3.5 AC Vs. 3.8 Genesis Coupe

[mcheddadi]

I think in terms of depreciation rate Hyundai is fighting an uphill battle, with maybe the exception of the Sonata. No one is buying used tiburons or elantras solely because they were cool and unattainable brand new. I predict the same thing will happen with the Genesis (especially with subpar performace ratings within it's class), are people going to buy this car used after 2-3 years? Are they going to continue to market it's image and alleged power year after year to perpetuate another even better line of Genesis coupes? How many of us played around with the idea of buying a used Z, g35, g37, evo, sti at some point.. That's the driving force that makes a particular product line successful, not smokes and mirrors. I like the brembos and the limited slip diff tho

people will want to buy it 15 years down the line, because of one simple fact, ITS RWD. you do realise people still buy used piece of junk 240sx just because they want an affordable rwd drift car. cheap 2+2 rwd will always be bought and wanted. you absolutly can't compare a fwd tiburon or cheap elantra with a AFFORDABLE RWD 2+2 coupe.

this car will see monster success. rwd is the biggest selling point for it. I wouldn't even care about the car if it wasn't for the fact that its rwd.people have been wanting this for a long time. and there is no competitor for the price

[marlin29311]

people will want to buy it 15 years down the line, because of one simple fact, ITS RWD. you do realise people still buy used piece of junk 240sx just because they want an affordable rwd drift car. cheap 2+2 rwd will always be bought and wanted. you absolutly can't compare a fwd tiburon or cheap elantra with a AFFORDABLE RWD 2+2 coupe.

Umm, people wont want to buy it in 15 years because it won't be running in 15 years...

Show me a 15 year old Hyundai that's still running that's worth buying...

[felv8]

people will want to buy it 15 years down the line, because of one simple fact, ITS RWD. you do realise people still buy used piece of junk 240sx just because they want an affordable rwd drift car. cheap 2+2 rwd will always be bought and wanted. you absolutly can't compare a fwd tiburon or cheap elantra with a AFFORDABLE RWD 2+2 coupe.

this car will see monster success. rwd is the biggest selling point for it. I wouldn't even care about the car if it wasn't for the fact that its rwd.people have been wanting this for a long time. and there is no competitor for the price

YES.. some people may buy it 15 years from now to set up a drifter or put a VQ in it, who knows?? but... that is not going to drive its popularity in today's market! If sales are substantial enough within the short-term, let's say the genesis series produces half the amount of all Altima series sales(both sedans and coupes), which prob won't happen,; take that figure and a fraction of those 1st owned bought cars would influx into the used car market. How many people are goign to buy them over a (little bit older), Z or G35?? The auto industry is superficial beast dude, and if the word on the street already is that the Genesis is subpar within it's class... That's not a good start. I got no beef with Hyundai and usually like underdogs, I just think they should have spent a little bit more money on R&D and production in order to clearly put it in front of all of it's competitors (at least the faster trims). Instead they spend an eff load of money on sales & marketing which can only help them so much, and in the short term.. What they need to do is build a solid reputation and appeal first, for both performance and design, not just design!
Modified by felv8 at 1:04 PM 3/4/2009

[mcheddadi]

YES.. some people may buy it 15 years from now to set up a drifter or put a VQ in it, who knows?? but... that is not going to drive its popularity in today's market! If sales are substantial enough within the short-term, let's say the genesis series produces half the amount of all Altima series sales(both sedans and coupes), which prob won't happen,; take that figure and a fraction of those 1st owned bought cars would influx into the used car market. How many people are goign to buy them over a (little bit older), Z or G35?? The auto industry is superficial beast dude, and if the word on the street already is that the Genesis is subpar within it's class... That's not a good start. I got no beef with Hyundai and usually like underdogs, I just think they should have spent a little bit more money on R&D and production in order to clearly put it in front of all of it's competitors (at least the faster trims). Instead they spend an eff load of money on sales & marketing which can only help them so much, and in the short term.. What they need to do is build a solid reputation and appeal first, for both performance and design, not just design!

Modified by felv8 at 1:04 PM 3/4/2009

you say that it's not in front of its competitors, but the thing is, there are no competitors. the g37 or mustang arn't competitor because they are priced a lot more than the car. in the price range and in the same category of driftable cars I can only think of the rx8, (i'm talking new cars not used cars) the wrx, the lancer raliart and thats it.

the genesis coupe starts at 22K to 26.7K for 2.0L and 25K to 29K for 3.8Lrx8 27K to 32Klancer ralliart is 27KWRX 25K

the model to check is the R-spec 23K$ full speced out track model of the genesis coupe 2.0L. it's supposed to have the same engine as the EVO X and that means crazy performance for bargain prices. anyways

now the real batte is between the [25K$ WRX hatch with symetrical AWD and 265HP] and [the super track ready R-Spec 4 caliper brembo all around with blistein suspention and HLSD 23K$ genesis coupe 2.0L turbo] for the track supremacy.

