off at the 5252 RPM..... They are similar in comparison. Max Torque and HP isn't too different either.

[DjPantsSpecR]

vinnie jsut so you know, no sarcasm at all coming here.

first of all, most intelligent N/A builders already know this, but C-Kiwk said it first. NO ONE IS MAKING 200+ horse at 4000 rpm on an N/A KA. period. it takes serious revs to get those kinda figures. everyone knows this, i gotta agree, myth busted.

Vinnie, i know that you know a **** ton, and youre mustang theory is a good one, but with such a similarity to a KA curve, do you honestl think its that? its a really good theory, bu honestly here i think someone jsut got creative with the dyno numbers.....

but as far as horsepower and curves intersecting at 5252:

yeah, always... at least always when the dyno torque is scaled tot he same size as the horsepower on the opposite side. i remember thomas knight bringing up this point on a dyno someone else brought up, calling it fake. i lsot all credibility in him as an engineer, as he should be a little better at reading graphs....

3 pages, and this little **** who "builds 4 cyl race motors ALL DAY, got his wish. we're still bitching about how much bull it is.

[Bigvinnie]

Yeah your right 4 bangers need more inertia at higher RPM to make MAX torque..... It's not as flat as a V8, but still a nice theory and I was trying to be funny the whole time.....

[SPIRONIUM]

Strangely, this dyno turns me on everytime i look at it.. I don't know what it is anyone else feel me?

[nismofly]

[DjPantsSpecR]

lol, im happy someone finally caught that.

[nismofly]

actually ive known about the pic for a while....its the fact that he said he was turned on by it that scares me

[Bigvinnie]

If you use teh word pen15 as a scientific name, it would put everyone on safe ground. Which it does it looks like a pen15...

[SPIRONIUM]

hahhahaa i feel pretty gay for being the first one to notice the wang

[DjPantsSpecR]

ha you dont have too, its a well known dyno, its probably on almost every forum....

[neverlift]

more proff of slider the liar http://www.racetep.com/240sxna.html

210 at 10.5:1 and an *** load more done to the motor.

[sliders]

You need to read what theve done to the motor and read what ive done to mine. I have done more and dont forget we are running race gas not 93 pump. they are not running an aftermarket cam either and they didnt square deck the block. Damn some of you guys are stupid as hell saying theve done an assload more to their motor. Get a clue

[neverlift]

.040 overbore 10.5:1 JE Pistons

· Total-Seal Ring pack

· Race prepped stock rods with ARP bolts

· Detailed and Heat Treated crankshaft

· Lightened stock Flywheel

· Balanced and Blueprinted rotating assembly



· Race Ported, Flowed, CC’d Cylinder Head

· 3 Angle racing valve job with hand lap and back-cut

· Secondary Butterfly system removed.

· Intake manifold match ported.

· Throttle body opening enlarged for 65mm T/Body.

· Camshafts reground and indexed.

· Valves shimmed and adjusted.

· Heavy Duty Head Bolts.

· Felpro Gaskets

camshaft reground moron I'm sure they do it to your spec if asked. Oh wait you removed your skimpy build list. and just as you said they are on pump gas with no tuning. You tuned spent way more and have less even with your"proof", they used higher comp pistons and cc flowed the head did you? probably not. Wait you did not you bought after market stock c/r piston wtf? that is a waste if you have the cash to buy race gas. Make sense? You put race gas in a fairly low comp "race engine".I bet your timing was above 45*across the board. I can say I dont build race engines at a "fancy shop" but at least I can look myself in the eyes everyday and not puke.

[Florida240sx]

You need to read what theve done to the motor and read what ive done to mine. I have done more and dont forget we are running race gas not 93 pump. they are not running an aftermarket cam either and they didnt square deck the block. Damn some of you guys are stupid as hell saying theve done an assload more to their motor. Get a clue

List it then. With at least one pic of the engine bay. We can't tell what is inside of it, with all your secret measuremnets.... Also what ever happen to the dyno video???

[superDorifto]

why is he not banned yet? Weve got almost three plus pages clearly refuting your power claims, and all you ever answer back with is, "you guys are stupid, you guys are a bunch of morons..." all we ask for is a little proof. your dyno chart doesnt jive with waht your original claims were, you havent provided a single pic or a vid of your set up, and you still keep answerign back with the same negative crap. If you wanted to post your numbers and get a pat on the back then post some real proof. If however you want to continue to be an a$$ and benchrace about how your motor defies all conventional logic, then i suggest this thread gets locked, and you go away...

