10s or 12s, what's your preference?

Post by **lofapoo** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

What do you perfer in subs sizes? 10s, 12s, something else?

Also, one, two, ...three subs? :p

I'm just wondering what people are running, or what people would run if they could.

Post by **whiterps13** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

my plan is to run one orian h2 12" powered by a hifonics brutus BX1500D amp. one sub saves weight, and in my opinion its cooler to pound one sub extremely hard than to power two subs just hard..

Post by **Rex** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

I've had 8's, 10's, 12's & 15's and to be completely honest, I'd go with either 4 - 8's or 2 10's. The "snappiness" of 8's really give some punch to a system.But if you really want low end a sinlge 15 is the way to go.

Post by **Simmsled** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

I've had 6.5s, 8s, 10s, 12s, 15s, and 18s as subs. I believe that there is no real answer to which sub is best. Depending on what kind of music you listen to, I do believe that you can choose what is best for you.

Techno, House, Rock, Metal... 10'sJazz, Rap, R&B, Classical, Country ... 12's

There are a few things that we probably would all agree with. Companies build subs to either have high SPL, low frequency response, and/or sound quality so there is usually a trade off to get a little bit of it all.For all practical purposes 1 12 with lots of power is going to be great. The 12 is aruguably the best all around sub. Sound quality, spl, and low frequency response. I wouldnt go with less than 2 10s though if you have an actual trunk. Whatever sound you are going for, adjust for size with quantity.

I do want to add that Rex is on to something with the whole 15 idea. Way to go man! It has taken countless systems for me to figure out what I love to hear when it comes to bass in the car. I love being able to hear the bass that is really down there. I suggest listening to the Beastie Boys album that came out around 1999 or so to see what I mean. Go to the track that starts out with "THIS ONE IS FOR....SOUTH HOLLOW" (track 22 or so I think) and the beat right after that will either shake the fillings in your teeth or be lost in bass space. True hi-fi is audible and accurate reproduction of frequencies 20hz-20,000hz. It is true that 15s cannot move as fast as 8's for that "snappy bass" but that is why there is a thing called mid-bass. That mid-bass is where that snap really comes from. 6.5s, 5x7s, and 6x9s can reproduce that kick. If you have any of those sizes in your car, sound dampen them and set your crossovers at around 70hz. Then you will be able to enjoy a 15, its SPL, and incredible low frequency response. That is what I like.

As with designing every system, careful thought of what you really want will yield the greatest results. Everybody has different tastes, different cars, and different budgets. So design around those factors and you cannot go wrong.

Post by **ayjay** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

eight 18's sounds best

Post by **Simmsled** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

Quote »eight 18's sounds best[/quote]

that is, if you are into making your friend's ears bleed

then as you guys grow old you can make bi-yearly visits to Miracle Ear to get their batteries replaced with each other. WOOHOO!!

Post by **ayjay** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

meh my best friends dad sells hearing aids... so no worries, i already have the hookup

Post by **Rex** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

Ok, I'll make one more (for now) subjective statement. If you've got a hatch go bigger, if it's a coupe/sedan then fit whatever (8's, 10's, 12's) you can get as close to the cabbin as possible.

The 15 I had was in a CRX and that car's just made for "loading", so the sub "crammed" in a small box hit well, but still allowed for some incredible low end. Years before that I had a 81 Cutlass and I had2 10's crammed up on the shelf against the rear seat and the in-car bass was real hard hitting. There were guys with 2 15's or even 18's firing against the trunk lid and ported into the car, but the bass was more for outside of the car, than in it.

Coupe or HB?

Post by **AustinSilvia** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

depends on the sub and what kind of sound quality you care about. if you want to listen to the music then get high quality subs, and it won't really matter what size. when you just want loud, not such great sounding stuff for like bass cds and what not, go buy some fosgates or something. talking about sizes really isn't all that important. i mean the hcca orion 12's would out perform other 15's as far as loudness. it's more about quality. personally i LOVE boston pro series subs. i have 2 12's and they are the best sounding i have ever heard. i've heard all kinds of subs such as fosgate, jl audio, orion, and i actually even like them as much as the mbquart's i tested out. mb quart and the bostons were about the same price range and quality. the ones i mentioned before weren't even competition as far as sound quality goes. anyway that's my opinion. i'm sure there are better ones out there but for the price i really felt like bostons were the best.

