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1997 240sx sr bk, n' a 32
upstate ny
11-25-2004
The R36 GTR (r35 GTR) a HUGE PILE OF s***?
6:35 PM 9/27/2009
Why badge The new TT version of the 300zx-350z-370z a skyline? Why would Nissan give in to a marketing department for the 1st time in a major way? Who thinks this car is "cool"? Did the end of group A kill the GTR? How on earth can you people that own these new 300zx tt 2+2 cars think that a paddle shifter is great(Cuz it shifts faster then you can??? If you were one of the ppl that bought this car would you still have bought it if it was labeled the 370z tt 2+2? for the same amount of money or was the $50 badge what did it? What story's did salesman at the dealership tell you about the blood lines of the car(that don't exist)? Hows that sat nav working out for you? Are you ok that the car is heavier then the 32,33,34,35? Do you ppl that own the car own the newest m3 as a 2nd car? I need answers. Thank you
1880 posts
90 R32 GTR, 91 Hatch RB25, 93 Coupe KA-T, 93 G20
bethlehem Pa
3-1-2006
« Re: The R36 GTR (r35 GTR) a HUGE PILE OF s***? (neobluepill)
8:22 PM 9/27/2009
Are you retarded?(serious question) How is the r35 a 300zx, 350 or a 370z? r32/33/34's have rear seats to does that also make them 300zx 2+2s? Do you really have no life that your first post on nico is some usless non informative garbage? Go back to honda.
It's predecessors were date back to when Prince, a japanese car manufacturer, owned skyline. The GTR's success came when the KGC10 rolled in. Here's what to note. None of GTR's were ever sold in the USA until recently. The GTR's that are famed in recent years are the R32, R33, R34, and the R35 <-current model which does not even bare the "skyline" name any more. "Skyline" is dead, it's been turned into it's separate family coupe/sedan car line.
The Z car, started with the 240z then 260z and 280z, which were under code name S30.
Then came the ZX line, which started with the 280zx, S130 The 300zx, which came under name of z31 and z32
Here's to note, the z32 did have a TT, but it was a v-6 rwd set up, unlike your beloved "skyline".
To keep going, x is dropped now, the 350z, coded name z33
and now the current model 370z, as z34
The is no z35...yet.
And there is no R36, and I pray that Nissan come to their senses and lock Carlos Ghosn out of the design room when they do design it.
As a matter of fact, both R35 and Z34 are too new for their next model to come out.
To mark trend for GTR and Z cars.
GTR usually followed having 4 seats, advanced awd, and turbo charged. Often built to be your street-able grand touring race car, so this is why paddle shifters were implemented, because faster shifts mean faster lap times.
The z car, followed having 2 seats, rwd. Few z models had turbo, and yes a family version of the z was marketed with 4 seats for the older models. But recently they been pushing for porsche 911. Not likely we will see another 2+2 Z car based on business economics for Nissan.
Now.. if anything to get pass inside your head. The R35, the GTR, is the first time to be sold in North America. Not a rebadged twin turbo Z car, the z car isn't even AWD.
And seriously... they don't even share the same chassis.. which is another business economics for Nissan, why have 2 chassis for the same car line, it's a waste of money. If they did finally release a 370z TT, they will use the same chassis, not some other god who knows chassis, it's just waste of money for Nissan to develop and manage two separate chassis manufacturing lines for the same car series.
No market scheme here, each car is from their own heritage, but they are both brothers who share the same technology and drive for performance in their own unique way.
« Re: The R36 GTR (r35 GTR) a HUGE PILE OF s***? (neobluepill)
1:25 AM 9/28/2009
Edit: Never mind, I just read some dumb stuff you posted on another forum:
Quote, originally posted by neobluepill »
I'm considering this to be an r36 maybe Nissan just ****ed everyone in America really just the new 300zx tt so what do you think its worth?
I hope I get the chance to drive one. Well said my friend, I need to direct my hatred t words Nissan i think. I bet if the new skyline was what it should have been the zr1 would have been a tinker toy to the gtr with an up to date rb omg, thing could have come with 850hp street legal with a warranty.
And there is no R36, and I pray that Nissan come to their senses and lock Carlos Ghosn out of the design room when they do design it.