[neverlift]

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[sliders]

c-kwik you might want to go back and look at the dyno sheet before you open your mouth, on that run we hit 270hp and 288 torque .the printed numbers on the curve are what we hit at that rpm and the 273 is the torque at that rpm like i said before. after a little tuning we hit 273hp like i said from the beginning. the only reason i reply back with the words i use are because everyone started to get butt hurt because i wouldnt tell them what settings and exact specs that we did to the motor. I know this is a forum for people to help others WITH PROBLEMS but building an engine that can create alot of hp is not a problem and im not telling you how to do it for free. So be mad, think what you want to think trust me im not gonna loose any sleep over knowing that people are mad. Neverlift the list is still the first post, high comp pistons we change from what we had originally ,stock crank but oy hell yeah did it get alot of loven,arp rod bolts also,rods were worked over,intake work more than theirs,butterflys gone,head ported and polished and a 3 angle valve job which you do to all heads when rebuilding them,aftermarket cam, adj cam gear, square decked the block, complete balance from one end to the other including clutch assembly ,cc'd the head,larger injectors, larger fuel pump ,oh wait damn we forgot the gaskets and the rings damn arent we stupid i dont see how this thing is even running and you dont shim or adjust the valves on a ka24e motor so i guess they ****ed you for that , we have a larger t-body and port matched the intake and the exhuast ports, and you dont get torque from a lightened flywheel you loose it , so like i said before we did more to ours than they did and it only cost around 1,500 because we did it at our shop. Were did you get that= I bought after market stock c/r piston ? Did you hit the bong before you read any of this post, and what the hell is cc flowed the head ,you can cc a head and you can put it on a flowbench to see how much air it flows but cc flowed the head did you just make that one up thats pretty good i might have to use it one day.Yeah right .If your gonna try to bash someone atleast read the post before you open your mouth. Do you even know what blueprinting a motor is?

[SSS]

c-kwik you might want to go back and look at the dyno sheet before you open your mouth, on that run we hit 270hp and 288 torque .the printed numbers on the curve are what we hit at that rpm and the 273 is the torque at that rpm like i said before. after a little tuning we hit 273hp like i said from the beginning. the only reason i reply back with the words i use are because everyone started to get butt hurt because i wouldnt tell them what settings and exact specs that we did to the motor. I know this is a forum for people to help others WITH PROBLEMS but building an engine that can create alot of hp is not a problem and im not telling you how to do it for free. So be mad, think what you want to think trust me im not gonna loose any sleep over knowing that people are mad. Neverlift the list is still the first post, high comp pistons we change from what we had originally ,stock crank but oy hell yeah did it get alot of loven,arp rod bolts also,rods were worked over,intake work more than theirs,butterflys gone,head ported and polished and a 3 angle valve job which you do to all heads when rebuilding them,aftermarket cam, adj cam gear, square decked the block, complete balance from one end to the other including clutch assembly ,cc'd the head,larger injectors, larger fuel pump ,oh wait damn we forgot the gaskets and the rings damn arent we stupid i dont see how this thing is even running and you dont shim or adjust the valves on a ka24e motor so i guess they ****ed you for that , we have a larger t-body and port matched the intake and the exhuast ports, and you dont get torque from a lightened flywheel you loose it , so like i said before we did more to ours than they did and it only cost around 1,500 because we did it at our shop. Were did you get that= I bought after market stock c/r piston ? Did you hit the bong before you read any of this post, and what the hell is cc flowed the head ,you can cc a head and you can put it on a flowbench to see how much air it flows but cc flowed the head did you just make that one up thats pretty good i might have to use it one day.Yeah right .If your gonna try to bash someone atleast read the post before you open your mouth. Do you even know what blueprinting a motor is?

You type a lot of ****.

Post up a flow chart DEMONSTRATING that the heads will flow 300+cfm at less than 0.5" lift and then *maybe* we might start to believe your claims.

[sliders]

what to much for you to comprehend I dont remember asking for your comment . Go away

[TheOne]

3 pages later.......there's still no video with proof, we just want proof, that is all, just a dyno pic ain't gonna cut it as it could be any car.

[SSS]

what to much for you to comprehend I dont remember asking for your comment . Go away

I comprehend the workings of the internal combustion engine quite well.