Website · Post by **creophus** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

12s. I tried 10s, but they just didn't do it for me so I went to 12s.

Post by **lofapoo** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

My friend has a pair of 10" Fosgates powered by a Lightning Audio amp. and it sounds pretty good, but it lacks in some areas which I find necessary, yet I can't explain them :p

And I'm driving a coupe (XE) so I don't have a very large trunk to work with :\

But I do agree, 8 18s would probably be the best

Post by **candela** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

What would you guys recommend for some decent (keep in mind I am a ****ign stereo noob like whoa and I have only had 2 fosgate 10's once and they were old and I thought those were badass :p) bass for my 6 speaker S14? I have some ok (better than stock) replacement 6.5"s all around and the tweets in teh pillars. I just want a little bass added to the system.

Should I get one ten? I woudl like crisp, fast responding sharp bass. I have no idea what size to get or what brand. I dont want to have to upgrade all my speakers with an amp either. Just something that can be heard pretty good that mixes well with the stock stuff....

Thanks!

Post by **AustinSilvia** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

what is your budget?

Post by **candela** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

not sure... watcha got (i saw your other post).

[email protected]

Post by **AustinSilvia** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

i wouldn't reccommend what i have if the speakers you bought aren't high end... the subs i have are great but it's like you'll have great subs and mediocre mids and highs. you won't really get to use the subs to their potential because they will overpower he mids and highs. if you're looking for something good to compliment your speakers just buy like 1 10 or something like that with lots of power. it'll be quick and good. 12's are my preference like i said above, but it all depends on your budget. if you get a really good 10 and good power you will be satisified, trust me. like i said it's all about quality. and especially if you want really quick responsive speakers, well then smaller is good. any more questions or specific speakers i would reccommend just post up again, and let me know exactly what you have and how much you want to spend.

Post by **candela** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

well what do you think of this?

and this for an amp to power it?

Keep in mind I know nothign about this. I dont know what Ohms mean, what type of speaker is ideal, magnet size or any of that stuff.... Like I said I have only replacement Alpine 2-ways 6.5" all around and the tweets in the a-pillar all running off the factory bose deck and some small little clarion amps under the deck lid. I just want something that will sound nice with this stuff (though i wouldn't mind pushing the 4 6.5's a little harder to with a 4channel amp)....

Post by **Rex** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

Ok, first nice call by AustinSilvia in letting candela know he's got stuff that might not be "right" for him. That's what NICO is about.

candela - Profile IMHO is the KIA/Hyundai of Car Audio. Take a look on CBR Stereo they have pretty good stuff and have several 10's under $100. Then you can spend a few more bucks on your amp.

Post by **candela** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

cool thanks for the heads up...

Post by **AustinSilvia** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

first off no problem rex... and thanks for noticing.okay, so moving along... keep in mind that just because an amp says 300 watts or something like that doesn't necessarily mean it's a true 300 watts. i have seen a sony xplode amp for a couple hundred (like $200) that advertises like 900 watts... i would pit my 500 watt jl amp against two of those things any day of the week. what i'm getting at is like profile california or whatever.. well i have never had any experience with that stuff at all. never even heard of it. and if i couldn't test it before purchasing there is no way i would do it. you would be better off going to like circuit city, becasue then at least you know what you are getting, and what it'll sound like. oh by the way ohms is a resistance value... it just refers to what resistance the speaker provides in the circuit. basically the main purpose of electricty is to overcome resistance and then whatever is left over can be applied to the load (in this case your speakers or subs). so basically the lower the resistance the more power the speakers will get. so like a 2 ohm sub versus a 4 ohm sub. well the 2 ohm sub has the ability to extract more power because less effort is going into overcoming its resistance. it's all electrical stuff. haha i dont know if i want to explian or attempt to explain it all... maybe that explanation will suffice. anyone else want to take a crack at it?

