4.5 pgs of crap and FI vs NA +F1

[neverlift]

hey sss I was trying to get him to come off some info on the c/r or the cam adjustment,but he wont tell its kinda like he dont know.

He guys I got 195hp on my gtech do I really have that much lol

[Ajax]

This would be somewhere in the vicinity of 330hp at the crank (17% drivetrain loss) which puts this amazing engine at over 130 hp per liter...I'm sorry man, but I still don't believe, not that my opinion should matter to you anyway.

[Bigvinnie]

I've seen and heard alot of whoppers in my day. Worked on KA's through Lseries engines for almost ten years, and I can tell you that dyno is faulty to anything of a KA24E.First you haven't reworked the engine management which is piss rich, and you still run stock ignition MAPS.Secondly you would have to surpass the level of Rebello Racing which built a $10,000 KA24E of that magnitude.Secondly Topline has built a fully bolt on KA24de with 210 crank HP and stock engine management.Your B.S doesn't cut it. Go away...

FYI I have had milled heads on naps motors, same as KAE's. Big woop dee F$$KING dooo dooo. Nothing to special about raisng the compression by shrinking surface area....


Modified by Bigvinnie at 5:11 PM 11/27/2006

[InsanityInc]

FYI I have had milled heads on naps motors, same as KAE's. Big woop dee F$$KING dooo dooo. Nothing to special about raisng the compression by shrinking surface area....

Come on now, Vinnie. Everyone knows that SQUARE DECKING (the caps means it's for reals, yo) the block is how you make the big power. Clearly everyone has just overlooked this.

I especially love how his MAD SECRET CAMS have managed to keep the powerband pretty much exactly the same, but just gain like 140 ft-lbs of torque.

The only way this guy isn't a giant bull**** artist is if the dyno operator ****ed up something fierce.

[sliders]

you know whats really funny is all the ones who get butt hurt when you dont tell them exactly what parts you use or what settings you use, and neverlift i dont know why the hell your even in here with your bolt-on-turbo. I cant believe people actually think you could get this power and still run factory igniton and fuel management( big vinnie) guys you make yourselves sound like complete idiots. If you cant make this power with your motor dont be all pissed off that we have. Ussil80 learn how to read a dyno chart before you open your mouth your an idiot. Neverlift go add more boost and ill still walk you.this post is dead.

[Bigvinnie]

Clearly everyone has just overlooked this.

I highly doubt any one has overlooked this. The KA has been around for how long now???? 17 years.....Then all of a sudden this thread comes around and the BIG freaking secret is that square decking is the key to unlock never before used HP??????When pigs fly out my A$$.If the KA were an FJ I would believe it. The FJ used a Fully counter weighed crank, along with $8000 in internal modifications to make 270HP. Now a production engine such as the KA with a half weighted crank is now achieving that??????

I'm beating my head right now I can't stand society anymore............

[BIGT94z]

you know whats really funny is all the ones who get butt hurt when you dont tell them exactly what parts you use or what settings you use, and neverlift i dont know why the hell your even in here with your bolt-on-turbo. I cant believe people actually think you could get this power and still run factory igniton and fuel management( big vinnie) guys you make yourselves sound like complete idiots. If you cant make this power with your motor dont be all pissed off that we have. Ussil80 learn how to read a dyno chart before you open your mouth your an idiot. Neverlift go add more boost and ill still walk you.this post is dead.

wow talk about making an *** of urself....bigvinnie knows more than ur giving him credit for and he brings up a good point....we should just all calm down and act like adults

[Bigvinnie]

Quote from modular fords.....

The process of “Square decking” a block is when you make both deck heights symmetrical to the centerline of the crankshaft. This then requires the crankshaft throws, connecting rods and piston pin heights all be indexed to insure they are all the exact same length. Generally this is too much work, and not cost effective for the average performance engine.

Not cost effective at all and in most production engines shows vary little results or gains.

[DjPantsSpecR]

show us a picture of your intake manifold. if you ownt show a picture of the motor, at least show this.

because i'd love to see an all motor intake manifold that has the exact same torque and horsepower curve, but more than doubles the torque. theres no chance of pulling this off with the stock manifold.

[TheOne]

all you showed is a pic of the dyno? where's a vid or even pics of the engine, it could be any other engine, for all i know that dyno could be of a mustang or something along those lines.

[SPIRONIUM]

Even if you did make that power, nobody here cares because you will not share what you did. There is no reason to post here just to brag, this forum is a resource of information to help fellow 240 owners. Please don't post this stuff anymore there is no point so go brag elsewhere, am i right guys?

