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The short version:
Buy an Android phone (LG Optimus V) from Virgin Mobile for $150.
Sign up for a $25/mo 300-minute plan.
Install Google Voice and Sipdroid to make and receive free VOIP calls.

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I talked to a friend for half an hour over wifi. His voice was crystal clear. I then checked my Virgin account to see if it counted against my minutes, and it didn't.

Limitations to calling with Sipdroid:
If you’re in motion, say in the car or on a train, VOIP (voice over IP) calls will cut out badly. Walking around the house or office works fine.
When you call someone, they will see your Google voice number, NOT your cell number.
If your friends have Sprint (or any carrier with free mobile to mobile), your Sipdroid calls will not count as part of their unlimited mobile-to-mobile minutes. They will be charged as if they called a land line.
If you want free incoming calls, you need to have your friends your Google Voice number. And if the call is coming in while you’re in motion, sound quality will be poor.


The long version:
http://jesda.com/2011/02/26/25mo-unlimi ... heres-how/

I'm really happy with the results. :woot:


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I am struggling to see where the phone distributes bacon, wtf?

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Virgin mobile charges $150 for the LG Optimus? ARE THEY ON CRACK?! They should pay YOU to put up with hardware that ancient.

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You pay more than that with a standard carrier. The difference is, you subsidize the cost with your high monthly bill.

Wireless contracts are basically expensive financing schemes.

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Example:

LG Optimus is $50 through Sprint with 2-year contract, but the 450/everything plan is $69+tax, so it comes to $79.
LG Optimus is $150 through VM is $150, but the monthly cost is $25.

LG Optimus for 2 years with Sprint: $1946
LG Optimus for 2 years with VM: $750


If you compare fully unlimited plans, $100+tax through Sprint for a total of $112, or $60 including tax through VM:
LG Optimus for 2 years with Sprint: $2838
LG Optimus for 2 years with VM: $1590

So you have to ask yourself, is it worth an extra $624 a year if you aren't the type of customer who buys the latest/newest phone?

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Wait till you have to travel with it. Virgin sucks.

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There shouldn't be a cost to (or not to) subsidize. That thing's running an early-android Qualicomm processor! It's ANCIENT. Severely outdated. It's particularly stupid for a phone running android 2.2, since that hardware doesn't support half of what Froyo adds to the OS. It's like selling an Apple ][ for $1000 today. It's not worth money anymore. That's a "free with contract" level phone. Even purchased outright it's not worth more than $50.

One of the biggest problem with Android right now is that older hardware has been left behind by the software (both OS and applications). Paying money for one of the phones that got left behind is a joke. Can't run the latest version of Maps (which makes massively worthwhile improvements). JIT doesn't work right. Flash 10.1 won't run on it. Might as well pay someone $150 for a hacked mytouch 3G. At least the Mytouch gets a trackball. Text editing in android without a trackball sucks trackballs.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:There shouldn't be a cost to (or not to) subsidize. That thing's running an early-android Qualicomm processor! It's ANCIENT. Severely outdated. It's particularly stupid for a phone running android 2.2, since that hardware doesn't support half of what Froyo adds to the OS. It's like selling an Apple ][ for $1000 today. It's not worth money anymore. That's a "free with contract" level phone. Even purchased outright it's not worth more than $50.

One of the biggest problem with Android right now is that older hardware has been left behind by the software (both OS and applications). Paying money for one of the phones that got left behind is a joke. Can't run the latest version of Maps (which makes massively worthwhile improvements). JIT doesn't work right. Flash 10.1 won't run on it. Might as well pay someone $150 for a hacked mytouch 3G. At least the Mytouch gets a trackball. Text editing in android without a trackball sucks trackballs.
You're derping a bit on this one. Watch the video. Everything functions quite smoothly. The worst Android phone I've experienced is the HTC Hero running 2.1, and its an entire universe apart. As for being left behind, if you're already spending $100 or more each year for a hardware upgrade, what exactly are you losing? Is your phone suddenly going to wake up one morning and decide that you're no longer able to make calls?