well back to your speakers. basically name brand things will be the way to go when you dont know too much about it all. or find someone that has had experience with different systems. the first system i ever owned was polk audio mids and highs and jbl subs in a bandpass box (a vented box). those jbls did an alright job. they cost me like 200 bucks for 2 10" subs and a bandpass box. HAHA actually i just thought about it i still have those... they are at my dads house. i could test them out for you to see if they still are okay and then let you know. i'd give those to you for like $40 or $50 but the only thing is you would have to pay for shipping. well i've got finals and stuff to deal with this weekend but next week i will do that for sure. i had given them to my brother and he just never got an amp to use them. OH CRAP I JUST NOTICED... YOU LIVE IN AUSTIN? i could bring them up to my place in pflugerville and you can come look at them. and i could give you advice on amps to power em. hey reply to this post and let me know. you do live in austin right? or are you in AZ?

Post by **AustinSilvia** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

haha i need to start paying more attention to names... you posted up on my for sale page too... duhhhh

Post by **candela** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

Yah that was me :p heheheh

WEll Im not sure if i want a huge box. I am just contenplating putting 2 8" subs in teh deck where teh stock 6.5's are and gettgin some nice omponents up front and a decent 4 channel amp

Post by **AustinSilvia** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

okay. i was just thinking you weren't living in the same area. if you change your mind and want these 10's i'll let you have both for 20 bucks. and if you want the box you can have that too. they are just collecting dust right now, well the box is anyway. about putting the 8"s in the stock location. well that could work provided you build an enclosure for them to fit underneath the stock location. the only problem is that the trunk bar thing that swings when you open it will be in the way. i think. you may want to check that, but off the top of my head that sounds like it is right. anyway you may be better off getting some subs and putting them in the trunk and keeping the regular speakers in the regular spot. there are other options of making it look really sweet and not compromising space and weight... like mounting them in the rear side panels (where the armrest is for rear passengers), or like in the trunk on the side where the little cabinets are for storage. let me know what you think. i mean me selling you the subs is not a big deal to me, but i mean it might save you some money and get the subs that are just sitting there out where they can be used.

Post by **AustinSilvia** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

oh by the way mounting anything in the rear deck is a pain in the ***... even mounting stock speakers there is a pain... trust me i just went through that.

Post by **matt4pl** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

i got two kenwood 10's in a bypass box (its got 4 ports surrounding the area there the subs face each other at an angle). i have a 500watt crunch amp bolted onto the back of my rear seat, and i just fold down the seat when i get in. sounds pretty damn good to me and having the subs facing and pounding into the cabin helps a lot. i got 220wt 3-ways in rear and 160wt 2 ways up front with a-pillar tweeters (all pioneer) and a pioneer ph-6400 HU. my stuff might not be the best. but when i drive any other car, i miss my music so bad... btw, i got the subs and amp and box(costum made box) for $150 and a the wiring kit for free (its like $50 at a store)

Post by **candela** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

Well crap $20 for that sounds good to me... Id do it. Lemme know when and where man. Thanks,

Austin

Post by **AustinSilvia** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

ok probably like monday or some time this next week. i'll email you or post up here or whatever.

Post by **AustinSilvia** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

holy **** dude.. candela you won the national convention thing??? that is freaking awesome!! i just went to that site for the first tim today and saw you won. that is soo sweet.

Post by **candela** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

hahaha oh ya!!! you know it man!! :p Are you going to the convention? You will LOVE it if you do go... I am from AZ and am moving back later this month. We always have badass caravans going up there... people from TX and NM are planning on joining us on their way to Vegas.

Anyhow hit me up on AIM (noahrexion) cause there is a BBQ meet up at SPL you should go man! Later,

Austin

PS- its funny what this thread turned into...

Post by **lofapoo** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

Quote »PS- its funny what this thread turned into...[/quote]

Keeps the thread up top so I get more replies :p

So far it looks like I'll be going with 2 12s if my budget will allow me! :rolleyes

Post by **aspinballer** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:56 am

i got a single 12" for sound quality, $15 at local pawn shop, was new and retailed for $350 (overpriced MSRP) had it for 3 years now

my boi has 2 10" Alpine E's from crutchfield for $120, and they hit real nice with great SQ.

10s or 12s, what's your preference?

10s or 12s, what's your preference?

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