$100 6ltr long block sound pretty good?

[240cp]

Well i talked to my cousing today and he said he's got a 6.0 long block sitting around his work he can sell me for 100.00. It doesnt have a intake or none of the accesories. I was thinking going carbed. I have a question involving the edelbrock intake carb adapter. It says in the description it has a ignition box to pic up the map, cam, and cas. Question is can i get that box seperately? Ive looked around and cant find it anywhere. EDIT : found what i was looking for. They have it at summit racing for 312.00 here is the link if anyone else is interested.

http://store.summitracing.com/...w=sku

Some might hate me for this as far as transmission goes i think i might adapt the ka transmission to the lq4 for a while. I really dont have the funds to shell out at least a grand for the t56. I also thought about maybe adapting the 350z transmission aswell. But atleast for now i know the stocker can handle 300hp.


Modified by 240cp at 4:52 PM 12/18/2007

[Joe]

your ka transmission will eat itself to pieces with the torque of a V8. **** they blow up with 300hp SR's.

a LS/Q swap is NOT A BUDGET SWAP.

do it right the first time or youll be doing it again!

and you think having an adapter made isnt going to cost you $1000? this isnt like adapting a Z32 trans to a SR man. your in for a WORLD of headaches trying that.

[Blown240sx]

If you dont buy it I will.

[240cp]

Sorry, but its already had!

[240cp]

I know ls/q swaps arent a budget swap by all means. When i said i dont have it right now doesnt mean i wont ever. But i bet there are plenty of ka-t guys willing to say the ka transmission can hold what 300- 340 torque. And as far as an adapter plate well that can be made for cheap by myself.

Aint watty got the same thing going with his swap? I know it aint exactly a ls/q but still the 1uz has got to lay down some pretty good numbers. Also i havent made my mind up solid on this its just a thought. Ive got alot ahead of me to worry about besides the transmission . Anyways i appreciate you chiming in on this.

I am going home for the holidays this friday and i will be picking up the engine then, so i will get pics of it up soon and keep progress up from there.

[redtop91]

your ka transmission will eat itself to pieces with the torque of a V8. **** they blow up with 300hp SR's.

I'm going to have to disagree with this one. I defer to your knowledge though so I'll say that in my experience the stock transmission is better than people give it credit for. IIRC there are people with junkyard trannies in the 400's. It's a stout unit.

[Joe]

I'm going to have to disagree with this one. I defer to your knowledge though so I'll say that in my experience the stock transmission is better than people give it credit for. IIRC there are people with junkyard trannies in the 400's. It's a stout unit.

i look at stoutness a little different than most because of track use

400 in a street car is a little different than one that lives on a racetrack.

sure some do hold 400, but look at the overall picture. 400 is really pushing the limits of that transmissions capability to hold reliably for a long period of time.

[redtop91]

definitely not an overall great transmission for regular track abuse, but then again, what 4 cylinder motor transmission really is?

[jerryd87]

just wanted you to know that if its a 6.0L its not an ls1 its an ls2, they may both be from the ls family but there are differences mainly its 400hp/trq stock and if its being built as the carbbed version its 440hp/404trq and thats if you build it to gms specs if you add upgraded parts the number will only rise(i work for gm and double checked the numbers just to be sure),the ls1/lt1 is a 5.7L.(gm has never made a 6.0 from the factory other then the ls2) if you cant afford a t56 i highly recommend the t5 which is the 5 speed from the v6 camaro/firebirds,all lt1 cars, foxbody and 90's 5 speed mustangs and a host of other people the are all the same trans with different bellhousings made by tremec(previously borg warner) the 5 speed isnt as strong but is still a very good trans

[240cp]

Cool, good info to know. But my engine isnt a ls1/2 its the truck version i believe the code is lq4 6.0. I believe it is out of a silverado, but then again it could be from a yukon denali. I will check to see.