You're exaggerating the disadvantages because you come from the perspective of someone who plays around with their electronics as a hobby.

I would also appreciate a trackball or some arrow keys, but the only reason Android phones have a trackball is because the original Android OS (prior to release) was designed to mimic Blackberry. No touch screen was intended until the iPhone came out. Most people with Android phones don't use their trackball either, though if I had one I occasionally would for things like text editing. A Blackberry-style keyboard would be ideal for me.

Now, I know most Android kids are launching cruise missiles with their phones and developing custom ROMs and generating holographic virtual girlfriends from the palm of their hand, but that accounts for quite a minority of users. Most are casual out-of-the-box users (iPhone) or business-oriented (Blackberry, the largest single share of the market).

Can I listen to music? Yes.
Can I talk to my friends and family? Yes.
Can I watch videos? Yes.
Can I read and respond to email? Yes, though the Blackberry had more e-mail features. Android's built-in mail client has as few features as the 1994 release of Eudora, but it does work.
Can I do all of those things without the phone hanging, freezing, or choking? Yes.

If I had an HTC Evo, would I be doing any of these things differently? Absolutely not. I'd use a more expensive phone in the exact same way. If I had a Boss 302 Mustang, I'd still drive 10mph over the speed limit on public roads.

Do I want more than that? Well, I wouldn't mind having more, but most of the time my phone sits idle. At some point, the money you spend on technology gets dramatically higher while gains in functionality and performance are smaller and smaller. A wise consumer looks for the sweet spot in the market and finds a suitable compromise. Likewise, a smart auto enthusiast buys a used car from the last 5-10 years.

In other words, you haven't mentioned anything that actually detracts from the standard usability of the phone. And I'm going to have to reluctantly agree with the iPhone fanboys on this one: Adobe Flash is awful. In the future Flash will become more mobile-friendly, maybe with a dual-core or quad-core phone, or when Adobe decides to efficiently develop Flash.

If you're comfortable with spending an extra $650 every year so you can geek out, then that's great, but I care so little about being on the cutting edge that I'd rather give a couple hundred bucks to charity and pocket the rest. My phone is primarily a telephone that happens to do other things. Its not the center of my world or a hobby.

Next, you're going to tell me the 1990 Maxima is insufficient as a mode of transportation because the new Focus has MyTouch, a bigger trunk, and gets 40mpg. :chuckle: If having an expensive phone makes you feel good, do it, but don't mistake being an advanced user for being a wiser one. If there aren't other things this in this world you'd rather spend $600 on, then so be it.

That's a good chunk of money that could go into a 401k.

[I also hold on to my PCs for years.]
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Dattebayo wrote:Wait till you have to travel with it. Virgin sucks.
Its the Sprint network. Virgin is owned by Sprint.

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Another example:

I spent thousands restoring the Saab. I love it, and I wouldn't have it any other way, but financially its a poor choice when you consider the time value of money and the depreciation of automobiles.

I would not suggest to someone interested in buying a new Elantra that they ought to go find a used 900 turbo because the steering has more feel and the insurance is cheaper. One has to recognize the difference in "value" to an enthusiast versus a consumer.

The dilemma of economics is scarcity. Time and money are both limited, so we have to make compromises in life and choose what we're willing to give up in order to have other things. Even the wealthy deal with scarcity, arguably even more of it because time is a finite resource, but the greater options that come from having more money compete with each other for time.

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Jesda wrote:
Dattebayo wrote:Wait till you have to travel with it. Virgin sucks.
Its the Sprint network. Virgin is owned by Sprint.
Yeah, I know. My current job used to have Sprint networked devices, we got rid of them recently for a good reason...

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I'm just rambling now. Sorry guys. Its Saturday afternoon and I'm bored.


