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Especially since he's embarressed about ME...since I only speak English. Way to go!!! BE embarressed cause I speak the chosen language of my OWN Country...

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So when the representative of the Democratic party says to the world He's embarrassed that our citizens don't speak a foreign language you're ok with that because he was honest?

Even though the OTHER citizens of OTHER countries are striving to speak English it's ok for a possible future leader of my great country to be ashamed of me because I don't know a different language. Yet he can call upon me to throw down my life in order to protect and preserve the American way of life.

I say to you NO SIR...that is NOT ok Not now and not EVER.

America stands for Freedom and Independence..one Nation UNDER GOD. To be embarrassed of that is to admit that you simply have lost touch with what America truly represents. That means you do NOT represent America...but rather something different...something UN American.

If change means giving up the very way of life that I have fought to preserve...that my brothers have paid the ultimate price for...I say to you Obama is a terrorist in the most basic of forms. To change our way of life if to forget what we fought so hard to become.

Give that up at your parel...for change comes at great expense to those who walk into the future with open arms and don't question the Devil when He brings gifts.

I wouldn't go so far as to say not speaking another language is embarrassing but to say you should never be embarassed is just stupid, and thats what you said.

I dunno what kind of lame excuse for living in my country you just tried to give...but GTFO.

Liberals can always interpret things to mean something else. Either you're embarrassed that Americans don't speak more then one language or you aren't...PERIOD. If you don't like English...GTFO.

How bout instead I work to fix things. I'm a citizen just as much as you. If you or anyone else thinks this country is perfect then why bother voting? Things will work themselves out right?

I am actually embarassed for our country right now that someone would say that to another citizen.

Enablement sux no matter how you spin it. Why don't we go ahead and give Mexico the left-coast and be done with it? The amount of illegals who will be voting will eventually spit out enough kids where they will be the majority in a few years anyway.

Give it up

This isn't "racism".

This is people being fed the HELL up with political correctness, with catering to special interests, with mollycoddling border-jumpers, with supposed "leaders" telling us WE should be ashamed of ourselves and our country - Our country that's so damn good that people will DIE to try to get here.

Screw him and his self-loathing. We're not victims and we don't need his brand of "salvation".

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I do it at least 3x a week here. Usually it's because some service industry worker is too dumb to go run and get one of the other 50% of employees who IS bilingual to help. My spanish is JUST bad enough to screw up their order.

The school my GF teaches at? EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT HISPANIC.

How is that? HOW?

Nothing against them, or their kids. BUT HOW does a US school become 85% Hispanic? HOW?

Does your idea of fixing things entail forcing my Son to learn another language? How about NO...

My opinion isn't that America is perfect, but it is that we speak English here. You can call me racist all you want...so long as you do so in English.

Assuming they are here legally, what to you propose Greg? Shall we require them to stay home and starve until they get a working knowledge of english? At least they are willing to work for a living, and that is far, far more respectable than what many inner-city American youth pursue for a career. Drug sales, gang banging and welfare fraud. Who do you really respect in this regard?

I get frustrated when I order something from a Hispanic person due to the language barrier, yet when I think about it, they speak English better than I speak Spanish. At least they are trying to learn their new language. Plus they are working at a job I wouldn't want to do.

In my day to day's, I have yet run across a reason to know a 2nd language. If the reasoning behind learning Spanish is to make the hispanics feel more welcome here and allow them to more easily adapt then why should we not also have to learn other languages for the others who come over here as well? I know the answer of course, we have far more of an inflood of Mexican nationals than we do with other countries simply because we border them and it's far easier for them to get here. The one thing the quota system in the past helped was it limited such a huge influx of people from the same country as the percentages were spread out. That is no longer the case anymore and it's wrong and will bite us in the butt.

Dude...we all know things change. But our language is English...if you want to come to America to prosper then you need to do your best to learn it. We do not need to learn another language so that others may prosper.

I'm not even against learning another language, I'm against people who seem to think I NEED to speak something other then English.

English is the most spoken language in the world...success = speak it.

Come here legally and I'll support any program we can come up with to include FREE English lessons for those willing to learn. I'm all for helping my fellow man, but I'm NOT going to agree with changing the way my country works in order to accommodate foreign nationals.