[Joe]

just wanted you to know that if its a 6.0L its not an ls1 its an ls2, they may both be from the ls family but there are differences mainly its 400hp/trq stock and if its being built as the carbbed version its 440hp/404trq and thats if you build it to gms specs if you add upgraded parts the number will only rise(i work for gm and double checked the numbers just to be sure),the ls1/lt1 is a 5.7L.(gm has never made a 6.0 from the factory other then the ls2) if you cant afford a t56 i highly recommend the t5 which is the 5 speed from the v6 camaro/firebirds,all lt1 cars, foxbody and 90's 5 speed mustangs and a host of other people the are all the same trans with different bellhousings made by tremec(previously borg warner) the 5 speed isnt as strong but is still a very good trans

a good ls2 block for $100?

does not exist. its a truck (iron) block. those are a dime a dozen.

[240cp]

Talked to my cousin a little more today and found out what the motor came out of. Its actually the lq9 from a 2500 silverado, 02 model. Which means 345 hp and 380tq. So looks like i will definately not be adapting the ka transmission to it.

On a better note the lq9 has better rods and flat top pistons with a little higher copression ratio, 10.1 i believe. .

Anyways gone start searching around ebay to try and find some coils and harness for it, as it is short them. then gone get the msd ignition controller and the edelbrock carburated intake a little later as fund get better.

[jerryd87]

dont let anyone fool you there the same difference except for the block and possibley the computer chip(which gm is doing away with to cut costs starting with the ls3 in the 08 vett/10camaro) the ls2 is a aluminum block while the truck engine is a iron, truck block can be built to a higher hp range but wieghts more. inside is the same, crank,rods,pistons cam valvetrain double checked and your numbers are right exhaust and computer detune cause the slight loss in tq and major loss in hp truck engine is tune to engage the tq at a lower rpm though, im personally not investing in them. waiting for the ls4(next in the ls/lq linup is going to be a 6.2L dohc engine *drool*)

[Joe]

the majority of the torque/hp differences are internal with compression, camshaft and manifolds. it has little to do with the tune

and the ls4 already exists.

its FWD.

[Blown240sx]

The LQ9 block will dominate a LS series motor if both are built because of the shear fact you can bore and stroker a Iron block to 429+ a LS1 can only be bored maybe a thousandth if that and aluminum tends to be weaker that iron. Im installing a LQ9 in my car right now and its a 408 stroker and it will dominate my LS1 I had in my car.

My LS1 put down 390/370 the LQ9 will be close to 450/480 if not more and will be able to hold a 250 shot of nitrous.

Also to the starter of this thread all of the LS1 things will work on this motor but you will have a problem with the Alt bracket. 1 bolt will not have a spot and another will have to be tapped into the block. The two bolts that are on the bracket will hold the alternator. Also remember if you put heads on it the cambers on the 6.0 are 70 cc if you use LS1 heads you drop to 62 cc which will raise compression and make sure your pistons dont come out of the cylinder bore any. If so you cant use 62cc chambers.

[mantis]

Just remember that the added weight will change the handling!!

[jerryd87]

thats not the ls4, its not in production yet(since the ls3 hasnt even been out for 6 months yet) thats just a standard vortec motor all of gms v8 have displacement on demand now. gms engine familys are the standard vortec,the ls series, and the northstar series, previously only the northstar had dohc, looks like they just started doing it with the vortec line and ls will be last to get it, dosnt matter though the ls has always been the low cost high power engine(im including the lq series in there too cuz they are the same engine family just som minor differences like the block material and such). the aluminum engine can handle some decent power and there are companys that make sleeves for it so you can bore/stroke it bigger not sure who it is though ive seen 1khp twin turbo ls2's but if your going for that kinda power i would just go for the lsx block all aluminum capable of 2.5khp and able to be bored to like 470 something iirc and its a small block. sorry to get off topic here just figured i could share the knowledge :P btw what car is that out of? i havnt heard of anything with the vortec set up like that for fwd usually just cadillacs are setup like that with the northstar

[Z28ricer]

Wow, what a box of misinformation this guy is, please anyone reading this post, just begin disreguarding anything he says..