One big disadvantage with a carrier like VM is customer service. When my Blackberry was acting up, I walked into a local Sprint store and had it fixed in half an hour. Good as new. With VM, you have to deal exclusively with Indians over the phone.

And while its on the Sprint network and VM is owned by Sprint, capacity isn't the same, so data throughput might be slower at peak times, or on new years eve you might have trouble calling your girlfriend to tell her you love her when the ball drops due to the network being overburdened (but shouldn't you be with her? lol). I got 5mbit on a Thursday evening while tethered to my netbook, which I guess is within reason, but it might be a different story in other cities.

YMMV. So far, so good.

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If only I could find an Android phone without a camera. I looked online and read about one being released eventually, but, alas, I haven't found one yet.

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Dattebayo wrote:Yeah, I know. My current job used to have Sprint networked devices, we got rid of them recently for a good reason...
I love Sprint. God just hates you for being a doofus. :biggrin:

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I was just saying to Otto: Sometimes I miss life before cell phones, until I remember pay phones.

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Jesda wrote:Can I listen to music? Yes.
Can I talk to my friends and family? Yes.
Can I watch videos? Yes.
Can I read and respond to email? Yes, though the Blackberry had more e-mail features. Android's built-in mail client has as few features as the 1994 release of Eudora, but it does work.
Can I do all of those things without the phone hanging, freezing, or choking? Yes.
Exactly my point. Those aren't things you need a $150 smart phone to do. This isn't an issue of doing things differently, it's one of doing things not at all. I'm not talking about lacking nuclear-grade hackability; I'm talking about lacking basic functionality. There are plenty of borderline-dumbphones that do those things. Especially with Gingerbread leaving even more phones in the dust, selling a phone that barely handles 2.2 is foolish. It's like buying a Pentium II powered PC for $500. Yes, you can do [x thing you'll mention] but you can't do anything a proper modern computer can, and you can't enjoy a lot of the benefits of Windows 7 (though the nerd in me argues that 98SE isn't a huge sacrifice, which doesn't help my argument here). It's not a hackability issue. It's a basic hardware issue. 256mb RAM won't run Win7. Qualcomm 7227 isn't adequate for Froyo. You say the phone runs smoothly, but what you're missing is that a lot of features are disabled to achieve that. If it had a processor worth the silicon it was made from, it would work more smoothly, because it could support those features. Things like the JIT compiler make Android run FASTER, but require decent hardware to do so. You've got the Android equivalent of Windows 7 Starter. Sure, it's still Froyo. But it's missing stuff.

And the reason I'm so stubborn on this point is that I'm running a phone with equivalent hardware and Froyo. My G1's hacked and overclocked. Yes, it "runs smoothly" but there's so much of the Android world visible through the phone's proverbial window that it can't do. I can't run Firefox Beta, I can't do the new improved Maps, I can't do flash, can't get Opera Mobile working, can't run a bucketload of apps... But I bought my phone a year ago, for dirt. I would NEVER pay $150 for that missing functionality today.

I'm planning an upgrade in the next couple of months, and I'll be going with the ultra-hyper-top-end Galaxy S 2 (dual core with 3d acceleration) because I don't want my phone to be stuck the way it is out of the box. I want it to keep up with the most basic parts of android (stuff on the market, OS updates) for AT LEAST a year. Optimus has already failed at both of those out of the box. And that's--once again--NOT a nerd/hacking/advanced user issue. It's a basic functionality issue.
A wise consumer looks for the sweet spot in the market and finds a suitable compromise. Likewise, a smart auto enthusiast buys a used car from the last 5-10 years.
The sweet spot is the mid range, not the bottom end. I know LG touts the Optimus as midrange, but it's not. There are only two phones ever that were slower, and you named one of them. Being better than the Hero is not a praiseworthy achievement.
Jesda wrote:Next, you're going to tell me the 1990 Maxima is insufficient as a mode of transportation because the new Focus has MyTouch, a bigger trunk, and gets 40mpg. :chuckle: If having an expensive phone makes you feel good, do it, but don't mistake being an advanced user for being a wiser one. If there aren't other things this in this world you'd rather spend $600 on, then so be it.
There's no such thing as a VG30 equivalent in the electronics world. All CPUs are equally easy to work with. Some of them, however, do more stuff. The things that make old cars appealing vs newer cars don't hold true in the electronics world.

