240sx vs. Pontiac GTO

[GrubyFngaz]

Just curious, how does say an sr20 powered s14 stack up against one of the new GTO's. I heard the have like over 300 hp or something and I was just wondering how a 240 would stand up against it.Josh

[SeVa-S13]

Well it all depends on if the GTO used his hyperdrives, and how full is your flux resevoir? Up to capacity I hope because if not, your vtech will never kick in in time.

[GEO]

GTO's have 400HP and 400lbs of torque.... No way are you catching that sista!
Modified by GEO at 4:19 PM 6/5/2005

[574-240sx]

GTO will eat you alive. I think the new one has the LS2 in it.

[4felix20]

2004 pontiac GTO is listed at about a 13.8 quarter mile...don't know how accurate that is though.http://www.albeedigital.com/su....html

i can't remember what a stock sr20 runs.

[AJ1356]

Here is what i found out in some old tread. now one has to take into consideration the the pontiac is a heavier car than the 240sx. also i have not heard of a stock sr20 in US, ( that means no aftermarket intake, exhaust, or anything) I H8 UR DSMLI 240SX Rep

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10 posts [100%]Palm Harbor, FL 9-23-2002 5:19 AM 9/23/2002

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13.2 @ 106mph 2.3 60ft with the following setup:S13 SR20DET Redtop89' 240sx hatchFull Interior18" Racing Hart CP-35's245/40/18 Toyo FZ4's (****ty tires)Open Diff3" Downpipe w/Apex i N1 Catback w/out CatK&N FilterStarion FMIC w/MK3 supra I/C pipingt25 Turbo Set at 15psiWeather was bright and sunny (got a sunburn) and about 90 degrees

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4807 posts [100%]socal. 9-24-2002 5:19 AM 9/23/2002

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My Buddy has an SR20 in his 91.He ran a 13.9@9970 degrees Ambient11 psi

Stock block, and turbo, GReddy ProfecB, TypeS BOV, SP Exhaust, Heavy Throttle 3" Downpipe, Spearco FMIC, SPEC Clutch, 17" TSW's

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Before I bought the engine of my friend he ran a 13.7 not sure what speed with stock everything in a 89 w/trunk. I believe he had the back seats removed and has K1 racing rims 15".

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[spanishricer]

Well my S14 is making almost 250 at the wheels, and I lost to a lightly modded LS1 Trans Am (i/e/chip) by a car length and a half. So if you're going to race a GTO, I think you'd need 250whp to make it interesting, but closer to 280whp to pull off a win.

[Arrow]

I think that you're about right... I'd say that given the 240 weighs in at about 2800 or so (slightly lightened or depending on the features) and the GTO weighs in at (I'm guessing on this) 3500 to 3800 and even w/ around 350 hp it's hp to weight ratio is only around 1 hp for every 10 to 11 pounds of car... not too shabby... so to get a 240 to have a good chance you'd need the same or near the same ratio (dependingon the driver's skill and all) so therefore the 240 would have to be putting out 250 - 280 hp.... Just some food for thought. But a slightly modded SR should be able to reacht that mark given exhaust, intake, and some ecu work... maybe larger injectors..... all dependant but I'd say that it'd be pretty possible, just not from a stock SR (inless it's the S15 SR w/ a boost controller... that one might hit the mark...)

Just my $0.02

[xero1]

what the max boost that an stock sr20det head gasket will handle, and how much rwhp can you make with stock internal and keep it reliable?

[st33f]

people have made 650 with stock internals on SRs... reliably i think 400 is probably pushing it tho.

the stock head gaskets i have no idea

[AJ1356]

well firebord is ligther than the GTO. and moded, i am just puting my 10 cent in.lol. if i am not mistaken the original poster wanted to see how it the sr would stack up against the GTO and here i am being bold to assume it is a stock GTO. so against a stock LS1 a lightly moded sr would kick booty, but really hand the LS1 a whoooping , i agree with steve about the 280 + horses.

what the max boost that an stock sr20det head gasket will handle, and how much rwhp can you make with stock internal and keep it reliable?

