Nissan Silvia S15 Spec R or Nissan R32 GT-R

[Unstroked]

If this is in the wrong section I am sorry. I figure if I were to post this in a 240/Silvia or Skyline section I would get a byes response. I am looking to buy either a S15 Spec R or a R32 GT-R from Kaizo Industries Unibody. I really like both cars, but one is 6 to 10 years older then the other one. The car is only going to be a PCH (Pacific Coast Highway for the none Southern California peps) weekend driver. I am leaning towards the S15 strongly, but wouldn't mind the communities thoughts. So what do you guys think?

[Loki]

Can you even obtain a legal R32?

[redtop91]

Can you even obtain a legal Spec R? But since Kaizo sells them as kit cars (IIRC) you can register it as a kit car rather than a full on vehicle and get it registered. I have no clue on whether or not that is even entirely legal but as far as the question goes R32 GTR hands down.

[Unstroked]

The car would be one of Kaizo Industries kit cars. It's a real R32 that is remanufactured through Kaizo to meet DOT regulations. However it is sold drive-train delete and I would have to obtain a motor somewhere else. That is not a huge problem.

There website is http://www.kaizoindustries.com

[Red coupe]

there were a very small few that were legalized by motox before they got caught that remained legal weren't there?

The car will either be illegal, and every time you drive it you will risk having it taken from you....or it will be crazy expensive.

Either way what a totally huge waste of money. Buy something sold here that will have more performance, be legal to drive, and cheaper.

The car would be one of Kaizo Industries kit cars. It's a real R32 that is remanufactured through Kaizo to meet DOT regulations. However it is sold drive-train delete and I would have to obtain a motor somewhere else. That is not a huge problem.

There website is http://www.kaizoindustries.com

This probably isn't true...There are a lot of people who will get you a car, but having it completely legal is a whole nother issue. Make sure you read A LOT before you buy something

[Unstroked]

I have been reading a lot lately. Heck, even Edmunds.com has a write up on Kaizo Industries.

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...05699

[Red coupe]

I have been reading a lot lately. Heck, even Edmunds.com has a write up on Kaizo Industries.

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...05699

That article never once says that he will give you a car that can be legal driven on the streets? Before anything else realize that you couldn't legally have an RB or SR in it either.

That article says he ships you just a body, because bodies are un regulated and viewed officially as a "part"

The article also says that The owner purposefully distances himself from anything to do with the car past an empty body to keep his buisness legal.Quote »"I intentionally distance myself from downstream," says Alison. And that's likely the best way to ensure that everything remains legal[/quote]He is talking about everything regarding the importation of bodies.

Quote »Of course "most" states is not the same as "all," and the intricacies of every state vary. Some states, somewhere between 10 and 15, are notoriously easy to get a registration for practically anything in. Others, like California, have reputations that may be more daunting than the reality (though showing up around 5 a.m. at a DMV office on January 2 to get one of the new year's allotment of 500 special construction exemptions for the Golden State is an adventure).[/quote]This states that you are on your own to try and pass the car off as a kit car. This line is stating that even if you manage to convice everyone to let you go ahead it is incredibly difficult to get a permit for even the most legitimate of kit cars.

In the end you are STARTING OFF AT $30k for a car that is used, and cannot move under its own power, after a few more thousand dollars you will have a car with a drive train, and after a ton of paper work, hoping, and more registration fees you will have a stock used car that would sell in any other part of the world for 5 grand.

[redtop91]

I vote you should just wait a few years for the R32 to become legalized. Then you can buy one straight from JDM land and drive it home from the dock.

[notslow]

I vote you should just wait a few years for the R32 to become legalized. Then you can buy one straight from JDM land and drive it home from the dock.

Way too much hassle man. Just because we as North American import enthusiasts see the car as worth 20K doesn't mean thats the actual value. What if you cant register it .... ssssoooo much money, time, and effort lost.

[Loki]

Are they really just 5k in Japan? And why does the US have such a large stick up its *** about imported vehicles? I thought we didn't give a rat's behind about emissions control and safety. And even if we did, said car is safe in its country of origin, shouldn't that be enough? Bureaucrats. I swears...

[Red coupe]

Are they really just 5k in Japan? And why does the US have such a large stick up its *** about imported vehicles? I thought we didn't give a rat's behind about emissions control and safety. And even if we did, said car is safe in its country of origin, shouldn't that be enough? Bureaucrats. I swears...

dude what, USA cares quite a bit about emissions and safety, and this guy is from california no less.

