3000 or 300

[nissanrcer240]

well , im looking for a new car and i was looking at the 3000gt's and the 300zx's , and the twin turbo models have the same horse power, with the exception of the newer 3000gt t/t wich 320 h/p, but as far as the old ones go, the horsepower is the exact same, so does anyones maybe know which one is faster or "better", or have any experience with both of the cars, i want to know so i know which car to ask my grandma for when christmas time rolls around( you never know when she might actually take me seriously). i would appreciate any of you experienced "club" members advice( i guess this is a "club"). but anyways, thanks

[psyclone69]

The 3000GT's engines aren't worth a crap, they have bad valve train that'll already be chattering, cost over a grand to fix, theyre a pain in the *** to work on, a tune up will run you about 800, it's all wheels drive but, but the 6spds don't handle hp very well, and they fall apart. I did my research a couple of years ago when looking to buy one.

[UncleBen]

redrocket had a TT stealth i think, maybe 3000gt, whatever, they are the same thing. he loved it, but put like 2 or 3 new transmission's in it.

[ninjak84]

I only read the first line of your post, but my vote will always be for the 300zx.Maybe it's the sleek styling, the legendary engine, or the heritage behind the letter Z, but something about that car has me for life.

[APEXi240]

3000gts are very high maintance. There are two "tuned" ones in my town...they require a lot of work, and as 95silvia and psyclone said...they really don't like their trannies...they blow VERY frequently.

[y3llows14]

I read somewhere the price to fix the transmission cost like 7k or something.

[SRJesse]

I have driven a 3000gt VR4 (awd turbo version). It had an intake and upgraded exhaust. It was very VERY fast, but as everyone else said they are high maintance and the trannys go. My friend has a 93 stealth and the same thing is wrong now, the damn transmission feels like hes got a super shift kit installed. He wont even be hitting the gas hard and it will slam into second gear and chip the front wheels. ROFL.

Anyway, I know this is a Nissan club and you will get alot more opinions towards the 300zx. I personally would get a 300zx just because it is a nissan and I love the look, plus they hold there value very well. Nissan is known for its reliability and the 300zx is certainly a fast/fun car to own. Go buy a 300zx TT if you could find one, cause getting a stock 300zx would be just wasting your time/money.

The AWD part of the 3000gt might be fun and tempting to have, but not worth all the money and hassels in the long run. 300zx TT all the way!

Good Luck and happy hunting.

~Just my two cents :ylsuper

[boileralum00]

Well, I'll throw in my $.02 as a Z32 TT driver. I love my car to death, but it is not a low maintenance car, especially as you begin to go beyond the BPU level (my mod list is a mile long, I am ~SGP Stage IX+). I highly recommend to all potential Z owners that they get a beater as their first mod, because it will definitely be needed during the course of ownership. Just wanted to give a realistic opinion in light of the bad stories everyone is telling about the 3000GTs.

[jemil118]

Hey Boiler,What year/color/mileage does your car have?I would love to trade my car in for a tt, but it is just too expensive.What type of fuel injectors do you have? 555 or 745? What type of Turbos?Did SGP do any of your work?I love my Z even though its an NA, but I wish it was a little faster!

[nissanrcer240]

the 3000gt s are AWD and AWS by the way but, if the maintance is as high as you say it is i dont think itll be worth it , even a 300z sounds less tempting after hearing some of you talk , guess ill just put my money into my 240, or get a newer 240.

[Exar-Kun]

300zx, and take the ****ing HICAS system out. the 300zx weighs less than the 3000gt(by like 400 lbs...) and is a much more friendly tack car(but its still heavy). the AWD system on the 300GT will inevitably break, allong with the transmission. good luck coming up with 5k on short notice.

anyways, the downfall of the 300zx is the engine layout, the turbo orientation is great till about 450hp..then it starts limiting your ability to add larger turbos and such...

anyways, go 300zx, and take the HICAS out, because HICAS sucks in racing.-chet

[northstar ninja]

ive talked to a couple 3000gt owners and theyre a ***** to fond aftermarket parts for... mitsu drivetrains in general are garbage from what ive heard from alot of people... ive looked at a couple 300zx b4 i decded to save a lil dough and get a 240, and they all drove pretty nice, although everyone said that finding replacement parts isnt fun... then again finding (cheap) replaceent parts for my car wasnt fun either.... just my $.02

[red240ne]

3000gt's weigh helluva lot, they feel like driving a formula 1 firebird or something, b/c they're so heavy, and awd isn't as fun to drive to me. it's more fun having the force kick you in the rear. you don't slide around with AWD either. Z cars are sexy!

[SLIMMY240]

both are good and bad to me.

3000gt vr4 has good as handling with the AWS system and the bottom front spoiler that opens as you increase sppen to provide more downforce, but its high maitnance, and all mitsubishi's are known for burning oil badly, and basically what everyone else said.

the 300zx tt is a good car, weighs less, has alot of power and torque, and pretty good handling as long as its dry. but its a pain in the *** to work on because its so packed under the hood, also when you start doin engine mods one of the first things you need to do is run a better cooling sytem, the stock one will start to suck after you put a few engine mods on it.

i love both cars, but i'd choose my 240 over both of them any day.