The 6.0 was available as engine codes LQ4 and LQ9.

Highly recommend the T5 ? Are you kidding me ? The T5 is well known to be a fragile box of gears, probably no better than the stock trans behind any KA or SR, not to mention the T5 never rolled off the production line behind an LT1 equipped vehicle.

just wanted you to know that if its a 6.0L its not an ls1 its an ls2, they may both be from the ls family but there are differences mainly its 400hp/trq stock and if its being built as the carbbed version its 440hp/404trq and thats if you build it to gms specs if you add upgraded parts the number will only rise(i work for gm and double checked the numbers just to be sure),the ls1/lt1 is a 5.7L.(gm has never made a 6.0 from the factory other then the ls2) if you cant afford a t56 i highly recommend the t5 which is the 5 speed from the v6 camaro/firebirds,all lt1 cars, foxbody and 90's 5 speed mustangs and a host of other people the are all the same trans with different bellhousings made by tremec(previously borg warner) the 5 speed isnt as strong but is still a very good trans

Then on to the quote below, same difference except for the "computer chip" GM's last year for a "chip" in an F / Y body would be 93, starting in 1994 they went EEPROM so your whole "chip" difference is a bit dated, and how do you propose GM is gonna get rid of this supposed "chip" now ? , let alone you trying to argue with people on the LS4, its the 5.3 DOD 303 HP variant of the gen3/4 engine family used in the FWD SS.

dont let anyone fool you there the same difference except for the block and possibley the computer chip(which gm is doing away with to cut costs starting with the ls3 in the 08 vett/10camaro) the ls2 is a aluminum block while the truck engine is a iron, truck block can be built to a higher hp range but wieghts more. inside is the same, crank,rods,pistons cam valvetrain double checked and your numbers are right exhaust and computer detune cause the slight loss in tq and major loss in hp truck engine is tune to engage the tq at a lower rpm though, im personally not investing in them. waiting for the ls4(next in the ls/lq linup is going to be a 6.2L dohc engine *drool*)

[240cp]

Well got my engine today, and as suspected it aint in the best of condition. Real grimmy and can tell the motor has alot of miles, ? on how many exactly but it's up there. Hell its to be expected its out of an 02 model. But anyways i have already started to tear it down and take a look around inside. Everything looks ok but i think i am going to rebuild it just to be safe.

I got a couple ?'s, is it a fact that all ls/q engines have aluminum heads? Cause these things are f'n heavy.

2. Can anyone point me to a good rebuild kit for a lq9, ive looked around and cant really find much?

Well thats all for now im sure more will surface but thats it. thanks


Modified by 240cp at 10:47 AM 1/1/2008

[Z28ricer]

99-00 i believe were the two years the truck engines had iron heads.

Well got my engine today, and as suspected it aint in the best of condition. Real grimmy and can tell the motor has alot of miles, ? on how many exactly but it's up there. Hell its to be expected its out of an 02 model. But anyways i have already started to tear it down and take a look around inside. Everything looks ok but i think i am going to rebuild it just to be safe.

I got a couple ?'s, is it a fact that all ls/q engines have aluminum heads? Cause these things are f'n heavy.

2. Can anyone point me to a good rebuild kit for a lq9, ive looked around and cant really find much?

3. How you supposed to get the rods of the crank? Its solid. Yeah it has two bolts but from what i see they aint doin crap. I have read that you have to make a cut but i wasnt very sure on believing that????????

Well thats all for now im sure more will surface but thats it. thanks

[240cp]

Did some cast number searching and found that they did have iron heads between 99-01. What sucks is that my cousin was confused, the engine i have must have come from a 01 instead of a 02. It has iron heads.

[jerryd87]

Wow, what a box of misinformation this guy is, please anyone reading this post, just begin disreguarding anything he says..

The 6.0 was available as engine codes LQ4 and LQ9.

