200sx VS. 240sx

Post by **GatorS14** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

stock 200sx se-r stick vs. s14 intake,exaust,automatic?

which one would you pick to win?

sorry if this has been asked before.

Post by **96_S14_SE** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

SE-R if you are talking about boring (drag) racing, Slushy equipped s-chassis cars are pigs. I know, I own a modded s14 and had a stock s13, both auto.

Edit: Plus it just has to be faster, its got the all mighty SR!!!!

Im a KA lover btw...

Post by **myRed240** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

wtf? which has the SR? Unless I missed something neither of these cars has the "all mighty SR!!!!." Oh yeah, I would pick the S14.

Post by **96_S14_SE** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

Um an se-r has an sr20, i did not say which varient of it, it had

And your talking about a painfull 16.6+ stock s14 time, with I/E not helping a whole lot as it is an automatic and looses at least 5% of the gained hp on a manual... Then there is the whole 2k stallspeed belting out blistering 2.4ish 60 foot times...

Post by **Former_240_s14** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

96_S14_SE wrote:Um an se-r has an sr20, i did not say which varient of it, it had

And your talking about a painfull 16.6+ stock s14 time, with I/E not helping a whole lot as it is an automatic and looses at least 5% of the gained hp on a manual... Then there is the whole 2k stallspeed belting out blistering 2.4ish 60 foot times...

The se-r would probably own an auto-s14. I hate to admit it but its true.

Post by **nissanrcer240** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

oh well at least theyre both nissans , lets compare the se-r to lets say...a civic:)

Post by **Former_240_s14** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

Good idea, or how about a se-r manual with a 240sx manual. Then, I think it would be alot closer.......hopefully : ), lol!

Post by **MaineExport** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

The 200sx SE-R is a nice car... but it is totally an economy car... not a sports car. They are not that fast (yes, neither is the 240sx) and stock for stock an trannys both being manual the 240 will edge it out. The deciding factor is your slush-box auto... and I think it'll be enough for the 200 to beat you.

And the SR20DE is not even CLOSE to the same as the SR20DET. OBviously no turbo, but the bottom end and head are completely differnt.

Post by **MasterMan** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

96_S14_SE wrote:Um an se-r has an sr20, i did not say which varient of it, it had

And your talking about a painfull 16.6+ stock s14 time, with I/E not helping a whole lot as it is an automatic and looses at least 5% of the gained hp on a manual... Then there is the whole 2k stallspeed belting out blistering 2.4ish 60 foot times...

hate to tell yea but the SE-R dosnt have an SR in it.. its a K somthing.. or Q somthing... i forget, my dad owns a 96 200SX SE-R 5-speed.. its quick.. but it depends on the 240 your raceing.. i cant really tell ya tho cuz my dads has I/H/E so its gotten quicker then its stock form.. i think stock it should run like a 16.5 maby more.. im just guessing here

Post by **96_S14_SE** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

Jesus guys take it as a joke and leave it....

I am well aware that the sr20de is different in an se-r then the sr20det.. I mean its the same design, with diff compression, intake manifold, cam duration, lack of oil squirters iirc, distributor vs direct ignition and so on....

The 200sx and classis se-r (replaced by the 200sx se-r) did have an sr20de in it, up untill 98. It wasnt till they brought it back, once again in sentra form like the classics se-r, that they switched to the QR25DE... I didnt forget.

Mabey your dad has 200sx ga16de badged as an se-r... While in nearly stock trim they pull high 17's and one guy I know with a ga16det runs mid 14.s hehe

The 240 will still get beat none the less, if the 200sx driver is half way decent, and the motor is in good condition.

edit: forgot get in still "get" beat

Post by **Former_240_s14** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

96_S14_SE wrote:The 200sx and classis se-r (replaced by the 200sx se-r) did have an sr20de in it, up untill 98.

He is absolutely correct, they do have sr20de's.

Post by **UncleBen** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

hey 96_s14_se, sounds like our auto's are exactly the same when it comes to mods/times. my auto '95 run's 16.6's (with no traction at takeoff). i got CAI and HKS Hiper.

my buddy has a '95 200sx SE-R 5spd, and it will hand my car its arse. i've driven the SE-R, and its faster. just cause its lighter and a 5spd, though. it has no mods except a cone-style intake filter and its lowered.

Post by **96_S14_SE** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

I actually run a 15.7 at about 87-88mph (I could find it out of the many slips to be for sure though), with true sealed ram air - jwt pop - thermally wrapped HS intake pipe, S13 cams, alti' electric fans, HS header, single (of the infamous dual) cat, and N1. That should be it for the power adders minus small removal items like TB coolant line egr and so on..... Then there is the suspension as well which is a bit better and why I mostly attend auto-x's anymore...

The auto makes it difficult to stay NA without any power adders like nitrous, or going flat out turbo. You're so gratefull to get a 10th its rather funny. I was so happy when I got out of the 16's and my last goal was a 15.6 having gotten a few 15.70x runs, and basically given up on it though...