Actually after watching a show on The Science Channel documenting the R35 from inception to production it turns out that Ghosn had nothing to do with the exterior design whatsoever. As a matter if fact all he demanded from the exterior of the R35 was that the trademark round tailights must be used. Other then that he really had nothing to do with any specific design feature, including the engine,chassis, motor and exterior styling. All he did was give it the green light and push it all the way through production.
Actually after watching a show on The Science Channel documenting the R35 from inception to production it turns out that Ghosn had nothing to do with the exterior design whatsoever. As a matter if fact all he demanded from the exterior of the R35 was that the trademark round tailights must be used. Other then that he really had nothing to do with any specific design feature, including the engine,chassis, motor and exterior styling. All he did was give it the green light and push it all the way through production.
I watched it too. He also wanted it to be the more expensive luxury car that it is. It was involved in the design stages, which involved those meetings which updated him on hows the GTR is doing. He pointed the direction, laid out the tracks for the design team to stay in.
1. The "GT-R" has always been, and will always be, the flagship of the Nissan line. 2. The GT-R has been unique in the Nissan line as it shares almost no parts with it's stable mates. For 40 years now no less. 3. Each model of GT-R has been heavier than it's predecessor. And yet each one is faster around a track. 4. The GT-R is arguably the most dominant model of car in auto racing history. Banned on 3 continents. Forced into it's own all GT-R class. Caused entire racing organizations to re-structure the rules to exclude them i.e Australian V8 Supercars series. 5. The R35 is a $70k car that will run with any $300k car on the planet.
And lastly;
6. You have most likely never driven any GT-R, period. Therefore you most likely have no information outside of magazines and internet forums. Because of this fact, I would suggest you re-read the credible magazine articles. On second thought, let me sum it up for you;
The R35 is everything a GT-R is supposed to be. The only true supercar to come out of Japan. There is no car for under $100k that can compete with it on a race track.
Are you retarded?(serious question) How is the r35 a 300zx, 350 or a 370z? r32/33/34's have rear seats to does that also make them 300zx 2+2s? Do you really have no life that your first post on nico is some usless non informative garbage? Go back to honda.
No, what makes a car, I feel, is it's heart and sole. Engine, chassis, and all the things that made it a great car. Not the seating arrangement.
It's predecessors were date back to when Prince, a japanese car manufacturer, owned skyline. The GTR's success came when the KGC10 rolled in. Here's what to note. None of GTR's were ever sold in the USA until recently. The GTR's that are famed in recent years are the R32, R33, R34, and the R35 <-current model which does not even bare the "skyline" name any more. "Skyline" is dead, it's been turned into it's separate family coupe/sedan car line.
The Z car, started with the 240z then 260z and 280z, which were under code name S30.
Then came the ZX line, which started with the 280zx, S130 The 300zx, which came under name of z31 and z32
Here's to note, the z32 did have a TT, but it was a v-6 rwd set up, unlike your beloved "skyline".
To keep going, x is dropped now, the 350z, coded name z33
and now the current model 370z, as z34
The is no z35...yet.
And there is no R36, and I pray that Nissan come to their senses and lock Carlos Ghosn out of the design room when they do design it.
As a matter of fact, both R35 and Z34 are too new for their next model to come out.
To mark trend for GTR and Z cars.
GTR usually followed having 4 seats, advanced awd, and turbo charged. Often built to be your street-able grand touring race car, so this is why paddle shifters were implemented, because faster shifts mean faster lap times.
The z car, followed having 2 seats, rwd. Few z models had turbo, and yes a family version of the z was marketed with 4 seats for the older models. But recently they been pushing for porsche 911. Not likely we will see another 2+2 Z car based on business economics for Nissan.
Now.. if anything to get pass inside your head. The R35, the GTR, is the first time to be sold in North America. Not a rebadged twin turbo Z car, the z car isn't even AWD.
And seriously... they don't even share the same chassis.. which is another business economics for Nissan, why have 2 chassis for the same car line, it's a waste of money. If they did finally release a 370z TT, they will use the same chassis, not some other god who knows chassis, it's just waste of money for Nissan to develop and manage two separate chassis manufacturing lines for the same car series.
No market scheme here, each car is from their own heritage, but they are both brothers who share the same technology and drive for performance in their own unique way.
Modified by Rare_f8 at 12:52 AM 9/28/2009
The V36 platform was used on the G and 350z and fx'es(whatever). So we have all the the separation between the zx cars and G cars up in till recently. Now the z cars are sharing chassis (mostly).
Then Nissan gave the g35 an X with the skylines awd system, so that's really just a 350z with awd.