Highly recommend the T5 ? Are you kidding me ? The T5 is well known to be a fragile box of gears, probably no better than the stock trans behind any KA or SR, not to mention the T5 never rolled off the production line behind an LT1 equipped vehicle.

Then on to the quote below, same difference except for the "computer chip" GM's last year for a "chip" in an F / Y body would be 93, starting in 1994 they went EEPROM so your whole "chip" difference is a bit dated, and how do you propose GM is gonna get rid of this supposed "chip" now ? , let alone you trying to argue with people on the LS4, its the 5.3 DOD 303 HP variant of the gen3/4 engine family used in the FWD SS.

sorry but your the one who is a box of misinformation, the ls4 isnt available yet you posted a picture of a vortec a very different engine. vortecs have "D" shaped ports, ls series has "cathedral" shaped, combustion champers on the vortec is heart shaped with ls being figure 8 shaped, the vortec has 1.89 or 1.94 intake valves stock while the ls series is 2.00 or 2.05 stock, the intakes are different design and bolt pattern, vortec is 2 bolt(not sure if they still make 2 bolt) or 4 bolt block, ls series is 6 bolt, different bolt pattern and design for oil pan cylinder heads may be a different bolt pattern but im not 100% so i wont say on that subject they are very different engines the base engine for the ls is a 350 or 5.7L and grows from there up to a 426 or 7.0L stock i believe vortecs may dip into the 4L area but not sure and going up to the 6.0(but different the the ls series by above mentioned differences) 5.3L has always been a vortec and it has been the most mass produced of the vortecs and as far as the "chip" thing go its a different "tune" in the ecm i know theres know "chip" in a gm module we go through at least one a week here at the dealership and if it where false then how come when i take a ls1 camaro and dyno it i get 300hp at the wheels yet when i reflash the ecu with a corvette vin i get 340 at the wheels? and as far as the t5 goes im suggesting and aftermarket trans i would never go with a junkyard trans not sure about your area but in my area they want like 600-700 for em and theres no warrenty it may not even work they seem to think there worth tons since they came out of firebirds camaros and mustangs, you can get an aftermarket one good to 500hp for about 1200 it may not be as bulletproof as the t56 but its also only half the price brand new my step dads got a t5 in his 89 mustang pushing 350HP and he beats the crap out of it and its fine(thats 350 at the wheels). i dont appreciate you insulting me when im trying to share information especially since the only experience you seem to have is from books and the internet and i deal with these engines everyday
Modified by jerryd87 at 7:57 AM 12/26/2007

[Z28ricer]

The LS4 is a smaller 5.3 L (325 in³) version of the Generation IV block. Though it has the same displacement as the Vortec 5300 LH6, it differs in that it has an aluminum block rather than an iron one and it uses the same cylinder head as the Generation III LS6 engine.

A version of this engine is adapted for transverse front-wheel drive application. In order to fit into the smaller engine compartments designed for V-6s, the LS4 engine block had to be shortened by one inch. Displacement on Demand is also used. Output of this version is 303 hp (226 kW) and 323 ft·lbf (438 N·m).

Applications:

2006-2008 Chevrolet Impala SS 2006-2007 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 2005-2008 Pontiac Grand Prix GXP 2008 Buick LaCrosse Super

Thank you, please dont come again, but please do learn your RPO's

And T5's are weak because of the case, rebuild or buy it new all you want, its still going to be weaker.