[rjdmmfl1]

I think some die hard RWD folks out there may appreciate the genesis coupe, and its affordable price tag for what it is... but with the 3.8 starting at 25K and the new 370Z starting at 29K, I think folks may opt to spend a few extra dollars and get a vehicle that's hands down superior to the genesis in almost every way imaginable

The comparisons to the G37 are completely unwarranted IMO. sprt coupe vs luxury sport aren't exactly in the same class, neither is their price

All in all, I applaud Hyundai for doing what many other auto companies (especially the Big 3) are too chicken sh*t to do, and that's put a lot of energy into giving a group of consumers some thing new, fresh and different.

But perception is reality! Hyundai could be the safest, most reliable vehicles on the market (and they aren't) but if the general public has the perception that Hyundai vehicles are crap, it'll be hard to get mass people to spend their hard earned money on a vehicle (and company) that has not withstood the test of time. So we could debate the times, HP, accesories, RWD vs FWD all day regarding the A/C and the Genesis... but in the end, people are still gonna say "its a Hyundai"

we're in the middle of a recession with no clear end in sight, banks aren't lending money for loans, folks aren't spending their own money.. this all spells bad news for Hyundai.. wrong debut at the wrong time... inevitably.. I believe the Genesis experiment = FAIL for these reasons! But i am still impressed with the car!

[RobPaulson]

But perception is reality! Hyundai could be the safest, most reliable vehicles on the market (and they aren't) but if the general public has the perception that Hyundai vehicles are crap, it'll be hard to get mass people to spend their hard earned money on a vehicle (and company) that has not withstood the test of time. So we could debate the times, HP, accesories, RWD vs FWD all day regarding the A/C and the Genesis... but in the end, people are still gonna say "its a Hyundai"

we're in the middle of a recession with no clear end in sight, banks aren't lending money for loans, folks aren't spending their own money.. this all spells bad news for Hyundai.. wrong debut at the wrong time... inevitably.. I believe the Genesis experiment = FAIL for these reasons! But i am still impressed with the car!

[felv8]

The comparisons to the G37 are completely unwarranted IMO. sprt coupe vs luxury sport aren't exactly in the same class, neither is their price

This perception is being fed by Hyundai themselves! I agree they should be apples and oranges, but I would say most of the US don't even know/care. Make the genesis faster then a G37,350Z, 370Z, 335i, Mustang GT(A/C hopefully after this weekend ) then everyone starts spreading the word. How much more money does it take to give it that extra boost in performance? Who knows, but switch the brembos with some painted generics and I bet you can squeeze some HP and/or Torque off a few bolt-ons or readjustments without spending any extra money!

quoted from MotorTrend:

"According to Hyundai, the short list of Genesis coupe competitors includes the Infiniti G37, BMW 335i coupe, Ford Mustang GT, Mazda RX-8, and Mitsubishi Eclipse GT, though a comparison of specs reveals the G37 matters most."

http://www.motortrend.com/road....html

[rjdmmfl1]

This perception is being fed by Hyundai themselves! I agree they should be apples and oranges, but I would say most of the US don't even know/care. Make the genesis faster then a G37,350Z, 370Z, 335i, Mustang GT(A/C hopefully after this weekend ) then everyone starts spreading the word. How much more money does it take to give it that extra boost in performance? Who knows, but switch the brembos with some painted generics and I bet you can squeeze some HP and/or Torque off a few bolt-ons or readjustments without spending any extra money!

quoted from MotorTrend:

"According to Hyundai, the short list of Genesis coupe competitors includes the Infiniti G37, BMW 335i coupe, Ford Mustang GT, Mazda RX-8, and Mitsubishi Eclipse GT, though a comparison of specs reveals the G37 matters most."

http://www.motortrend.com/road....html

no, I completely agree with you... my comment was directed more towards Hyundai... IN NO WAY, SHAPE, FORM OR FASHION does the Hyundai compete with the g37 other than the fact that it has RWD...

Even the most decked out from the factory Track vesion of the genesis coupe FAILS in comparison to the G37.. performance wise, luxury wise, (looks is subjective so I won't mention that)

Hyundai is definately trying to fuel that comparison, because, if they put it in the category of the G37, then their price and overall package is even more appealing! i know they compared their Sedan to the BMW 5series, and I believe there's more of an argument to be made there since, interior and engine wise, the Sedan appears to be a different beast than the coupe.