[neverlift]

you know whats really funny is all the ones who get butt hurt when you dont tell them exactly what parts you use or what settings you use, and neverlift i dont know why the hell your even in here with your bolt-on-turbo. I cant believe people actually think you could get this power and still run factory igniton and fuel management( big vinnie) guys you make yourselves sound like complete idiots. If you cant make this power with your motor dont be all pissed off that we have. Ussil80 learn how to read a dyno chart before you open your mouth your an idiot. Neverlift go add more boost and ill still walk you.this post is dead.

Um I have a bolt on turbo you sir are stupid. That means I have so many posts you slap nut **** stick. You are on this forum lying to people who have fuct with the ka for many a years. We all know for facts that without 15 grand and more to r&d that **** aint happening. I have a 100whp and would own your lying ***.

Guys I'll be back with my dyno sheet that says I made 280hp

I was trying to believe you at first but then realized, BS.

[S13Coupe]

The only possible way that I can see you getting these numbers on an NA KA is if you bought that stroker kit, bored the **** out of it, and then used a p.o.s. Dynojet.

[Dark-Hawk]

Bull**** to no end. It's sad you feel the need to come onto a car forum and lie about what you've done.There is absolutely no way you achieved 40whp by square decking the block. I've completely dismantled the intake manifold on the E as well and there is NO WAY those numbers are even slightly possible with the stock manifold with just the butterflies removed. Go back to playing Halo 2 with your Middle School friends buddy, no on here is going to believe you especially without posting any information on your engine.

[neverlift]

I want to know what dyno shop that is! I would go a thousand miles on eway to get on it. I bet I'm putting down like 200 whp Seriosly tho you might have been hustled,how much did you pay them to do the work/tuning? Oh wait I bet it was on a homemade dyno that just had a dynojet sticker on that *****. You know kinda like the honda's with gtR badges.

[Mortigi Tempo]

You know kinda like the honda's with gtR badges.

Thats signature worthy man, Signature Worthy.

[superDorifto]

here you guy go, proof that youre full of crap. i dont care what you did to the motor, NA it is IMPOSSIBLE to eek 270hp at only 9.5 to 1 comp.....period, the rest of your mods are irrelivent and you need to grow up and not get all butthurt when you start making up stuff and people call you out for it. This is nico, and we HELP each other, you dont wanna do that then go join zillvia of FA....

heres the text from an eailer post where you leak the specs of your super uber secret KA project.....mild street cam+9.5 to1=BS

zerothread?id=126913

[Dark-Hawk]

hah wow, 9.5:1 would be slightly higher than what I'd use for a FI setup.

[neverlift]

/\ that be doriftowned fool. I honestly dont give a **** if he had it up to 11:1 270whp is a ton NA for a I4, possible yeah but this guy did not do it. He can show me a thousand and 2 dyno sheets from that motor. Long as its at that shop he is fine the next shop will show him the truth.

Mortigino problem truth hurts sometimes.

[BIGT94z]

there is no way to get those numbers with 9.5:11 pistons what a fraud the truth has come out

[InsanityInc]

I highly doubt any one has overlooked this. The KA has been around for how long now???? 17 years.....Then all of a sudden this thread comes around and the BIG freaking secret is that square decking is the key to unlock never before used HP??????When pigs fly out my A$$.If the KA were an FJ I would believe it. The FJ used a Fully counter weighed crank, along with $8000 in internal modifications to make 270HP. Now a production engine such as the KA with a half weighted crank is now achieving that??????

I'm beating my head right now I can't stand society anymore............

I believe your sarcasm detector requires calibration.

[lofapoo]

People have problems getting 200 WHP out of a N/A KA (mainly because it would take a lot of ****ing money and a whole lot of work), your claims of 270 aren't even worth arguing, because we know you're full of crap. You posted a dyno sheet, and we're supposed to believe you off of that? Where's pics and vids of the car, motor, dyno?

Ohhh, right, you don't have any

[neverlift]

Well this is from slider in the above link for the 56k or lazy.

slider"allright guys and gals .Will be posting some pics soon of build-up so you can take alook at. Mods allready done include port and polish of head, 3 angle valve job,along with resurface and alittle extra takin off the head for a little more go........ new valvetrain along with mild street cam, and adj. cam gear........ Bottom end- new crank, reconditioned the rods(nothing wrong with them just freshen them up) .030 over pistons at 9.5 to 1 i belive cant remember been months since i built the bottom end. Ofcourse the all important task called SQUARE DECKING....for those not aware of this process keep reading ill explain it in another topic really soon. Intake mods like everyone else, damn the butterfly...ported and gasket matched...no polishing of intake just exhaust side of head....inside a 1990240sx.. like i said before ill get pics for you to see really soon so until then keep that s*** sideways for gods sake,,,damn the straight line thats for bowling.. late"