Oh and please learn the difference between a Gen 1 based vortec engine and all the Gen 3/4 based engines currently used in the truck, maybe since you work on these things all day you can get some spare time to open up a vortec 4800, 5300, or 6000 and observe the 6 bolt mains since you say all vortecs are 2 bolt main. Another little tip for you the LS1 is 346 ci if you really want to get technical.

sorry but your the one who is a box of misinformation, the ls4 isnt available yet you posted a picture of a vortec a very different engine. vortecs have "D" shaped ports, ls series has "cathedral" shaped, combustion champers on the vortec is heart shaped with ls being figure 8 shaped, the vortec has 1.89 or 1.94 intake valves stock while the ls series is 2.00 or 2.05 stock, the intakes are different design and bolt pattern, vortec is 2 bolt(not sure if they still make 2 bolt) or 4 bolt block, ls series is 6 bolt, different bolt pattern and design for oil pan cylinder heads may be a different bolt pattern but im not 100% so i wont say on that subject they are very different engines the base engine for the ls is a 350 or 5.7L and grows from there up to a 426 or 7.0L stock i believe vortecs may dip into the 4L area but not sure and going up to the 6.0(but different the the ls series by above mentioned differences) 5.3L has always been a vortec and it has been the most mass produced of the vortecs and as far as the "chip" thing go its a different "tune" in the ecm i know theres know "chip" in a gm module we go through at least one a week here at the dealership and if it where false then how come when i take a ls1 camaro and dyno it i get 300hp at the wheels yet when i reflash the ecu with a corvette vin i get 340 at the wheels? and as far as the t5 goes im suggesting and aftermarket trans i would never go with a junkyard trans not sure about your area but in my area they want like 600-700 for em and theres no warrenty it may not even work they seem to think there worth tons since they came out of firebirds camaros and mustangs, you can get an aftermarket one good to 500hp for about 1200 it may not be as bulletproof as the t56 but its also only half the price brand new my step dads got a t5 in his 89 mustang pushing 350HP and he beats the crap out of it and its fine(thats 350 at the wheels). i dont appreciate you insulting me when im trying to share information especially since the only experience you seem to have is from books and the internet and i deal with these engines everyday

Modified by jerryd87 at 7:57 AM 12/26/2007

[240cp]

Modified by 240cp at 7:50 PM 1/3/2008

[240cp]

Well i was looking around a bit and found something some might be interesed in. Check this out

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=811975

Not sure if anyone has stumbled across this before, but damn I know it's a little pricey but you can assemble your own for 1200.00. I got to looking around the site a bit and these things look great.

I bet they would help greatly for top end.

Oh by the way if ya missed the web site here ya go:

http://www.extrudabody.biz/servlet/StoreFront

[WDRacing]

I admittedly didn't read all of the posts...but I wanted to drop in my .02.

The KA transmission will hold 450ish ft lbs, but not of you launch it hard or use drag radials at the strip. The LS makes way to much RIGHT NOW torque.

In your case less traction will be the best bet. You'll need a really good clutch assembly to hold that kind of power so low in the rpm range as well.

I was toying with the idea myself, but have since ditched it in favor of the TH400 with a reverse valve body and a decent stall. Ratchet shifters rock IMO so...

WD

[WDRacing]

Wow, what a box of misinformation this guy is, please anyone reading this post, just begin disreguarding anything he says..

HAHA, I just pee'd a little

[jerryd87]

"Thank you, please dont come again, but please do learn your RPO's"are you serious? im just curious are you really my 13 y.o. sister? becuase thats something she would say that makes alot of sense since you also cannot read. let me put it in caps for you all vortecs have always been 2 OR 4 bolt mains and i did confirm that 2 bolt mains are still available however they are rare. i know that the LS SERIES are 6 bolt mains the vortec are not they are currently phasing them out but you can still get them i appoligize i was wrong on the ls4 we just got our first one in the shop the other day and im not too childish to admit i was wrong however i get the impression some people arnt as mature. however its amazing how far off track it got considering my whole point was that gm is introducing a dohc addition to the ls lineup. also with the t-5 again if you would have read properly you would have said that i would go with a AFTERMARKET T-5 aftermarket and oem are both made by tremec mexico however the aftermarket one is made with a stronger case and internals rated at 500hp as a cheaper alternative to the t56(can get one for 1200-1500 compaired to 2500-3000) and i have seen people use them up to 800hp however i dont recommend this and yes i do the that the ls1 isnt exactly a 350 but eveyone rounds(just like if you want to be technical the ford 5.0 is actually a 4.9 repeating) no offense to those of you on this site to learn or here to help out but theres too many damn people here just looking to cause problems and be bungholes but i guess both "tuners" and "muscler/v8" groups have that

The LS4 is a smaller 5.3 L (325 in³) version of the Generation IV block. Though it has the same displacement as the Vortec 5300 LH6, it differs in that it has an aluminum block rather than an iron one and it uses the same cylinder head as the Generation III LS6 engine.