I asked you no less than THREE times in this thread to post up flow results from your port work.

The fact that you are getting so defensive and immature means that you are flat out lying.

go back to toy cars, little child.

[neverlift]

wow he tried the piss out of sss. Its kinda funny he claims we get "butt hurt" wtf is that the game he and his friend at the shop play all day,bc they do *** work.He does not understand that cc flowing the head means just that you see how many cc of flow the head has. that is simple right? If IF he had done the work said then he would get it.

sss he can not understand an internal,he is a mindless puppet that apparently has a hand crammed so far up his anus that someone else is typing for him. "WE did this and WE did that" that sounds to me like he was just at a dyno one day or is the shop *****.

[new_to_drift]

wow u can seem to keep explaining to us how square decking the block is godly,how about u just show us a ****ing picture of the engine.

[InsanityInc]

c-kwik you might want to go back and look at the dyno sheet before you open your mouth, on that run we hit 270hp and 288 torque .the printed numbers on the curve are what we hit at that rpm and the 273 is the torque at that rpm like i said before. after a little tuning we hit 273hp like i said from the beginning. the only reason i reply back with the words i use are because everyone started to get butt hurt because i wouldnt tell them what settings and exact specs that we did to the motor. I know this is a forum for people to help others WITH PROBLEMS but building an engine that can create alot of hp is not a problem and im not telling you how to do it for free. So be mad, think what you want to think trust me im not gonna loose any sleep over knowing that people are mad. Neverlift the list is still the first post, high comp pistons we change from what we had originally ,stock crank but oy hell yeah did it get alot of loven,arp rod bolts also,rods were worked over,intake work more than theirs,butterflys gone,head ported and polished and a 3 angle valve job which you do to all heads when rebuilding them,aftermarket cam, adj cam gear, square decked the block, complete balance from one end to the other including clutch assembly ,cc'd the head,larger injectors, larger fuel pump ,oh wait damn we forgot the gaskets and the rings damn arent we stupid i dont see how this thing is even running and you dont shim or adjust the valves on a ka24e motor so i guess they ****ed you for that , we have a larger t-body and port matched the intake and the exhuast ports, and you dont get torque from a lightened flywheel you loose it , so like i said before we did more to ours than they did and it only cost around 1,500 because we did it at our shop. Were did you get that= I bought after market stock c/r piston ? Did you hit the bong before you read any of this post, and what the hell is cc flowed the head ,you can cc a head and you can put it on a flowbench to see how much air it flows but cc flowed the head did you just make that one up thats pretty good i might have to use it one day.Yeah right .If your gonna try to bash someone atleast read the post before you open your mouth. Do you even know what blueprinting a motor is?

So, explain how doing headwork and using an aftermarket cam keeps your powerband the same as stock? You could have at least made an excel dyno that was more plausable than a supposed 100+ftlb gain at the stock torque peak. That just doesn't happen.

The End.

(PS: people might take you more seriously if you had any concept of how to write something legibly.)

[Bigvinnie]

So be mad, think what you want to think trust me im not gonna loose any sleep over knowing that people are mad.

If I were you I would lose sleep over this. You are in a community full of people that don't believe you, and the fact is either the dyno is lying, or your lying, or both. Either way you put yourself in a bad position. Your English grammar is horrible ( so your not an engineer of any sort). Your Math is that of a 4th grade level (seeing that you can't explain in depth your own dyno and the numbers you made, or the fact that you can't even explain basic flow numbers).You can't even explain anything in depth, shows your own intelligence is below that of this forum. If I were you I would lose some sleep over this. The fact that you don't suffer from this thing called humility only further sets the example that you are full of crap and just don't care.

[daconkiftador]

wow he tried the piss out of sss. Its kinda funny he claims we get "butt hurt"

dude, he's hardcore, like waay hardcore..

we all better be scared, very scared

[blabla]

The grey curb going @ 273 is torque not HP

On top of that -- that looks a LOT more like a Turbo Dyno -- the expo shape is showing a bit.

And on top the name says dyno

[S0lid_Snake]

haha sliders, you sir, are a moron. this thread should be locked and or deleted so that new people to this forum dont think they can double their horsepower with some bolt on mods. NICO is for sharing of how to do mods, and what the modifications do for performance. you are just bragging about some bs numbers made with a car you probably dont own. That dyno sheet is probably off another site, the car is probably turbo, and you probably stole it. GTFO noob