BTW, I swapped radiators in my Max on friday. Took the thing for a drive for the first time in probably a year. I had forgotten how torquey the VG30 feels in that car. The torque off the line feels at odds with the engine's gutlessness on paper.

Oh, and Ford's MPG claims get more laughable every week. Go rent a Focus. If you get 40 real-world MPG I'll paypal you $10. Ford claims the Ecoboost 3.5 gets 17/25mpg, yet everyone who has ever actually driven one has experienced the same 16mpg average. I know EPA estimates have always been a joke, but Ford's have gotten ridiculous.

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Jesda wrote:
Dattebayo wrote:Yeah, I know. My current job used to have Sprint networked devices, we got rid of them recently for a good reason...
I love Sprint. God just hates you for being a doofus. :biggrin:
Yep I am total doofus because Sprint can't keep their network from disconnecting from it's devices all the time... :crazy: We don't have the issue anymore since we migrated to another carrier. :)

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Man after the abortion that was the Galaxy S you'd have to be crazy to try for round two!

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Urabus GodofTraction wrote:Man after the abortion that was the Galaxy S you'd have to be crazy to try for round two!
The Galaxy was terrible. The Galaxy S is the best Android phone on the market at the moment. I confused the two myself when the Galaxy S launched, but they're polar opposites.

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If you put a Sprint Evo in front of me, I'd do the exact same 5 or 10 things with it that I do with the Optimus, except I'd be paying $800 more per year to use it (Sprint charges a 4G data fee).

As for the cost, you're looking at money the way a welfare recipient looks at a credit card. "I get $500 right now!" [at 30% interest]
You're complaining about a short-term $150 expense when it results in an annual savings of $650. That $650 is a nice chunk of change to put toward your retirement (remember, $650 today is thousands 30 years from now at a typical 5% return on a 401k) or $650 will buy part or all of a set of tires.

Because there is no contract, the cost of the phone is not subsidized. Imagine if Sprint or Verizon gave you the option to cut your bill in half by purchasing your phone at full price.
$150 is about what a brand new LG Optimus is actually worth. An HTC Evo is sold by HTC for $549. The Optimus without a contract subsidy from Sprint is going for $200.

I think you're also misunderstanding the business models between the two carriers.

Lets follow your line of thinking just for the heck of it. Say in six months technology changes SO dramatically that I find myself unable to browse the web or make phone calls all of a sudden. My phone turns into a brick because technology renders it useless. If I had to buy a current model of phone for $200 in six months, I'd still be well within the $650 I saved for the year.


You cannot, in any aspect of life, think of money in the context of the moment. You have to look at it from a time perspective to understand its real value.



And watch the video. Your idea of "slow" is completely disconnected from reality. This is a nerd issue through and through, and its the usual argument you hear from Android enthusiasts.

There is no need to "keep up" with the latest updates if the desired functionality is already there. I won't replace my old netbook running Windows XP just so I can run Windows 7 on something newer. At the end of the day, I'd still be using Excel to edit the exact same spreadsheets. Doing the same tasks on newer and more expensive hardware for the sake of doing it on newer hardware is wasteful and dumb, unless you're a hobbyist who derives enjoyment from it.


Now, tell me that a quad-core phone will translate my dog's incessant whining into English and THEN I'll upgrade. Its major features like web browsing, color displays, and touch screens that have prompted the masses to upgrade, not incremental updates. Usually people change phones when a year goes by and they're offered a freebie or discount.