Bigger motor g37x (350z with the gtrs awd)
the vq motor line then got tweaked a little bit and turned into the vr38dett, little bigger motor and a couple turbos.
I remember a few years ago before the 370z came out Nissan completely re-did most of the 350z's motor and for all there effort, and money they got something like 15 more hp. There was talk in the industry that they spent all that money as development for maybe a new skyline that would use a v6 platform. (Please if anyone remembers this post it up)
This is why I said that the r35 is just a ramped up 300zx.
1. The "GT-R" has always been, and will always be, the flagship of the Nissan line. 2. The GT-R has been unique in the Nissan line as it shares almost no parts with it's stable mates. For 40 years now no less. 3. Each model of GT-R has been heavier than it's predecessor. And yet each one is faster around a track. 4. The GT-R is arguably the most dominant model of car in auto racing history. Banned on 3 continents. Forced into it's own all GT-R class. Caused entire racing organizations to re-structure the rules to exclude them i.e Australian V8 Supercars series. 5. The R35 is a $70k car that will run with any $300k car on the planet.
And lastly;
6. You have most likely never driven any GT-R, period. Therefore you most likely have no information outside of magazines and internet forums. Because of this fact, I would suggest you re-read the credible magazine articles. On second thought, let me sum it up for you;
The R35 is everything a GT-R is supposed to be. The only true supercar to come out of Japan. There is no car for under $100k that can compete with it on a race track.
Brian
Its like does the end justify the means question. Yes it can do it, but what else? For your 45k you would get yourself a de-tuned race car. Came with 320hp in 89', witch was really not bad. Then you look at the car and see that you have a chassis capable of 1000hp. You bolt on a few thousand in parts to get what the factory wanted to give you but the powers that be wont allow it. 500hp hard to get out of an rb26dett? No. Anyone disagree with that?
Looks to me like the new skyline is pretty well tuned for doing what it does out of the box and whats involved with getting 200-300 more hp out of it? Nothing easy or reliable, or cheep.
The big guns in this import world have been I6's. There is a reason for the past 10 years we have all been on-line looking at the baddest a** cars making power and those cars have been 2jz's and rb's its because there amazing.
What happened to getting a car from a manufacturer and seeing that its just at a starting point.
3) Your knowledge of Nissan history, as well as Nissan's involvement in motorsports, sucks.
4) It's not badged a Skyline. You are misinformed.
5) You've never driven one, so it's no wonder you're misinformed.
6) How can it be heavier than an R35? It IS the R35.
7) It'll mop the floor with an R32 without breaking a sweat.
8) What's an M3?
9) We're not here to meet your needs, unless you need help with your car.
10) I actually got 10 points out of this response. Yay me.
1) Your English sucks.
A) I know cheep shot, I am a tradesman, I do not have good spelling, lets just talk cars please, I do not need to have an English degree to talk to you guys.
2) Your punctuation sucks.
A) Same as above.
3) Your knowledge of Nissan history, as well as Nissan's involvement in motorsports, sucks.
A) Ok lets talk about it that's why im posting hear, thought this was a forum, kick ideas around? See if anyone else felt a bit let down by this new car.
4) It's not badged a Skyline. You are misinformed.
A) Thank you for correcting me.
5) You've never driven one, so it's no wonder you're misinformed.
A) There would be no information that I would be more informed about after driving one that would have changed this post.
6) How can it be heavier than an R35? It IS the R35.
A) Technically yes, but all those years with the g35 being badged as a skyline mite make it seem like there was a skyline for sale between the r34 and this one maybe? If you didn't look at the chassis code.
7) It'll mop the floor with an R32 without breaking a sweat.
A) Stock car for stock car yes 320 1989 hp vs 434 2009 hp. A jump of 114hp over 20years isn't bad... I mean really not bad.
8) What's an M3?
A) Its a car that like the Skyline started out as a race car, then ended up loosing its way.
9) We're not here to meet your needs, unless you need help with your car.
A) No one hear wants to talk about cars? Just fixing them? If that's the case I want people to post that they agree with that.
10) I actually got 10 points out of this response. Yay me.
A) Glad your happy, but it was 9 the 10th one was just stating that there were 10 so it doesn't really count. Unless "Yay me" is always your last response to what someone has to say, then you can count 10.
Can anyone that has some credible info on what the differences are between the 350z's motor line and the gtrs. And any info on what the chassis differences are between the g37x and the gtr please.