A version of this engine is adapted for transverse front-wheel drive application. In order to fit into the smaller engine compartments designed for V-6s, the LS4 engine block had to be shortened by one inch. Displacement on Demand is also used. Output of this version is 303 hp (226 kW) and 323 ft·lbf (438 N·m).

Applications:

2006-2008 Chevrolet Impala SS 2006-2007 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 2005-2008 Pontiac Grand Prix GXP 2008 Buick LaCrosse Super

Thank you, please dont come again, but please do learn your RPO's

And T5's are weak because of the case, rebuild or buy it new all you want, its still going to be weaker.

Oh and please learn the difference between a Gen 1 based vortec engine and all the Gen 3/4 based engines currently used in the truck, maybe since you work on these things all day you can get some spare time to open up a vortec 4800, 5300, or 6000 and observe the 6 bolt mains since you say all vortecs are 2 bolt main. Another little tip for you the LS1 is 346 ci if you really want to get technical.

Modified by jerryd87 at 5:56 AM 1/8/2008

[Z28ricer]

Make up your mind, you still cant get your crap straight, wait wait learn my RPO's ? Your the one swearing the LS4 doesnt exist, when its clearly been out for a while now, you want to call that engine a "vortec a very different engine" because just like the Gen3/4 engines in the trucks it has the "vortec" name on the lid, when in fact its still a 6 bolt main gen 4 engine.

Make up your mind.

And onto your transmission lesson for today, the T5 has NEVER been rated for 500 ft lbs, please learn the difference between a tremec TKO (two versions of it tko500 and tko600) and the T-5, they are two (or three) very different transmissions and arent much alike.

Thank you, please dont come again, but please do learn your RPO'sare you serious? im just curious are you really my 13 y.o. sister? becuase thats something she would say that makes alot of sense since you also cannot read. let me put it in caps for you all vortecs have always been 2 OR 4 bolt mains and i did confirm that 2 bolt mains are still available however they are rare. i know that the LS SERIES are 6 bolt mains the vortec are not they are currently phasing them out but you can still get them i appoligize i was wrong on the ls4 we just got our first one in the shop the other day and im not too childish to admit i was wrong however i get the impression some people arnt as mature. however its amazing how far off track it got considering my whole point was that gm is introducing a dohc addition to the ls lineup. also with the t-5 again if you would have read properly you would have said that i would go with a AFTERMARKET T-5 aftermarket and oem are both made by tremec mexico however the aftermarket one is made with a stronger case and internals rated at 500hp as a cheaper alternative to the t56(can get one for 1200-1500 compaired to 2500-3000) and i have seen people use them up to 800hp however i dont recommend this and yes i do the that the ls1 isnt exactly a 350 but eveyone rounds(just like if you want to be technical the ford 5.0 is actually a 4.9 repeating) no offense to those of you on this site to learn or here to help out but theres too many damn people here just looking to cause problems and be bungholes but i guess both "tuners" and "muscler/v8" groups have that

[jerryd87]

*CLAPS* congratulations on proving my point on the fact the you dont know how to read dumb**** oh and btw i fixed the first line of my previous post where i was making fun of YOUR sentance i put it in quotations since your too stupid to figure it out. im amazed a site like this lets someone like you on who is only interested in flaming people. your an embaressment to the entire automotive community as a whole btw i was pretty sure there wernt any states left that let 12y.o. drive but mayby im wrong, or mayby im right and you really arnt old enough to drive or own a car and just troll these boards while your suspended from elementary school