And one more thing.. when the f*ck did these cars "Infiniti G37, BMW 335i coupe, Ford Mustang GT, Mazda RX-8, and Mitsubishi Eclipse GT" get put in the same category of comparison?

There's clearly three different categories here, and IMO, the Genesis coupe only compares with the RX-8 and the Mustang Gt

1. BMW 335i & G37 (RWD luxury sports coupe)2. RX-8, Mustang GT, (RWD sports coupe)3. Misubishi Eclipse GT (FWD)

Again, not yelling at you, just the folks that wrote that article!

[felv8]

And one more thing.. when the f*ck did these cars "Infiniti G37, BMW 335i coupe, Ford Mustang GT, Mazda RX-8, and Mitsubishi Eclipse GT" get put in the same category of comparison?

There's clearly three different categories here, and IMO, the Genesis coupe only compares with the RX-8 and the Mustang Gt

1. BMW 335i & G37 (RWD luxury sports coupe)2. RX-8, Mustang GT, (RWD sports coupe)3. Misubishi Eclipse GT (FWD)

Again, not yelling at you, just the folks that wrote that article!

lol! I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw that sh*t . How about that RX8 though, what an epic fail! Mazda needs to fire everyone involved in making that car and replace them with a sack of potatoes.

[mcheddadi]

lol! I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw that sh*t . How about that RX8 though, what an epic fail! Mazda needs to fire everyone involved in making that car and replace them with a sack of potatoes.

lol, the thing with the rx8 is that the handleing is BRILLIANT. nothing in terms of handling come close to it. its is soo neutral and predictable, It feels like an E46 M3

plus how many proper 6MT sport COUPE cars exist where you can put 4 adult and go drift in it? not many... I can't even think of one... I think the rx8 is brilliant but it should have been way cheaper for the power it offers. also the Mpg is rubbish lol

[Sith LL_Coupe]

Mchedi, when the hell did you turn British!?!?! Proper... Rubbish... have you been watching too much Top Gear or something?

[mcheddadi]

Mchedi, when the hell did you turn British!?!?! Proper... Rubbish... have you been watching too much Top Gear or something?

hhahahah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMuO-8S_0Wg

[Hussain]

you say that it's not in front of its competitors, but the thing is, there are no competitors. the g37 or mustang arn't competitor because they are priced a lot more than the car. in the price range and in the same category of driftable cars I can only think of the rx8, (i'm talking new cars not used cars) the wrx, the lancer raliart and thats it.

the genesis coupe starts at 22K to 26.7K for 2.0L and 25K to 29K for 3.8Lrx8 27K to 32Klancer ralliart is 27KWRX 25K.

what about the drop dead sexy 2010 camaro? starts at 22k and has 300 hp (298 to be exact).... and the camaro will for sure have tons of aftermarket parts.... PLUS if your talking about later on in the future 15 years from now, you can buy a Z28 cheap or a V6 and do an engine swap or even fix up the 3.6L it has.... but stock for stock its the same price as the genesis, looks 1,000 times better and will be a classic and for sure nice forever

[marlin29311]

what about the drop dead sexy 2010 camaro? starts at 22k and has 300 hp (298 to be exact).... and the camaro will for sure have tons of aftermarket parts.... PLUS if your talking about later on in the future 15 years from now, you can buy a Z28 cheap or a V6 and do an engine swap or even fix up the 3.6L it has.... but stock for stock its the same price as the genesis, looks 1,000 times better and will be a classic and for sure nice forever

I'll take the Camaro anyday over the Genecrap. Its an affordable RWD coupe that I would actually want to drive.

Truth be told its the car I actually wanted to get...but it wasn't out yet...

[felv8]

what about the drop dead sexy 2010 camaro?

I'll pay 100% mark-up on it's retail value if my camaro comes with Megan Fox in it

[mcheddadi]

the camaro is said to have float boat like handling, and rubbish mpgs but too me it's in the same category as the mustang.

I prefer the sharper looks of the old gen ones than this ones smooth lines

[RobPaulson]

I'll pay 100% mark-up on it's retail value if my camaro comes with Megan Fox in it

i'll give my first born for a camaro with megan fox in it ... as long as she did EVERYTHING i said

[felv8]

the camaro is said to have float boat like handling, and rubbish mpgs but too me it's in the same category as the mustang.

I prefer the sharper looks of the old gen ones than this ones smooth lines

Yup, it's a straight line demon, but on short tracks, not so much.. would still spank an Rx8 tho . Realistically tho, a solid coilover kit would work wonders on it. I know a guy who recently bought a daytona coupe kit car that would dust Z06's on the straights (345hp on 2300lb curb weight!). On the flip side it was handled like a waffle around turns. Reminds me of the stock 3rd gen Altimas. I forget which coilovers he put, but now it's whole different ball game.