In my mom's case, she's had the same Sanyo flip phone for 7 years. She makes more money than you and me combined and seems to be tremendously productive despite not having Adobe Flash in her purse. Phones are not life-changing devices.



Let me put it this way: You spend more for features I get absolutely no benefit from. Suggesting that I pay more for things I don't need is a bit silly. You have to disconnect needs from wants if you want to evaluate consumer goods in a consumer usability context.

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Dattebayo wrote: Yep I am total doofus because Sprint can't keep their network from disconnecting from it's devices all the time... :crazy: We don't have the issue anymore since we migrated to another carrier. :)
You are still a doofus, but I'm just teasing for the lulz. :)

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Urabus GodofTraction wrote:Man after the abortion that was the Galaxy S you'd have to be crazy to try for round two!
The Galaxy was terrible. The Galaxy S is the best Android phone on the market at the moment. I confused the two myself when the Galaxy S launched, but they're polar opposites.
I meant what I said. The Galaxy S.

Beautiful screen, nice stats, but the battery life, TouchWiz, and the fact I couldn't get my "upgrade" to connect to GPS in the week I had it...

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Sprint service sucks.
Virgin Mobile uses Sprint's network.
Therefore, Virgin Mobile sucks.

That phone is a brick anyways. Reminds me of a Droid Eris....But as you said Jesda, it does what you need.

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Jesda wrote:You are still a doofus, but I'm just teasing for the lulz. :)
Being a doofus on the net is worth it. :gapteeth:

Anyway...
AZ89two4Tsx wrote:Sprint service sucks.
Virgin Mobile uses Sprint's network.
Therefore, Virgin Mobile sucks.
:iws:

This. If I didn't have to scale 30 story buildings to replace the damn things all the time with our new carrier (because they block ping and disconnect all the time) I might have a better opinion of them. I would prefer Verizon, but they aren't cheap enough.

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Sprint phones will happily roam on VZW and Qwest. They're all CDMA.

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I've had absolutely no complaints with Sprints service, it's worked everywhere I've been without fail.

I have the EVO, but my wife has the Optimus and I think it's an excellent phone for the money. Will it do everything my EVO will? No, but it does everything my wife needs it to and I've played with it myself a lot. It's very responsive and seems like the only thing that makes it lag is Angry Birds. Would I buy it for myself? Doubtful. I'm a power user though, I use my phone for everything, including most basic tasks I would do on a PC. If you don't need much out of your phone though, then I can see going for something like that and save money.

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T-Mobile is the only major carrier I know of that offers discounted monthly service in exchange for paying full price for the phone (or more realistically, bringing your own used or refurbished phone from ebay or amazon). All carriers should offer that as an option for those of us who don't want to finance our phones through expensive monthly rates. Or, they could simply offer interest-free financing for new phones. They're already evaluating your credit to initiate service. Why not make it a loan? I tend to hold on to my phones until they're just about dead.

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I just got the Optimus from VM about three days ago. you really cant beat $25 for "unlimited" data. Its my first "smart phone" and I've got to say I love it and it's worth the money. I bought the phone because I get bored at work. I work security for the UC Davis campus so sitting around a construction site overnight in a truck or patrolling around campus could get boring. at least I'm somewhat entertained with this phone. now if I get dispatched to a certain address on campus that I've never heard about I can just Google it.

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Sayyy, kinda off-topic, but Jesda, have you looked into the mobile wifi hotspots that Verizon's got going on? I kinda wouldn't mind having that, so I can get a wifi signal for my iPod Touch at work.

Do any other carriers sell them? T-Mobile talks about "mobile" wifi hotspots, but I think they mean something completely different.

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I think most carriers have some sort of option for a mobile hotspot. I'd look at T-Mobile or Sprint, Sprint actually offers something called the ZTE Peel, that's basically a cradle case for the iPod touch but works as a mobile hotspot. I have no idea how good any of them work though... I think they have $20 and $30 per month plans for them, but I believe they do have contracts as well.


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