The happy medium is not changing our language, but doing everything we can in order to make it easier for immigrants to learn English. I think that's more then fair...this would involve any type of education deemed necessary all paid for by the Gov. Lord knows we've wasted enough cash on other things...Mars

Even if we had to build seperate schools...this alone would increase jobs, education and generally provide a basis for a better quality of life. All of which could be improved on as we feel our way into the 22nd Century as a bigger better America...that speaks English.

Is that not acceptable?

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Lord knows we've wasted enough cash on other things...Mars

I beg to differ. Space travel is very important. A lot has come from space travel, and we really are going to need another planet soon.

Anyway, materially, I think we're focusing on nothing. He said this for political reasons, albeit shxtty ones. All candidates say things so that they'll be viewed in a certain light, and that's what he did here. He just said, IMO, the WRONG thing. He needs to remember that while it IS popular for him to be seen as internationally popular, he still needs to run and win in AMERICA.

Anyway, I *do* wish he'd reverse his stance on NCLB, that is some "flip-flopping" I wouldn't mind. My mom is a teacher and she's described NCLB's failings in detail to me.

I DO think that more foreign language training in US schools would be a good thing, but ultimately, other than *possibly* Spanish, we don't NEED the extra language skills as much as the Europeans do because we don't have a zillion tiny countries sitting next to each other with lots of cross-travel.

Everyone in the DC offices of my company, a Dutch company, speaks like 5 languages except for me. They have to, in order to be able to get around Europe well.

I wasn't commenting on people here not learning English. I was commenting on

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The English brought civilization to most of the world, as one of the first industrialized nations. Their language spread with their culture and their technology.

thats where the Latin came from, its not a history we want to repeat

Why not?

We're close to having the whole world speaking 1 language. We're supposed to be embarrassed because it's the one we speak? So what? If the whole world spoke 1 language things would be a lot simpler. What is with this "we should coddle the rest of the world" attitude? They are learning English for a reason, not cause they arbitrarily decided. They want to learn our language, great, lets spend money elsewhere instead of teaching our kids what may soon be dead languages. I took 4 years of language and the time I cited is the only time I've ever used it.

It is, like America, a "melting pot", substantially flawed, yet still preferred.

I actually have to make a statement that abbreviations such as 'LOL' 'WTF' etc. are not appropriate in writing.

I had a recruiter comment to me that she meets lots of engineers who are ESL with better English skills than people who have been raised here.

And I'd argue that even MORE important is the ability to translate thought into clear, concise, written communications. The ability to write well definitely opens a lot of doors in the work force.

It takes a SPECIAL kind of arrogance to expect an entire nation to adapt to you rather than be willing to adapt yourself to the new environment that YOU CHOSE to live in. I don't care what race you are, or what langauge you speak, or what country you're going from or to. The state of mind is the same. And it's disgusting. It's a small snapshot of what is wrong with a huge portion of the population of the world today.

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Any young person who understands that is well on their way to a successful life. THey have no idea how much it really counts for.

Absolutely.

I was fortunate enough to graduate from a college that requires a fairly rigorous and comprehensive writing proficiency exam prior to graduation - not only for liberal arts majors but students in ALL disciplines.

Student athletes trembled in their cleats.

The one thing I think all Americans should be absolutely disgustedly embarrassed about is how we all love to feed upon MSG and McDonalds. I want to personally blow up every single one of those damned Golden Arches in the world and every other fast food joint. We are so hugely obese it's like we deserve to have bigger cars just so we can drive our fat asses around in them. So, perhaps instead of focusing on the fact that we don't all know another language fluently, how about we actually ensure that our children don't end up being land whales?

The main problem with kids today is responsible parenting.

And it's the truth, too. Funny thing is, it all started when Liberals decided it was "wrong" to spank your child. Don't get me wrong, I didn't say "beat", I said "spank". I actually connive my child, since that works better on him anyway, than spanking. But, once we all started to coddle our children, it suddenly became okay to let the TV babysit them when we became overworked. And, it's alright to not make them do chores, to not hold them accountable for their mistakes, and to not make them do something more erstwhile.

