Will the 350z engine fit in the 240sx.
im thinking of engine swapping in the near future because my ka24e is dieing on me.
i was thinking of sr but that's illegal in California.
any imput or recommendtions of other legal and powerful engine is a plus.
350z Engine in 240sx
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Any engine newer than yours is legal to be swapped into your car as long as all the emissions equiptment is kept intact.
It would be perfectly legal(just like a VG30DETT swap), but talk about a PITA. You better *REALLY* know what you are doing and have plenty of money and time to do something like that.
In short - for the average person it's just not going to happen.
It would be perfectly legal(just like a VG30DETT swap), but talk about a PITA. You better *REALLY* know what you are doing and have plenty of money and time to do something like that.
In short - for the average person it's just not going to happen.
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This may sounds like blasphemy, but with the proper engine mounts, a ford 302 v8 will fit, probably requires the same amount of fabrication, but the price of the engine will be a whole lot less. Just make sure you get a cobra engine, Ford used better parts in it than the GT.
This is all 2nd hand knowledge, so your mileage may vary. A welder I know in Round Rock wants to do a 302 swap into a 240sx hatch as a project. From the stuff I've seen him do, he probably can.
This is all 2nd hand knowledge, so your mileage may vary. A welder I know in Round Rock wants to do a 302 swap into a 240sx hatch as a project. From the stuff I've seen him do, he probably can.
Silviapower wrote:No matter wat its illegal.
U can lower the emission on the SR or any engine by tuning it properly , the use of a good CAT and other stock parts.
Swaps are legal if:
- The engine is from the same year or newer
- The engine is from vehicle in the same class (you can't take a truck engine and put it in a car)
- The engine has to be sold in the United States
- All smog equip. must stay intact. Your vehicle must also meet emissions standards for that year (IE, put in a 2004 350Z engine, your 199x 240SX must meet 2004 emissions standards)
- If the car was built to meet CA emissions only a CA certified engine can be swapped into it. If the car meets US emissions standards you can swap a US or CA certified engine into it. (Something like that anyways.. I don't remember exactly what I was told)
But anywho, I tried to do some trickery and failed.. there are no friggin loop holes
I was talking to a girl @ CARB and asked a couple questions.. I told her the USDM SR20DE is sold as FWD in the Infiniti G20s, and there are carb legal turbo kits for it.. The only difference would be that an SR20DE from Japan would be RWD for my car.
She was like yeah, no. Even though it's basically the same, the layout is changed and it was never sold in the US or CA with that configuration..
Damnit! I shall continue trying to find a loophole.
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Quote »Why not a B13 rotary, with turbo, and pistons and headers and all that[/quote]
That is hilarious..pistons!? A header with a turbo!?...ha hah man thats great comedy....
Anyway, 007jpang, if you really do nut-up and do the swap, I am pretty sure that you are going to have to with a stand alone engine management system. The 350Z uses a very complex engine control system that would not work if it was pulled from the Z (or it would take a huge amount of work to get it to run right). It uses multiplexing and CAN-BUS data transfer methods to control everything on the engine.I say get a haltech, a cable-operated throttle body, and make a custom wiring harness and go to town.But there are better engine swaps out there, the only reason I see anyone going this route is to claim the "I did it first!" prize.SO get started and go max out those credit cards!good luck
That is hilarious..pistons!? A header with a turbo!?...ha hah man thats great comedy....
Anyway, 007jpang, if you really do nut-up and do the swap, I am pretty sure that you are going to have to with a stand alone engine management system. The 350Z uses a very complex engine control system that would not work if it was pulled from the Z (or it would take a huge amount of work to get it to run right). It uses multiplexing and CAN-BUS data transfer methods to control everything on the engine.I say get a haltech, a cable-operated throttle body, and make a custom wiring harness and go to town.But there are better engine swaps out there, the only reason I see anyone going this route is to claim the "I did it first!" prize.SO get started and go max out those credit cards!good luck
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Honestly, I think the 350Z swap is a great idea. It's all aluminum, versus cast iron for the KA. It shouldn't weigh that much more. If you relocate the battery to your trunk, you should be able to keep most if not all of your handling. Also, the newer engines get killer gas mileage. My uncle has a Maxima, manual transmission, and drives it to death, still gets somewhere in the mid-20's. I have a base 1996 w/5-speed. I hardly ever break 20mpg, and I don't race my car. Neither do any others I know around here. I love the idea of naturally aspirated cars. I just love them more than turbos. The horsepower to weight ratio with the 350Z engine matches Camaro Z28's. Think of the fun you'll have. I looked at the engine bays of various cars and the 350z is small, I think smaller than the 240. If you do want to do this swap, I wouldn't recommend the 350Z engine, but another VG35DE.