If he used 9.5:1 and got 270 then all the guys that have sohc pistons in thier dohc motors are runing 10.5~11:1 with basic bolt ons are at about 300whp. WOW the ka is now a honda d15b7

I lie,you lie,we all lie! but the line to the lying has to be drawn,so I will help you out. no more lies from now\/____________________________________________________________

[pregmantis]

I dont see how trueing the deck can get you hp unless your using it to gain(prob very little on this motor) comression, but sounds bass ackwards since you should spec your pistons for that. big vin prob knows the real answer to this ...but I dont think there is a secret cam sprocket/bushing special stting for this motors cam. surely one certiain setting will get the most hp, but on the possibly 8 deg range of settings you prob goin to get 10 hp(maybe) variance? i wont hold a secret for 10hp. guess what im trying to say is if you wanted to keep a secret... keep a secret of the real power makers(comp,cam etc not the the cam setting)

[nismo_power]

BUSTED

[Bigvinnie]

I believe your sarcasm detector requires calibration.

I know man. I was agreeing with you it was like double sarcasm (alittle from you, and a little from me). English text is so freakin hard to understand... Damn it.... Freakin text.....LOL the sarcasim detector now thats a good one I should use that on someone nextime.....I was just trying to add to your sarcasm a bit.

Besides I thought the majority of square decking was done on V6 and V8 engines???? I don't see why it would even be neccesary on a common inline 4 or 6 banger.... Most square decking is done to even compression, not raise it. It is also used for push rod design engines so that there is even symetrical lift for every valve to corect any awkward symetry from a casted block, even semetry for the entire internal assembly as well. In the case of the KA square decking is not needed. KA uses a cross flow head design, that already delivers a perfect flame front. It also runs on a lifter assembly which means no use of push rods. Same condition as for the KA24de which uses bucket style hydraulics. Even in the condition of milling the head isn't to recomended either since you only bring the valves closer to TDC. We would be talking of fractions of mm under .030, any more milling than taht and you would have to use a cam with less lift/duration.Most work that does get done on inlines is milling heads and also clover leaf welding...... Last I recall the 1989 KAE pistons are raised above the deck hiegth, the dish is raised .020mm so I don't even know how that would be possible to square deck a block that doesn't need it.... Square decking is most commonly used on V shaped engines because one deck heigth can be slightly off from the other showing a small indifference in compression ratio from one head or the other. In other words in all my experience I have seen no reason to ever square deck an inline engine. The only time I have seen it done on inlines are on warped or cracked blocks, but then again if I had to take the time to magnuflux a block to find a crack I would be pissed and wouldn't care to deck it anyways.

Please leave this forum sliders you lose... Big time.... Any one who has common sence on engine building knows you are a FRAUD In the process of calling me an idiot with rambling of your non sence, you have no F#$KING clue what square decking really is....


Modified by Bigvinnie at 5:00 PM 11/28/2006

[sliders]

I cant believe you guys are still crying about this. Please keep typing about this . I want to hear actually i dont care .....

[sliders]

vinnie you like to just type alot so everyone thinks you know what your talking about ,but square decking is not used to even symmetrical lift ,you sir are an idiot. Do you work at an engine machine shop probably not seeing how your a contractor. I do and we build race engines all day long for boats ,circle track cars; and we build 4 cylinder race motors. the only reason to square deck a block is to gain power by increasing the cr and dumbass why would you do anything to a cracked block but throw it away that shows how ignorate you really are. I didnt post this to have some contractor come on and think he knows everything ,go clean my driveway then repaint my house you ****ing *****.
Modified by sliders at 3:27 AM 11/29/2006

[JNM240]

What everyone here seems to be forgetting is that his 273 horsepower is CANADIAN horsepower!! Just like their currency, you need to convert it to US specs. So converting to standard horsepower we get an actual horsepower rating in the 175-180 range.

So i believe him....

[Bigvinnie]

vinnie you like to just type alot so everyone thinks you know what your talking about ,but square decking is not used to even symmetrical lift ,you sir are an idiot. Do you work at an engine machine shop probably not seeing how your a contractor. I do and we build race engines all day long for boats ,circle track cars; and we build 4 cylinder race motors. the only reason to square deck a block is to gain power by increasing the cr and dumbass why would you do anything to a cracked block but throw it away that shows how ignorate you really are. I didnt post this to have some contractor come on and think he knows everything ,go clean my driveway then repaint my house you ****ing *****.

Modified by sliders at 3:27 AM 11/29/2006

How old are you kiddo????? If the name of the shop is the one you work at in that dyno chart I will defenitely make shure not to waste my valuable time with your ignorance.
Modified by Bigvinnie at 11:00 PM 11/28/2006