[Team503]

I would suggest an FD, but I don't think that'd be wise. From the sound of it, if I were you, I'd look at an FC, SR20/CA18 swap, or something along those lines.

[redrocket]

ok I have had a 94 3000 base model and a 94 model stealth R/T TT which is the same as the vr4 i bought the base model with 112K on it drove it till it had 134K and loved it the only problem I had with it was the clutch replace it and never had a probel now the stealth was a different story very fast I could kill most F-bodys in Jackson and so most never played with me but the problem with the car mainly is the trannies and the transfer cases I'm not going to get into any details but i spent 8500 on the transmission alone and the guy i sold the car replaced the transmission two more times My best suggestion is read up more on both of the cars go to http://www.3si.org and read some of the posts there it is a great website and the guys are always willing to help

[APEXi240]

I think an FD is a good option over both the 3000gt and the 300zx.

Boiler said it. ZXs aren't unbreakable, they too require a good amount of maintance. If you want maintance free (well close to it) get a 240 in good condition.

[wingzero]

My best friend just got a 91 300zxtt. I love that car, I drove it a couple of times since he got it, damn fast, good handling, sleek and sweet-*** styling, great aftermarket following, what more could you ask for? Plus, 3000gts are impossible to find parts for, the fastest one I ever saw is the one I own in GT3. Go with the z.

[stickgoat]

300s are amazing. The interior just hugs you and begs you to drive. Exterior styling hooks you immediately and doesn't let your eyes go. And that engine....

And as someone else mentioned, the fantastic heritage behind the Z cars.

Yeah. I want one too.

[Lavondyss]

Your suggesting he get an fc3s? And put a c18det in there? Why the hell would he want to do that. The 2nd gen turbo II's are bad ***, and the rotary motors are sweet as hell. But they are a money pit, unless you have experience with them.

Between the two, 300zx all the way. But I wouldn't choose either personally. All I hear from the Z guys in Houston, is "Love the car, wish I would have known it was going to be this expensive to work on."

Do not get a 3000gt vr4. If you want a sweet car to tune, best choice, is to follow what the guys in Japan do. Or if you want a panty dropper, don't follow them.

This is MY opinion, and mine only. I in no way think everyone should agree with me. And this is for panty dropping status, and performance options mixture.Good Car choices:

Acura NSX (Duh, hope your rich)MKIV Toyota Supra TT (Bad MOFO)3RD Gen RX-7 FD3S (Hope you live in a big city)95+ 240sx SE92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD (Black on Black - Hope you live in Houston)

If you don't care about panty dropping b.s., then go with:91-93 240sx85-87 Corrolla GT-S Liftback (AE86 Sprinter Baby!)88 CRX HF (1800lbs, and TONS of options)FC3S Turbo II RX-7Mitsubishi Starion/Conquest ESIR (hehehehe)Subaru Impreza (AWD + EJ20 swap)Early 80's Supra/Celica... A nice 1jz would make it fly...

There's alot of cars out there... Just do lots of research before you buy. I'm going with a 91-93 240sx for my next project, my roomate is going with the ae86. We don't need cars for p***y.

Thanks,Charles Weller

[Teaneck]

Go Z car! that said I hope you have a a fat check book. Love Z's own a Z ('76).... will not buy a Z32; Can't afford repairs.... my two best friends own Z32's, they are why I own a 240... I equate the Z32 to South Beach... great place to visit, fun, fast, sexy but you have to go home before you become broke! Don't know anything about VR4's except they look too much like an F-Body to me.Don't limit yourself to only two kinds..... good luck.

[Team503]

Your suggesting he get an fc3s? And put a c18det in there? Why the hell would he want to do that. The 2nd gen turbo II's are bad ***, and the rotary motors are sweet as hell. But they are a money pit, unless you have experience with them.

Nope, that's why I said "or". I suggested the FC because it's a RWD factory turbo platform, and FCs are infinitely more reliable than FDs. And they're a money pit even if you DO have experience with them.

Trust me, I've owned three FDs.

Quote »Between the two, 300zx all the way. But I wouldn't choose either personally. All I hear from the Z guys in Houston, is "Love the car, wish I would have known it was going to be this expensive to work on."

Do not get a 3000gt vr4. If you want a sweet car to tune, best choice, is to follow what the guys in Japan do. Or if you want a panty dropper, don't follow them.

This is MY opinion, and mine only. I in no way think everyone should agree with me. And this is for panty dropping status, and performance options mixture.[/quote]I pretty much agree with that - neither choice is a good "starter" supercar, but the Z32 is the better of the two.