I had read in many places that with stock internals , and SR ( and i am thinking of s14 maybe s13 SR) would be able to safely make 300 WHP. and be able to drive daily.

NOW EVERYONE PRAY FOR ME SO I CAN GO AND BUY AN S15 SR. I AM GONIG TO PUT A DOWN PAYMENT, IF ICAN'T COME UP WITH ANY MONEY, YOU GUYS WOULD SEE LOTS OF PARTS ON SALE
Modified by AJ1356 at 7:05 AM 6/6/2005

[NoTcHbAcK240sx]

rodger thatttttt

[Sky240PWR]

Well if you go to http://www.caranddriver.com and find the article called ''Goat and Pony showdown''(2005 GTO against a 2005 Mustang GT)........The GTO curb weight is in at 3787 and has 400hp @ 6000 rpm and 400 torque @ 4400 rpm. It also says it does the 1/4-mile 13.3 @ 107, so you would defently need alot of hp to beat the GTO, depending on which model you have, I think the S14 can weigh as much as 3000-3300 lbs, I have a 91 fastback with a stock RB25DET (except the Tanabe exhaust,Megan test pipe,down pipe, Koyo radiator,Greddy intake and intercooler)that weighs in at around 2950lbs with 250 whp and i have beaten a '04 GT by 2 car lengths and a '96 cobra by 3-4 car lengths, a '04 mustang GT 1/4 time is 14.1 seconds at 93 mph so I would think that puts me in at around 13.8-14 seconds for the 1/4.(both cars i raced had aftermarket rims and brand new tires, my tires are stock and bald at that), i have 18'' rims I going to put on my car they're a 3 piece rim, 11'' wide in the back and 9'' wide in the front, with some good tires i think i could do the 1/4 at around 13.5 seconds( i also have LSD), so as of now i think the GTO with a really good driver could take me, but this time next year i should be pushing 450-500 whp!...then it's on!
Modified by Sky240PWR at 2:51 PM 6/6/2005

[spanishricer]

I think the S14 can weigh as much as 3000-3300 lbs

The S14 weights in at 2700lbs and some change stock, depending on trim level. An S14 with an SR swap probably weighs closer to 2800lbs.

a '04 mustang GT 1/4 time is 15.1 seconds at 93 mph so I would think that puts me in at around 13.8-14 seconds for the 1/4.

Probably a typo, you meant to type that the '04 Mustang GT's 1/4 mile time is 14.1 right? Because it's definately not a 15.1 @ 93mph...

i have 18'' rims I going to put on my car they're a 3 piece rim, 11'' wide in the back and 9'' wide in the front, with some good tires i think i could do the 1/4 at around 13.5 seconds( i also have LSD)

Those big rims will probably actually slow you down, rather than help lower your 1/4 times. Unsprung weight is a *****...

[PalmerWMD]

04 GTO 14 flat /13.9 w/ manual auto ;ow 14's

A SR20'ed S13 or S14 eunnign a goiof FMIC with boost controller set to 14 on a T25 or 11 on a T28 will eat iots lunch all day.

My old S13 (pics in members rides ) with SR Nismo LSD, exhaust greddy FMIC, T25 is beating faster cars than the new GTO

[Oatmealman]

goat pwns you

goat>240sx

[HashiriyaS14]

Are we assuming SR here?

How about an RB25?

And "Stack Up" how? 1/4 mile? Or downhill on some twisties? BIG diff there....

Bottom line is that these cars are designed to be good at *very* different things. It's all about how you compare them.

[Sky240PWR]

04 GTO 14 flat /13.9 w/ manual auto ;ow 14'

Did you not read my post?? anyway the original question was about the NEW GTO"S which would be '05 and I already said they do the 1/4 in 13.3 @ 107 mph!!

and yes spanishricer it was a typo thanks!!...and about rims, they aren't that heavy but i think with 450-500 whp I'll need some big wheels to help get traction.

Are we assuming SR here?

How about an RB25?

And "Stack Up" how? 1/4 mile? Or downhill on some twisties? BIG diff there....

Bottom line is that these cars are designed to be good at *very* different things. It's all about how you compare them.

It obvious you didn't read my post either, I just compared the GTO with my 91 fastback RB25.