The GTR doesn't equip the VQ. And the 300zx didn't have AWD.
What you saw in the 90's is what caused Nissan to go bankrupt in 2001. This is where Carlos Ghosn enters and becomes a icon for turning Nissan around.
The inline six is an exotic motor, it requires it own set of parts to be manufactured. For instance, the rb series motor has a cooling channel that runs along the side of the block before being introduced into the block. The manufacturing process for that channel alone is intense and expensive. So face it. The RB is dead.
The V-6 has become the holy grail for most auto manufactures doe it's ability to be used transverse and longitudinally. Which then allows the use of universal parts across all car lines.
In performance lay terms, the v-6 sits behind the front wheels which allows their cars to be considered a mid ship. This means performance around a corner is easily achieved. If you cannot appreciate Nissan drive to give you superb performance package with the engine and handling around corners. Buy a mustang, great straight line performance, s***ty corners.
These are tight times for the auto manufactures. Money is the name of the game.
So at this time, it doesn't matter if you may be able to use pistons from a VR38 and use them on a VQ37 motor. They may be the same block, but it's highly unlikely since VR38 utilizes aluminum bores unlike the still sleeved vq37. (Which means they have to design for different stress points, and different expansion rates). Hell. They may even come out with a VQ37VHRTT for the Z series. But. I can promise you that even if it's a TT Z34, it will most certainly not be a GTR.
The VQ37VHR, sure you say they achieved only a measly 15 hp. But, that 15 hp on a NA motor, while fitting a reliability standard, a growing and tougher emission regulation to meet. 15 additional hp is actually really good coming from the factory.
The G37x, which is now known as the Skyline in japan, is a 4 door car. Chassis is body, so take a good look at the following pictures. Keep in mind, each panel has to be be manufactured in it's own line. You just don't see GTR body panel going on a G37x. They are not even the same.
Now if you meant the drivetrain. The g37x utilities a behind engine tranny, the transfer case uses a magnetic drive for the front wheels. (This mechanism is meant to be a family scooter, any more power it will slip robbing you performance) Sure, it does uses ATTESA software. So does every other AWD nissan/infiniti.
GTR has this mounted at the rear. enough said, really.
Can anyone that has some credible info on what the differences are between the 350z's motor line and the gtrs. And any info on what the chassis differences are between the g37x and the gtr please.
Yeah for the fact that the VR38 is handbuilt. The vq is built on a assembly line. Meaning a trusted technician takes the pieces to build the motor and his sole job is to piece the motor together by hand. You know what other car companies do this? Ferrari, Lamborghini, AMG. Buggati, Ford with some of their Cobra motors. To name a very select few.
A handbulit motor is a thing of beauty in a production car.
A) Technically yes, but all those years with the g35 being badged as a skyline mite make it seem like there was a skyline for sale between the r34 and this one maybe? If you didn't look at the chassis code.
Technically, the Skyline wsa baged as a G35.
Apples to apples, the V35/V36 Nissan Skyline in Japan is an Infiniti G35/G37 in the U.S. They both use 99% of the same parts, sans a few cosmetic differences between the two. Other than that, they are the same car, much like the S13 and S14 Silvia/180SX was a 240SX in the U.S. Sans the engine and trans, they were the same inside and out, just RHD and LHD, respectively. (The U.S. S13 coupes used the pop-up headlights found on the hatch.)
Either way you look at it, there are too few similarities to back up your argument.
The Fairlady Z is, and never was, anything at all like the GT-R, past or present. The only exception to that was the S30 432 Fairlady Z, which used only the same S20 engine found in the (K)PGC-10 and KPGC110 Skyline 2000 GT-Rs.
If Nissan ever decided to make a twin turbo 370Z(X), it wouldn't use AWD, it wouldn't use the GT-R's VR38DETT, nor the rear mounted twin clutch paddle shifted transmission.
It would be a sports car with attitude, not a GT car that will mop the floor with other cars in its price range, and some above its price range.
The Z has become something of a Pheonix, if you will, resurrecting itself from extinction to become what the Z was originally built to be...a budget minded sports car.
The GT-R is, and always has been, a car designed to race at the track, then drive itself home afterwards without so much as having a hiccup.
The GTR doesn't equip the VQ. And the 300zx didn't have AWD.
