2016 Obama's America Movie

[WDRacing]

Just because a parent believes one way or another doesn't mean the child will be of the same ilk. It's probably almost a 50-50 for kids who grow up in a fundamentalist household whether or not they grow up with the same ideals or ideals that "rage against the machine." I know just as many kids who are opposite of their parents as they are similar.

That's crap. How a child is raised has a HUGE role in determining their beliefs. It's their primary example as they grow and develop. I can't believe you even posted that shenanigans. There's is a very large chance that a child will follow suit, we just finished talking about this in another thread about impoverished children.

Don't gloss over something because he's your candidate. That's like me saying GW was a very eloquent speaker

It seems more of the "What if this terrible thing I just thought of is true" variety of conspiracy theories. Why are we even asking whether President Obama's mother was anti-American?

Because unless you're a fool you'd think it was very important when determining who should run the entire country. How one is raised effects their entire life. Did you seriously just type that? Way beneath your normal standard of posts IB.

Note, I didn't say anything about anyone being anti-American. I'm simply arguing the point of cause and effect of parenting.

[Marenta]

That's crap. How a child is raised has a HUGE role in determining their beliefs. It's their primary example as they grow and develop. I can't believe you even posted that shenanigans. There's is a very large chance that a child will follow suit, we just finished talking about this in another thread about impoverished children.

How many hard up stories do you know of children getting out of their "impoverished" lifestyle and being successful IN SPITE of the conditions they were raised in? It happens all the time.

In high school (very rural, bible belt area, corner of BFE and Middle Of Nowhere) there was a kid who you could say was a mix between skater punk and goth. He brought a bible to school and lit it on fire in the parking lot. He got suspended for a week over that. His father was the minister of one of the town's baptist churches.

I don't want to drag religion into this, but, this was the most clear example I could think of.

A parent teaching the basics of "right" and "wrong" are far different than superimposing that parent's ideals on children. That's not to say that it doesn't happen, though.

[IBCoupe]

Because unless you're a fool you'd think it was very important when determining who should run the entire country. How one is raised effects their entire life. Did you seriously just type that? Way beneath your normal standard of posts IB.

Note, I didn't say anything about anyone being anti-American. I'm simply arguing the point of cause and effect of parenting.

Sure, but my point is: why didn't we ask this about every other Presidential candidate in the history of the nation? I can totally see why it's probative, but I'm asking: on what basis are we given to wonder whether she was anti-American?

[WDRacing]

There is a higher % of children that will follow suit. Why do you think poverty only increases in scope. There are FAR fewer shining examples when compared to negative ones.

[WDRacing]

Because unless you're a fool you'd think it was very important when determining who should run the entire country. How one is raised effects their entire life. Did you seriously just type that? Way beneath your normal standard of posts IB.

Note, I didn't say anything about anyone being anti-American. I'm simply arguing the point of cause and effect of parenting.

Sure, but my point is: why didn't we ask this about every other Presidential candidate in the history of the nation? I can totally see why it's probative, but I'm asking: on what basis are we given to wonder whether she was anti-American?

Man, that makes me feel better. I thought you'd lost your mind for a sec. Even though we usually disagree, your posts don't usually make me wanna smack a b**** like Rick James.

As far as why we didn't ask before now, f*** if I know. Perhaps because the other POTUS's parents were American? I have no answer other then nobody highlighted it before now. I just assume that anyone running for POTUS will have been vetted a tad bit better.

I'm still trying to DL this damn thing.

[IBCoupe]

I don't understand why people think he wasn't vetted better. The only stuff that wasn't vetted was stuff that crazy people plain made up about him. You can't vett that.

[WDRacing]

Got me, I think they're all untrustworthy liars so...

[stebo0728]

Sure, but my point is: why didn't we ask this about every other Presidential candidate in the history of the nation? I can totally see why it's probative, but I'm asking: on what basis are we given to wonder whether she was anti-American?

That should be easy enough to understand. Vetting is a dynamic thing. Some small bit of information sparks a narrative in the public domain that then forms a requisite of further information. I could easily ask, as I have before, why haven't ALL presidents in times past been asked to divulge 10 plus years of tax returns? You'll answer by saying, "well it appears he may be a tax cheat, we need to clear that up". If thats fair, then its equally fair, when observing that a candidate's family is comprised of both non nationals, and citizens abroad, and indeed half the candidates childhood and "formative years" were spent abroad, I think that makes it a fair question, even if its never been a question before.

[IBCoupe]

Okay, but that still doesn't answer the question: on what bases are we given to wonder about whether she was anti-American?

[Marenta]

Wow.. okay. So, I watched the movie.

Who cares if he's a flying walrus that believes that Clark bars are going to be the salvation of all the plankton in the sea?

Personally, if his is anti-colonialism, then so is every isolationist out there. "Bring our boys home!" "Don't give foreign aid!" "Close up those military bases around the world!" "Fix our problems first!"

Blah blah blah. We are and have been the bully since WWII. We aren't altruistic in our intentions, that's clear. Rubbish!

[themadscientist]

You noticed that too?

[Bubba1]

Who cares if he's a flying walrus that believes that Clark bars are going to be the salvation of all the plankton in the sea?

Well, I don't believe for a moment Clark bars are going to be the salvation of all the plankton in the sea. But Snickers is another story.

[themadscientist]

It satisfies. No love for the Zagnut?