I have 111k - 112k miles on my engine as well hehe the transmission has held up for the past 80k in my hands in the last 3 years though so Im happy hehe

Post by **UncleBen** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

wow. car is fast. course you have a few more mods than me, but thats still sweet. i hope to be high 15's when i get the 5spd. i better be at least, heh. i have an open diff. which sucks. i can't wait to break 16.6!!! LOL

Post by **Dano** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

i cant wait till u do either!!! lol, id say IIII cant wait, but.....i hate u and ure hookups Ben!!! lol, just playin :pface

-Dan

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

MasterMan wrote:hate to tell yea but the SE-R dosnt have an SR in it.. its a K somthing.. or Q somthing... i forget, my dad owns a 96 200SX SE-R 5-speed.. its quick.. but it depends on the 240 your raceing.. i cant really tell ya tho cuz my dads has I/H/E so its gotten quicker then its stock form.. i think stock it should run like a 16.5 maby more.. im just guessing here

Uh...yeah, the SE-R DOES have the SR in it. 91-94 Sentra SE-R's, 95-98 200SX SE-R's, and 98-01 Sentra SE's, all have the SR.

They didn't start using the QR until 02. I've owned a 98 and currently own an 02, and have been around SE-R's a long time.

Also, stock vs. stock, an SR powered will beat a 240SX, regardless of transmission (well, a manual 240 vs. auto SE-R will probably win).

I know of a guy who ran a 14.9 in an SE-R with just an intake. I think it was a 200SX. Sure, that's the fastest I've heard of being that stock, but none the less....a 240sx doesn't exactly come close to that. Most B13 SE-R's run low 15's stock.

I'm not trying to say SE-R's are better, so don't take offense. I'm simply saying which is faster stock vs. stock. I like 240's just as much.

And as for the SR20DE being *completely* different than the SR20DET....it's not that big of difference. The bottom end is the same except for different compression. Same crank, same rods, same block, etc. That's why SR20DE's take turbo's VERY well

More so than the KA24DE's. Bottom line is...the SE-R is no sloutch.

But hey, both can spank a Civic EX (I purposely did not say SI, because a good SI driver can take a 240sx, and run neck and neck with a se-r), and that's all that matters anyway, right?

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

EZcheese15 wrote:Uh...yeah, the SE-R DOES have the SR in it. 91-94 Sentra SE-R's, 95-98 200SX SE-R's, and 98-01 Sentra SE's, all have the SR.

They didn't start using the QR until 02. I've owned a 98 and currently own an 02, and have been around SE-R's a long time.

Also, stock vs. stock, an SR powered will beat a 240SX, regardless of transmission (well, a manual 240 vs. auto SE-R will probably win).

I know of a guy who ran a 14.9 in an SE-R with just an intake. I think it was a 200SX. Sure, that's the fastest I've heard of being that stock, but none the less....a 240sx doesn't exactly come close to that. Most B13 SE-R's run low 15's stock.

I'm not trying to say SE-R's are better, so don't take offense. I'm simply saying which is faster stock vs. stock. I like 240's just as much.

And as for the SR20DE being *completely* different than the SR20DET....it's not that big of difference. The bottom end is the same except for different compression. Same crank, same rods, same block, etc. That's why SR20DE's take turbo's VERY well More so than the KA24DE's. Bottom line is...the SE-R is no sloutch.

But hey, both can spank a Civic EX (I purposely did not say SI, because a good SI driver can take a 240sx, and run neck and neck with a se-r), and that's all that matters anyway, right?

very true, i have an o2 altima with the QR in it, and an auto 4spd, and ALWAYS take my friends 93 s13 5spd, with ease, and my car isnt exactly blistering fast (sory mike, but my car is still faster)

Post by **UncleBen** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

nissan seems to have given most of their cars good, powerful motors EXCEPT the 240sx. the 90-96 Z's got good power, the SE-R's got good power, the 240sx got, well torquey motors with no power (and RWD thank God). i have thought about sending hate mail to nissan about it, but they are making some amazing machines right now, and the 240sx is very easily made fast. i won't complain much.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

95silviase wrote:nissan seems to have given most of their cars good, powerful motors EXCEPT the 240sx. the 90-96 Z's got good power, the SE-R's got good power, the 240sx got, well torquey motors with no power (and RWD thank God). i have thought about sending hate mail to nissan about it, but they are making some amazing machines right now, and the 240sx is very easily made fast. i won't complain much.

rite, they made up for hte 240s power loss in other areas, hell hte new SE-R has a 2.5L 175hp 180tq motor and a 6 speed, cant complain too much bout that (except for gears being kinda short), and the maximas, altimas, 350z (which i think could be faster), and even the frontier have nice power, hell the frontier has an optional supercharger, i just think nissan shouldve given us silvias, plain and simple, and its not that a KA isnt a good block, but teh SR was just so much better and easier to work with, the QR at times doesnt seem too promising, but when i drive it, i forget about all the downfalls of hte motor, i just like driving, and if a QR is what i have, then its what im happy with, sure id like a 98 240 SE 5spd (which i saw in news on wheels for 9k with 17k miles!!!!, i wanna call on that one!!) with an sr20det putting out 212hp stock!!< but atleast mitsu with the EVO, and subaru with the WRX/STi are catching on that america wants the cars too, hopefully companies like nissan will soon follow

Post by **GatorS14** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

so the conclusion is ..... doesnt look good for s14 w/ automatic. But if the s14 and 200sx were eqaully modded with the "same transmission" the s14 would have to prevail.1).4 liters displacement 2) rwd (less chance of wheel hop)

Things going for 200sx1) i believe the 200sx's weigh less

s14 w/ redtop VS. 200sx w/fwd sr20det ??????????????? (both eqaully modded)

which one?