What you saw in the 90's is what caused Nissan to go bankrupt in 2001. This is where Carlos Ghosn enters and becomes a icon for turning Nissan around.
The inline six is an exotic motor, it requires it own set of parts to be manufactured. For instance, the rb series motor has a cooling channel that runs along the side of the block before being introduced into the block. The manufacturing process for that channel alone is intense and expensive. So face it. The RB is dead.
The V-6 has become the holy grail for most auto manufactures doe it's ability to be used transverse and longitudinally. Which then allows the use of universal parts across all car lines.
In performance lay terms, the v-6 sits behind the front wheels which allows their cars to be considered a mid ship. This means performance around a corner is easily achieved. If you cannot appreciate Nissan drive to give you superb performance package with the engine and handling around corners. Buy a mustang, great straight line performance, s***ty corners.
These are tight times for the auto manufactures. Money is the name of the game.
So at this time, it doesn't matter if you may be able to use pistons from a VR38 and use them on a VQ37 motor. They may be the same block, but it's highly unlikely since VR38 utilizes aluminum bores unlike the still sleeved vq37. (Which means they have to design for different stress points, and different expansion rates). Hell. They may even come out with a VQ37VHRTT for the Z series. But. I can promise you that even if it's a TT Z34, it will most certainly not be a GTR.
The VQ37VHR, sure you say they achieved only a measly 15 hp. But, that 15 hp on a NA motor, while fitting a reliability standard, a growing and tougher emission regulation to meet. 15 additional hp is actually really good coming from the factory.
The G37x, which is now known as the Skyline in japan, is a 4 door car. Chassis is body, so take a good look at the following pictures. Keep in mind, each panel has to be be manufactured in it's own line. You just don't see GTR body panel going on a G37x. They are not even the same.
Now if you meant the drivetrain. The g37x utilities a behind engine tranny, the transfer case uses a magnetic drive for the front wheels. (This mechanism is meant to be a family scooter, any more power it will slip robbing you performance) Sure, it does uses ATTESA software. So does every other AWD nissan/infiniti.
GTR has this mounted at the rear. enough said, really.
Modified by Rare_f8 at 11:14 AM 9/29/2009
Thank you for all this information, this is all stuff I have been trying to find all over the web and from different people. What you were saying about how cost was the reason that the v6 is being used, and how the I6 is dead is what kills me. I feel like any company that makes a great car, cant survive due to a big giant car company making something that sux, or could have been better for next to nothing that gets the job done. This is what bothers me about the gtr(and im glad that its not badged a skyline). Its great, it does the job, I am sure the driving experience will be ridiculous. In my eyes that sucks. Taking what made a gtr great, being a blank slate to tailor to whatever you wanted, to go as crazy as you wanted away disappoints me.
$58,680.56 (¥ 5.26000 million) Got you a 1989 v spec gtr. In 1989. Thats $102,376.88 in today's money (according to dollartimes) Whats more important? Making a car to sell to a bigger market or going well its going to be a bit more exclusive but it will be a skyline.
Is everyone hear a fan of separate car company's making the best product they can to fill a specific niche of the market a thing of the past? I am one that has the opinion that gm should have fell, these huge corporations are making it so that even if a car company wants to make a great car, it either fails due to cost, or not enough market share. SRT-4 turns into a dodge caliber for example.
I hate the R35 but I must say your textual fumblings and complete and utter unequivocal lack of knowledge about what you are talking about yet at the same time in possession of a baseless adamant opinion are much more irritating then the gizmo-R. Please immediately purchase one and crash it into a tree so I might enjoy a two for one.
I hate the R35 but I must say your textual fumblings and complete and utter unequivocal lack of knowledge about what you are talking about yet at the same time in possession of a baseless adamant opinion are much more irritating then the gizmo-R. Please immediately purchase one and crash it into a tree so I might enjoy a two for one.
Respect your elders youngun. When I was your age Skylines only powered the rear wheels and we were happy! We also ate dirt and walked uphill to school both ways in the snow, but did we complain? Well, yes actually, but nobody cared!
Just got back from the shooting range, my guns are fun. The wife enjoyed her birthday gift, Walther P22. She proceeded to put 99 of 100 rounds in the black too. I better treat her nice or she will put a cap in my a**.
like an hour or so then right back on the plane. We get home at 8ish. I have to get caught up at work and then get ready for the open house. Wife picked up the key right before she flew over here. It's done and ready for us to start moving in.
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