Quote »Good Car choices:

Acura NSX (Duh, hope your rich)MKIV Toyota Supra TT (Bad MOFO)3RD Gen RX-7 FD3S (Hope you live in a big city)95+ 240sx SE92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD (Black on Black - Hope you live in Houston)

If you don't care about panty dropping b.s., then go with:91-93 240sx85-87 Corrolla GT-S Liftback (AE86 Sprinter Baby!)88 CRX HF (1800lbs, and TONS of options)FC3S Turbo II RX-7Mitsubishi Starion/Conquest ESIR (hehehehe)Subaru Impreza (AWD + EJ20 swap)Early 80's Supra/Celica... A nice 1jz would make it fly...[/quote]NSX: The best overpriced car that could've been. Doesn't compete with an FD or MKIV, why bother? Also impossibly expensive to purchase, maintain, and modify ($10,000 for a Comptech blower!)MKIV/FD: Both badass cars, the recommended platforms for this type of thing. You're not going to find a decent MKIV for less than $20,000, and you're not going to find an FD worth buying for less than $16,000. Both cars, however, will quickly kill a driver with little highpower, RWD experience. Especially the FD.S14/Talon: Excellent suggestions - turbo power, RWD or AWD, inexpensive to purchase, easy to maintain, and huge aftermarket support. Also inexpensive to insure.

S13/AE86/Turbo II/CRX: Also excellent suggestions, if you can find one, which is the hard part given their recent popularity.

Quote »There's alot of cars out there... Just do lots of research before you buy. I'm going with a 91-93 240sx for my next project, my roomate is going with the ae86. We don't need cars for p***y.

Thanks,Charles Weller[/quote]

I wholeheartedly agree - research is important - DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! Get what YOU want, not what's popular or anything else. If you don't, you'll regret it.

[Lavondyss]

I must have misunderstood your previous post.

I completely agree with the NSX statement. The only reason it was on the top of the list... Was the pull it has on women. That, and it outhandle's most stock ferrari's. But hey. Like you said. I can hardly rub two pennies together, let alone mod an nsx.

Thanks,Charles Weller

[redrocket]

3000gts are impossible to find parts for

you just have to know where to look http://www.dynamicracing.com check out some of his vids and see the power this guy can get with a few mods its amazing

[wingzero]

oops, my bad. I guess there is some stuff out there, its just that I've only personally seen only one tricked out 3000gt, which was at a car show. I know like 2 guys who have them and asked why they didn't work on them and they just said parts were hard to come across. I guess not........

[S14Zilvia]

Ask this same question on twinturbo.net, see the replies you get It won't be pretty. AshsZ hates dsms...

I'm going to come right out with it... the Z is just a better car for the money.

I owned a twin turbo with 138k miles on stock turbos, boosted like the day it came from the factory, compression was way over the average for those miles too. transmission was also fine.

In looks the Z wins hands down.

Z weighs less.

3si's are unpredictable... ever seen one run at the track?

At stage 3 (intake, exhaust, ecu) which lots of the 240 guys have already, the z will be putting down around 340 hp at the wheels... 405 or so fwhp. This is for around 1200 dollars plus the cost of the maybe 8k car.

I may be a bit biased... but Z's just own :ylsuper

[nissanrcer240]

yeah all good points, just for the ones who told me to do my own research, i ve been doin alot of research and dont plan to buy a car from the word of somebody over the internet , just like to hear ideas from other people so i can do research on those ideas if it sounds good. thanks for all the input anyways, appreciate it

[jemil118]

At stage 3 (intake, exhaust, ecu) which lots of the 240 guys have already, the z will be putting down around 340 hp at the wheels... 405 or so fwhp. This is for around 1200 dollars plus the cost of the maybe 8k car.

What you're thinking of is the 396 Power Package from JWT. It includes the intake(16 hp), exhaust(20 hp), ecu(remaps fuel curve, removes rev limiter, allows for higher boost), and boost jets(brings boost up to 13 psi from stock 8 psi--60 hp). This is all for 1500 dollars. Brings the hp from 300 to 396. It is very popular among the masses at tt.net

[nissanrcer240]

ok so i think from this forums point of view, the 300z is the 'better' car right, is that meaning its faster also(keep in mind were taling the Twinturob models), havent really mentioned speed or maybe i havent read thourouly enough, any fact input on that on that.

[S14Zilvia]

What you're thinking of is the 396 Power Package from JWT. It includes the intake(16 hp), exhaust(20 hp), ecu(remaps fuel curve, removes rev limiter, allows for higher boost), and boost jets(brings boost up to 13 psi from stock 8 psi--60 hp). This is all for 1500 dollars. Brings the hp from 300 to 396. It is very popular among the masses at tt.net

Well... yes, and no.

I wouldn't buy the package... that's just dumb.

HKS Hiper- ~600JWT POP- 80JWT ECU- ~550

Total- somewhere around $1230. And different exhaust/ intake combos will yield you different hp amounts. It won't always measure out to 396.

Anyway, I owned a Z... and am an active member of tt.net. It's not that the package is so popular... just the fact that those are the three best bang for the buck mods you can do for the TTZ, and they set you up for further mods.