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

GatorS14 wrote:so the conclusion is ..... doesnt look good for s14 w/ automatic. But if the s14 and 200sx were eqaully modded with the "same transmission" the s14 would have to prevail.1).4 liters displacement 2) rwd (less chance of wheel hop)

Things going for 200sx1) i believe the 200sx's weigh less

s14 w/ redtop VS. 200sx w/fwd sr20det ??????????????? (both eqaully modded)

which one?

Depends with FWD SR20DET. But if it's a BB DET, then they would be just as close as stock.

Oh, and as far as the 240sx having less wheel hop....not really. Theoretically it should, but 240's have tons of wheel hop. Not to mention, *ALL* 91-97 SE-R's have VLSD. That's a big advantage right there. But 200SX's have relatively the same wheel hop as a 240SX. I used to be able to pull low 2.2 60' times in my 98 SE-R with stock tires, and that was with an open diff. A '96 should be better simply because of the VLSD.

I can pull 2.1 60' times in my 02 SE-R with stock tires. How many 240's can do that with stock tires/suspension? I'm sure it can be done....it's just rare.

Post by **GatorS14** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

i thought rwd cars had little but mostly no wheel hop.(ive never seen a 240 wheel hop)My sentra's wheels would hop though.

does the 200sx weigh less?

i didnt know that about the vlsd.

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

GatorS14 wrote:i thought rwd cars had little but mostly no wheel hop.(ive never seen a 240 wheel hop)My sentra's wheels would hop though.

does the 200sx weigh less?

i didnt know that about the vlsd.

A B14 is about 2700 lbs. I've seen some terrible wheel hop in some S14's.

Post by **GatorS14** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

so they basicly weigh the same.

It basicly comes down to .4 liters of displacement or vlsd which some 240sx's have. hmmmmmm. sounds like we need to round this race up some how.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

yea, a road race, and then a trip to the strip would clear this up, if hte 240 had an lsd, id put my money on the 240, other that that, .4 liters or not, the se-r has ya

Post by **MaineExport** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

nlzmo400r wrote:yea, a road race, and then a trip to the strip would clear this up, if hte 240 had an lsd, id put my money on the 240, other that that, .4 liters or not, the se-r has ya

I'll put my "almost" stock 240 up aginst an equally modded 200 any day... and I'll come out on top... everytime!!!

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

nitto1320 wrote:A 240 sx is way better than a 200sx because a 240 sx has a better engine in it!!

Are you smoking crack? I think it's unbiased to say the SR is a better engine than the KA, stock vs. stock. And I even love the KA.

Post by **Stoneage_Turbo** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

you get a 200sx on the track, stripd be a diffrent story

the other sr20 powered front drivers youd have to watch esp ..

nx2000 5 speed,91-96 G20 5 speed, these will be out in front of you on the road coarse with that slush box you got , the only way around em and my g20 was to out power it on the strights , something the KA powered cars couldnt seem to do

skid pad on the P-10 chassis G20 was .84 cant remeber the 240s number , G20s were freaks tho , for a front drive car they acuauly surpised me , probably why i love em so much , alot of it had to do with the front suspension on it , it was never seen on another front drive nissan before or since

Post by **jEzTeR** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

Im a big fan of both but id have to go for the SE-R.I drove a black 200sx the other day and was impressed.Id love to see this match up in real life on the track.

BTW:if you match up the new(02 and up) Spec V the SE-R puts the 240's down.Ive taken out both the s13 & s14 both mostly stock.All in good fun.

Torry whats up with a 200sx vs Spec V?

YouTube · Post by **EZcheese15** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:32 am

jEzTeR wrote:Im a big fan of both but id have to go for the SE-R.I drove a black 200sx the other day and was impressed.Id love to see this match up in real life on the track.

BTW:if you match up the new(02 and up) Spec V the SE-R puts the 240's down.Ive taken out both the s13 & s14 both mostly stock.All in good fun.

Torry whats up with a 200sx vs Spec V?

My 98 SE-R ran a 16.0 as my best time ever. I had the following mods:

JWT intake, JUN flywheel, C's short throw shifter

My 02 SE-R ran a 15.4 completely stock. I have yet to run it with it's current mods (and running correctly for once), but I expect high 14's. I have Hotshot Header, JWT intake, BRM exhaust, Removed balance shafts.

So an 02 SE-R will kill a B14 SE-R. With the rare exception of some "wednesday-built" 200SX's. Like I said, I know of a guy who ran 14.9 in a 200SX with just a JWT intake. But that is rare.

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