Hell, it's gotten so far as to say that we coddle other fcsking countries and terrorists. For fcsking sake, these guys blew up buildings with fcksing airplanes in the middle of New Fcksing York God Damned City. And you want us to interrogate them with decency? I mean, they'd send their 6 year old daughter or son with a bomb strapped to their chest and some flowers up to you to blow your arse up in a millisecond if they had the fcsking chance. Come the fcsk on people, how much more liberal do we have to be before we end up puking the Leftie dildo we've had stuck up our ***? I'm pretty tired of this. I'm pro-choice, pro-land, pro-freedom. But, I am pro-gun, pro-military, pro-business, pro-trade, pro-conservative, and pro-republican. (Yeah, I'm pretty republican, I'm in the military, sue me.)

I'm tired of all this crap. GW Jr. grew a pair, told the UN and the rest of the world to take it up the pooper and that we were going to carry our big stick, smack some flies down that were buzzing around and then cleared the air and walked away. But, we've been in there too long. It doesn't matter who gets elected this next go around, they're going to be an imbecile. Obama or McCain, this country is screwed. All I have to say is, you all better stock up on your assault rifles and Class III and IIII weapons and gear before it goes bye-bye. Both McCain and Obama have lost love for gun control, so, there goes that idea.

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As far as mexicans expecting americans to learn spanish, that is an absurd notion that is more based on someones misdirected sense of "patriotism" than actual fact. Hitman was wondering how a US school can become 85% hispanic. The answer is very simple its economics and comfort. Spanish immigrants tend to be in lower income brackets than whites because they come from poorer countries and have to establish roots here. Because they almost exclusively follow this trend the result is whole neighborhoods of hispanics similar to what we see with african americans in this country. Also they want to live near other hispanics because it allows them to feel less alienated and in peace.

I also take issue with people who say immigrants are here to "rape" this country economically and cost our economy billions with their use of welfare and medicaid. This is simply untrue as many economist and politicians have pointed out. NY city mayor Michael bloomberg a republican has pointed out that his city recieves an economic benefit in the millions after taking into account the cost of those social programs. White americans have always had a racist element to them from slavery to european immigrants being called dagos and other slurs and forced to take low paying jobs and live in slums which is exactly what we are seeing today with mexicans. No they are not here to take over your country there will be a period of friction caracterized by the resistance and docile racism we are experencing now. Ultimately they will integrate as every other wave of immigrants has.

I can fully understand your resentment and insecurity at seeing cars here with flags on them from different countries and having to press 1 for english but be honest. That is my biggest gripe with the so called immigration debate, it is not so much to secure our country as it is we want to see less "beaners and spics" here. I am a colombian living in what is a very white part of the US and deal with alot of racism day to day and believe me it is very widespread. I take no issue with it as I realize that most of it is ignorance and misinformation but it often amazes me to see it in the most unexpected of places.

Americans should not learn a second language we should instead focus on improving our math and science skills which are amongst the worst in the world. Also spend time to train our blue collar workers in more technical skills so that when their jobs get sent overseas as they should in a capitalist economy they will prosper. As far as spanking I will say this, I was spanked and spanked and the beaten and guess what? It was no big deal it did not dissuade me from doing anything that I chose. What finally worked was my father communicating to me as a man and reasoning with me. The best tool for raising a child is an interested and invested parent.

By the way I am not a liberal or conservative. I make up my own damn mind and dont follow party politics. I would consider myself a republican if not for the religious element which has infected that party. Would love to hear your thoughts.

I think I said my piece in the first post, and I stand by it today. I don'tWANT a "global president", and I sure as HELL don't want a president who limp-wrists his way through apologies for this country.

We may not do things right all the time. But the constant influx of people streaming across the borders for the past 200 years tells me we're doing a hell of a lot RIGHT.

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I would consider myself a republican if not for the religious element which has infected that party.

You and me both, pal.

Hell, I actually REGISTERED DEMOCRAT this year. If you'd told me in 1999 that I would be a registered Democrat in 2008, I would have laughed myself into a seizure. That's how much the GOP has changed, although obviously that change has been in the works since Falwell and the "Moral Majority" twisted the character of the Republican Party in the 1970s.