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I hate the R35 but I must say your textual fumblings and complete and utter unequivocal lack of knowledge about what you are talking about yet at the same time in possession of a baseless adamant opinion are much more irritating then the gizmo-R. Please immediately purchase one and crash it into a tree so I might enjoy a two for one.

Wow you are good with the typing skills. I voiced my opinion, to see what people had to say, start a debate, gain some knowledge. I am typing from America, not sure where you are but hear speech is free(so i did it). And to say that you would enjoy seeing me get into a car accident because I was mis-informed, or have bad typing skills is the dumbest thing I have herd. Were all on hear to talk about what we love; no???

If anyone else has any other good points on the subject please post them I am all ears.

GO BACK TO THE HONDA FORUMS

The thing is, though, is that all the information we gave you is easily available on the internet. A bit of research could yeild you mass amounts of info. But you voiced an opinion before doing said research which made you look un-prepared, and the wolves feasted.

You wanted to be given information instead of taking a bit of time researching what you were asking, that's why some of the people that posted as harshly as they did.

It's all out there, everything you want to know about the Skyline (and it's history) as well as the Fairlady Z (and its history, too). Just need to spend a bit more time looking before making uneducated statements.

As for themadscientist, don't worry about him. He's just an old crotchety fart that also likes debating, but tends to bring guns to a knife fight.

kthnxbai
i go eat cheezeburger

P.S. Your English sucks.

I think he is now aware that even if free speech is protected. He still is dealt the consequences. His word value to another ear is become worthless. And his own image to another is tarnished. And respect for him will not be spared. Which in turn is the cost of "free" speech.

So stop beating the dead whore (the topic).

And it'll hand an R34 its a$$ all day long.

Really, there's way too much babbling in this thread from people who dont know what they're talking about.

Drive one on a track, at speed, and you'll see. Until then, you may as well be discussing macrame projects.

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Ill get back in my car, take a windy road home and say wow this thing really cant compare with the speed and handling of the new one, but Its just so much better; its a drivers car.

But you have to drive it WAY beyond what you think it can handle.

Even the Nissan Factory Driver that I rode in it with said it's hard to push it to its limits, because we're hard-wired not to trust the electronics.

BTW, we were holding a conversation at normal volume, with the windows down, at 135mph.

Nice example how the both tuned R34 and R35. The R34 with the lead could not shake the R35.

Only downfall for the R35 the tranny.

Quite franky. I don't care. This is the first time Nissan marketed the rear tranny. Like all firsts, it's not perfect. And second MCR took the car out of the design parameters of the tranny.

Nissan will get better and us, enthusiast will gather better knowledge of how to deal with the weak links. History has proven to repeat itself.

I have seen MCR's shop and that very GT-R. Three weeks ago, actually. The shop is about a 10 minute drive from my house, located near a karaoke place here in Yashio.

There is a little dude that works there, and when I took a few friends over there he explained that all the carbon fibre trim that was on the car (front lip, side skirts rear diffuser) was made in-house, by him. And it was wet carbon.

Didn't see that particular R34, but there was the red one, and a few other...well, many other...R32, R33 and R34 parts cars just sitting behind the shop.

It's a small world after all. Props to the guy who made the wet carbon (heard it's fun to deal with). It be nice to have some tuning guys near here or at least not drag car mindset all the time. Best, I get is when I message MJR.

But to credit the R390... it's technology went into both the Z32 and the R32.

Are the headlights of the R390 the same as the Z32?

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My R33 V-Spec is bigger than a Z32...

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Yeah and now Nissan V8 engine swaps are proving to be the ultimate conversion within the Nissan family

yeah, if I ever get my hands on a VK56, I'm going to do some really really dirty things to it.

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But to credit the R390... it's technology went into both the Z32 and the R32.

P.S. the R390 came out in 1997/1998, Z32 and R32 in 1989. You could say the R390 was the culmination of Nissan's best racing technology at the time!

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P.S. the R390 came out in 1997/1998, Z32 and R32 in 1989. You could say the R390 was the culmination of Nissan's best racing technology at the time!