Here's a list of cars the have the VQ35, and their years: Pathfinder - 2001+ Altima - 2002+ Maxima - 2002+ Infiniti I35 - 2002+ Murano - 2003+ 350Z - 2003+ Inifiniti G35 - 2003+ Quest (THE MINIVAN DAMMIT!) - 2004+
I would recommend looking at junkyards for rear ended models, especially the Maxima's as they tend to be cheap and available. I saw an Altima VQ35 on EBay a month or so back for $800 Buy-It-Now price, full accesories.
For transmissions, the Pathfinder has a 5-speed for a year or so, but the 350Z would be the best in my opinion. You still have to consider driveshaft and differential, the 350Z has a good one.
Good luck with the labor costs, I am lucky enough to have an "off-duty" mechanic around that would do it cheap, prolly $2000 or so for the install. Ask around your area, many mechanics like to make money under the table, and since it doesn't take away from shop business, pretty willing.
I was thinking of doing this swap before reality kicked my butt into submission, with school and all needing $$$ x infinity.
Here's a list of cars the have the VQ35, and their years: Pathfinder - 2001+ Altima - 2002+ Maxima - 2002+ Infiniti I35 - 2002+ Murano - 2003+ 350Z - 2003+ Inifiniti G35 - 2003+ Quest (THE MINIVAN DAMMIT!) - 2004+
I would recommend looking at junkyards for rear ended models, especially the Maxima's as they tend to be cheap and available. I saw an Altima VQ35 on EBay a month or so back for $800 Buy-It-Now price, full accesories.
For transmissions, the Pathfinder has a 5-speed for a year or so, but the 350Z would be the best in my opinion. You still have to consider driveshaft and differential, the 350Z has a good one.
Good luck with the labor costs, I am lucky enough to have an "off-duty" mechanic around that would do it cheap, prolly $2000 or so for the install. Ask around your area, many mechanics like to make money under the table, and since it doesn't take away from shop business, pretty willing.
I was thinking of doing this swap before reality kicked my butt into submission, with school and all needing $$$ x infinity.
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240SXer wrote:If the cali smog laws wern't so dumb I'd have an EGR and a CAT and wouldnt be poluting like a mother! But since I screwed either way screw smog.
Yup wat i said, No matter wat engine its ILLEGAL in california.
There is no other engine from nissan available for this class of car.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------How about the QR25DE they said its good to turbo wat u guys think?
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cory2081 wrote:How in the world are they going to know what engine you have? They gonna run the serial # and make sure you are telling the truth?? There arent any shops that take $20 under the table?? I could put a 502 in my 240 with straight headers here in SC.....LOL. If only it would fit!!
There is a thing called PHOTO COPY of the original motor fax to the police car.
and what are u talking about?lol, they actually check your engine? lmao, I can see a Cop now "Son, is that a SR20DET you have there? You know this is illegal right?" I'm so glad that I dont live there.
What am I talkin about?? you mean the 502?? Yeah, it's a big block V8.....wouldnt fit anyway unless I did some hardcore cutting on the chassis or made a tubular front end. But, just making the point that you can do whatever you want here. There's a few Miatas rollin around with 5.0s and one that I know of with a Chevy 327. I know of a few SR powered 240s, and tons of Hybrid Hondas. Hondas are an infestation here.
I say go for it, if you have the money, you should be able to make that engine work in the 240. It just may take a long time to get it right
What am I talkin about?? you mean the 502?? Yeah, it's a big block V8.....wouldnt fit anyway unless I did some hardcore cutting on the chassis or made a tubular front end. But, just making the point that you can do whatever you want here. There's a few Miatas rollin around with 5.0s and one that I know of with a Chevy 327. I know of a few SR powered 240s, and tons of Hybrid Hondas. Hondas are an infestation here.
I say go for it, if you have the money, you should be able to make that engine work in the 240. It just may take a long time to get it right
cory2081 wrote:How in the world are they going to know what engine you have? They gonna run the serial # and make sure you are telling the truth?? There arent any shops that take $20 under the table?? I could put a 502 in my 240 with straight headers here in SC.....LOL. If only it would fit!!
Cop: is that a turbo *looks at book*
You: Duhhhh
Cop: Your car should have a 2.4 liter NA DOHC motor
you: duhhhhhhhhh
Cop: Well, better go to the smog ref and let them figure all this out.
you: duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You = ****ed.
Then again, you can make it look pretty stock (mine does), cops are stupid and only know how to look for things like intakes. But even if they bust you for intake you're probably not in good shape since you have to take it in to get written off.
Silviapower wrote:Yup wat i said, No matter wat engine its ILLEGAL in california.
How about the QR25DE they said its good to turbo wat u guys think?
You're a dumb a$$. Read what I said. They aren't ALL illegal, so don't say "no matter wat" (it's what btw) if you don't know what you're talking about.