If its good enough in the original country its good enough here? I'm not against this vehicle in particular but that as a blanket statement is really really dumb.

[Joe]

Are they really just 5k in Japan? And why does the US have such a large stick up its *** about imported vehicles? I thought we didn't give a rat's behind about emissions control and safety. And even if we did, said car is safe in its country of origin, shouldn't that be enough? Bureaucrats. I swears...

HAH no.

the US has some of the most stringent safety requirements in the world along side of europe. they dont allow the importation of skylines because they were never sold here, they never did any safety testing on them here, and they hever had any emissions regulations.

the us government doesnt give a flying **** if you want an uber tight JDM skyline for your daily driver. they want to provide safe cars for its citizens and while i think the skyline should have been sold here, the bottom line is it ever was and therefore never will be legal here without backdooring it and doing a bunch of BS that still doesnt make it LEGAL.

the EPA has VERY strict emissions laws and especially safety laws now.

[redtop91]

And even if we did, said car is safe in its country of origin, shouldn't that be enough? Bureaucrats. I swears...

Good enough for Mogadishu, good enough for me:

[ERIC s.-14]

Ok this is going to be the next big thing, better than sr swap. The roof mounted machine-gun turret for your 240. sr powered who gives a sht I got a 50cal. turret on my zenki, its guerrilla rebellion thyte yo.

[Dittoz7]

But Think About It. By The Time We Get To Import Them, How Many Would Be Left?, And How Many Could You Find Stock

[Unstroked]

LOL... The greatest thing about America is that I can spend my money how I please. I am not about to wait for a S15 to be 25 years old. I don't know about you all, but I have seen a lot of S15's being wrecked in Japanese Drift Video's and on Youtube. I want one while I can still find a good one in near stock condition. Could I be taking risk buying a Kaizo Unibody? Yes, I could... But its my money. I have seen their R34's around and know of a guy that just bought one of there already completed R34's. I am still going to consider either one, I was just wanting to know which one of the two cars the community would buy. I really was not looking to get the legal mumbo jumbo about it can't be smogged, its not federally legal, blah blah blah... So take a vote... LOL...

[Red coupe]

Well you asked our opinion....many of us are of the opinion that its not worth $35k for an old nissan that isn't street legal and wont be nearly as fast as anything worth half as much.

[Dittoz7]

Just Make It A "Track Only" Car.

[Joe]

Just Make It A "Track Only" Car.

**** son! whats the point of having a madd tiiite JDM car if you cant drive it on the streetz yo!

[Red coupe]

Just Make It A "Track Only" Car.

Track cars are the kinda thing you buy for performance?

Not that it wouldn't be decent but for $30k+ a 240 would DESTROY a stockish skyline.

[Dittoz7]

I Meant The Track Only Cars That Drive Everywhere But The Track.



30k On A 240sx

[themadscientist]

R32 GT-Rs are still about 9K on average, S15s more than that.

[Red coupe]

R32 GT-Rs are still about 9K on average, S15s more than that.

pffft you don't know.

ok still, 4x the cost of the car just so he can have one here.

[Dittoz7]

Jdm Tytness Comes At A Price.

[themadscientist]

pffft you don't know.

ok still, 4x the cost of the car just so he can have one here.

for those curious here is a site like auto trader you can check domestic prices for the cars you fap to.http://www.goo-net.com/used/

Here are the Nissanshttp://www.goo-net.com/cgi-bin...=1015

This means Skylineスカイライン

This means Silviaシルビア

Enjoy

[Red coupe]

Seriously though: Now how much for one with no drivetrain?

Its just a terrible, terrible, terrible deal. They are both cool cars, and I get that your buy exclusivity, ect.... But is it really worth paying 10X the actual value of the car?

You could make a 240 look like one for 10k(or look like anything else you want), and have it damn quick and street legal for 15.

For like 25 you could buy an S13, refresh everything, legally swap a V8, and have whatever a totally unique flashy car that would absolutely destroy what ever skyline you would import. And it wouldn't really be to much more work/time.

[danielekfuj]

for those curious here is a site like auto trader you can check domestic prices for the cars you fap to.http://www.goo-net.com/used/

Here are the Nissanshttp://www.goo-net.com/cgi-bin...=1015

This means Skylineスカイライン

This means Silviaシルビア

Enjoy

i dont read japapanese and how much is the currency conversion?

[themadscientist]

Open up Google, where you normally type "gay p0rn" type "currency converter"

[danielekfuj]

gotcha.

[JustinStrife]

Open up Google, where you normally type "gay p0rn" type "currency converter"