Touche.

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It'll make your E36 feel like a VW Bus. But you have to drive it WAY beyond what you think it can handle. Even the Nissan Factory Driver that I rode in it with said it's hard to push it to its limits, because we're hard-wired not to trust the electronics. BTW, we were holding a conversation at normal volume, with the windows down, at 135mph.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjXgKg358ZE Nice example how the both tuned R34 and R35. The R34 with the lead could not shake the R35. Only downfall for the R35 the tranny. Quite franky. I don't care. This is the first time Nissan marketed the rear tranny. Like all firsts, it's not perfect. And second MCR took the car out of the design parameters of the tranny. Nissan will get better and us, enthusiast will gather better knowledge of how to deal with the weak links. History has proven to repeat itself.

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My R33 V-Spec is bigger than a Z32...

There isn't a lesson. Only optimization in car design. Each time it's better in it's own way. Just like the 350z and the 370z.

If you truly cared about "gain some knowledge" you could easily have done it on your own.

You'd typically have been labeled a troll, but you're not clever enough for that, I don't think.

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I am typing from America, not sure where you are but hear speech is free(so i did it).

Something that someone I know once said way back in the Usenet days:
"Before expressing your right to free speech, you really should have something worth saying first. Sadly, you don't."

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And to say that you would enjoy seeing me get into a car accident because I was mis-informed, or have bad typing skills is the dumbest thing I have herd. Were all on hear to talk about what we love; no???

No, the comment about enjoying seeing you DIAF had nothing to do with what you do or don't know.
It's that you present yourself as a moron with a childish attitude.

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body. The goal is to skid in broadside; tires smoking, body all dented, leaking fluids, the fuel gauge just about on empty, thoroughly used up and worn out, and loudly proclaiming---- "Holy ****---What a Ride!"

Dude, they aren't even in the same class.

You're talking about a car that set lap records on The 'Ring.

No car defies the laws of physics. Not even a GTR.

"Quieter" is relative and impossible to quantify without controls in place and measuring equipment.

Two tons? Who cares. It'll spank all prior GT-R iterations, so who cares how much it weighs?

Seriously, I still don't understand what you're getting at.

A common misconception of the R33 was that it was "so much heavier" than the 32 and the 34. In all reality, the BCNR33 GT-R was only 200lbs heavier, due mostly to its longer and wider body. The back seat has more legroom than the previous and succeding GT-Rs. It was only rated at 280 due to the Gentleman's agreement, but was closer to the 315 mark, according to an employee of Nissan who is a friend of mine. The R33 didn't have any problems moving that much weight around.

And, the R33 was the first production car to lap the Nuremburg ring in under 8 minutes. I don't think the R34 did that.

But, that isn't really relative to your post. The R35 is a bigger car, yes. But, it's only 400lbs heavier than an R33. With 500hp sitting in the engine bay, that's not a whole lot of weight to worry about.

With the extra weight, I think car manufacturers need to try and hide it. By way of easier power power steering and such. As of late, I find less and less your really put into the car, and more like telling a car what to do. Maybe its progress in the industry, but honestly, who hear after work gets in there car for a joy ride and gets to go over 120mph for any length of time?

I like opening my cars up, however something that doesn't give you good feel at safe limits on the road is not very fun for me.

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A common misconception of the R33 was that it was "so much heavier" than the 32 and the 34. In all reality, the BCNR33 GT-R was only 200lbs heavier, due mostly to its longer and wider body. The back seat has more legroom than the previous and succeding GT-Rs. It was only rated at 280 due to the Gentleman's agreement, but was closer to the 315 mark, according to an employee of Nissan who is a friend of mine. The R33 didn't have any problems moving that much weight around. And, the R33 was the first production car to lap the Nuremburg ring in under 8 minutes. I don't think the R34 did that. But, that isn't really relative to your post. The R35 is a bigger car, yes. But, it's only 400lbs heavier than an R33. With 500hp sitting in the engine bay, that's not a whole lot of weight to worry about.