[Beemen550]

well i know from experience that a nearly stock sr20 will beat a 05 GTO

ive raced at least 4 gto's at the track and the fastest one was 13.0, but he had drag radials and modified his stock airbox, the rest were 04's and below, the best they could get was like 13.6 or so

[Sky240PWR]

so you're telling me your nearly stock sr20 is running the 1/4 in the low 13's??....I want proof!!..slip times!!

[Badfish]

This is on his web page. Looks like he's running 14lbs of boost, open differential, street tires.

12.92



Heres his thread with videos.

zerothread?id=116491

[Beemen550]

so you're telling me your nearly stock sr20 is running the 1/4 in the low 13's??....I want proof!!..slip times!!

NOPE, high 12's...haha

thanks for backin me up Badfish, i love it when people dont believe it, then i prove it to them....makes my day

[Badfish]

No problem, man. I mean, it took me all of 3 seconds to find since its in your sig and then do a simple search.

I want to take my car out to the track soon, but I have to put on some new pads and rotors first. And im kinda split on whether to buy a limited slip or boost controller first.

240sx beats the GTO in terms of looks anyways. If I wanted to buy a car that looks like a grand am/grand prix, I'd just go buy a grand am.

[spanishricer]

well i know from experience that a nearly stock sr20 will beat a 05 GTO

So where's this nearly stock sr20 running close to 13 flat???

Because all I see is a fully BPU'd SR that's running double the factory boost

[Sky240PWR]

So where's this nearly stock sr20 running close to 13 flat???

Because all I see is a fully BPU'd SR that's running double the factory boost

Thank you thats what I'm saying!!!!

Hey Beemen, do you know your whp was with the way you had your car set up when you went to the track??

[PalmerWMD]

Did you not read my post?? anyway the original question was about the NEW GTO"S which would be '05 and I already said they do the 1/4 in 13.3 @ 107 mph!!.

Easy Sparky..Yes I did read your post which I why I mentioned it was 04..Also the 04 GTO's . well there arent that many sold so less likely to meet on the street.

Alsothat seems a huuge imrpovement for just an extra 50 hp/lb-ft, I suspect that car was launched as hard as an owner would never launch it.

I put my old $12,000 S13 (all included) up against a GTO in the quarter , from a roll ( as long as we dont go over 120 mph since i dont like to go faster in the S13)or on any road course (new KYB's , Eibachs, Energykit).

An extyra 2500 in parts (Enjuku turbo upgrade kit with injectors ecu etc)would have brought that car into the high12's.

Fred..

[HashiriyaS14]

It obvious you didn't read my post either, I just compared the GTO with my 91 fastback RB25.

You're exactly right, I completely ignored your post. I was responding to the thread originator's original question, and trying to figure out if he was talking purely in terms of acceleration, or other metrics as well...

And he just said "new GTO' in his original post, that doesn't necessarily mean '05+ to me.

[Beemen550]

So where's this nearly stock sr20 running close to 13 flat???

Because all I see is a fully BPU'd SR that's running double the factory boost

i still consider my car Nearly stock, i could see if i had a bigger turbo, injectors, internals, cams, or some kind of tuning to be conidered BPU'd, but IMO adding a bigger exhaust, intercooler, and MBC still qualifies as a Close enough to stock car

Hey Beemen, do you know your whp was with the way you had your car set up when you went to the track??

probably about 240-250whp

[Sky240PWR]

probably about 240-250whp[/QUOTE]

well I'm a good driver as far as racing but i've never been to the track, i got my car dynod a few months ago and i'm at 250 whp so you'd think my 1/4 mile time would be around the same if i got the chance to go to the track?

I have a greddy intake manifold and intercooler, a koyo radiator, a Tanabe exhaust, megen test pipe, and a mckinney down pipe, and LSD. and i'm at stock boost.

[Onizuka]

The S14 weights in at 2700lbs and some change stock, depending on trim level. An S14 with an SR swap probably weighs closer to 2800lbs.

Last time I check the turbo SR weighed less than a KA.

The GTO is a good match for a SR'd 240 until someone has to take a turn.